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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday December 7th
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 12-07-2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie

http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/12/the_military_and_the.php

The Military and The Media

The divide grows

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: I've completed the first leg of the journey to Iraq, after having moved through Dubai, Kuwait and Baghdad. I am now at Camp Fallujah. While in Fallujah, I'll embed with a Marine Police Transition Team (PTT) and also meet with the Civil Affairs Group. The next stop will be Ramadi.

The trip - from my front door to Fallujah - took 3 ½ days, accounting for the 8 hour time shift between the East Coast and Iraq. This is remarkable considering Iraq is a war zone. I spent all of 35 minutes in the Green Zone getting my ID badge and another two hours waiting for a flight to Fallujah. Most of the time was spent waiting at military airbases, trying to catch that next flight out on a plane or helicopter.

During my movement to Fallujah, I was on 3 bases and one camp: At Ali Al Salem (Kuwait), BIAP (Baghdad International Airport), Camp Stryker, and LZ Washington (inside the Green Zone).

The travel is long, and it can be boring if you let it get to you. But you're surrounded by a bunch of soldiers, Marines and contractors that are also traveling, many of them alone. They are either coming back from or going on leave, or moving into or out of the region. Most of them are quite friendly and happy to strike up a conversation. This is an interesting time to speak to them, because they are not as engrossed in the daily grind of Iraq as they are when I see them while I'm embedded. Here is a brief overview of some of the discussions I had with those I met while shuttling around Kuwait and Iraq.

Ali Al Salem:

At the transient tent (where you get to sleep and store your gear while waiting), I spoke to an Explosive Ordinance and Demolitions (EOD) contractor. These are the guys that blow up the leftover explosives and munitions from the Saddam era. He told me about how the media isn't telling the full story about the nature of the enemy, and specifically complained about the manipulation and distortion of the Kay report. He said he's run across bunkers and the equipment and chemical precursors to WMD buried in the deserts of western Iraq.

During a smoke break, an Army private discussed his time in Balad. He said mortars (which are blind-fired) are the greatest threat his unit faces. Not IEDs, I asked? Nope. While waiting to board the flight to BIAP, a Marine Major complained about how the progress in western Iraq has virtually gone unnoticed, and was furious over the characterization of the Devlin report on Anbar province. I gave him my card.

BIAP:

I had the pleasure being the only person on the shuttle bus from BIAP to Camp Stryker, and the driver, an Army specialist, struck up a conversation with me. I needed a SIM chip for my cell phone so I could call the States and in Iraq, so he took me across the base on some extremely bumpy roads looking for a place that sold them. During the drive, he explained his forays into Sadr City, how the residents were largely hostile to U.S. forces, and some engagements he's encountered. Yet he spoke admirably of the Iraqi people. He said they were hard working and willing to fight, and hoped we wouldn't abandon the Iraqi people.

We couldn't find an open store that sold the SIM chip, so he kindly offered to give me his as he knew I was desperate. I paid him for the card and a little extra to call home. He said he'll get a new card tomorrow.

Camp Stryker:

While waiting to catch the flight to the Green Zone, I spoke to two Army captains, one who works in Civil Affairs, the other with the Military Transition Teams. Both explained how the situation could look very different based on your job, but that the Iraqi police and Army were making real progress. They said the Iraqis' skills ranged from poor to excellent, but they always saw improvement.

I also overheard an Army specialist sitting behind me curse the media (and I mean curse), saying they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Iraq. I talked to him, and explained I'm considered a reporter, and that I won't argue with his points. I made him uncomfortable. Had he known I was 'the press' I think he would have kept it to himself.

LZ Washington:

While waiting to manifest on the flight to Fallujah, CNN played a news segment of President Bush announcing there would be no “graceful exit” from Iraq, and that we'd stay until the mission was complete. Two sergeants in the room cheered. Loudly. They then scoffed at the reports from Baghdad, and jeered the balcony reporting.

In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

During each conversation, I was left in the awkward situation of having to explain that while, yes, I am wearing a press badge, I'm not 'one of them.' I used descriptions like 'independent journalist' or 'blogger' in an attempt to separate myself from the pack.

What a terrible situation to be in, having to defend yourself because of your profession. I've always said that the hardest thing about embedding (besides leaving my family) is wearing the badge that says 'PRESS.' That hasn't changed. I hide the badge whenever I can get away with it.

This isn't the first time I encountered this sentiment from the troops. I experienced this attitude from the Marines while I was in western Iraq last year, and the soldiers in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan also expressed frustration with the media's presentation of the war.

Perhaps this tension between the media and the military is nothing new. But it appalls me none the less.


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KEYWORDS: apocalypto; arealconservative; kingoftalkers; rushlimbaugh; talkradio
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To: mewzilla

I bet it was Feingold.


51 posted on 12/07/2006 9:18:37 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

I guess I HAVE to see Apocalypto now.


52 posted on 12/07/2006 9:18:50 AM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Chuck54

I wonder if Rush is getting a kickback for talking about it on the air.


53 posted on 12/07/2006 9:20:22 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: corlorde

lol


54 posted on 12/07/2006 9:20:23 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: Enterprise
I was going to wait for it on DVD, but may end up seeing it at the theater.
55 posted on 12/07/2006 9:20:30 AM PST by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: Chuck54

Nothing more boring than sitting through a movie,

except someone telling you about a movie.

I can click through channels all day,

but since 'Red October', won't sit through a theater movie.

Harry Potter was the only good thing on a free HBO week-end.


56 posted on 12/07/2006 9:20:43 AM PST by Son House
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To: rottndog

I like "Uptight" as a bumper!


57 posted on 12/07/2006 9:21:42 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: UKRaddell

Katie Couric is the second coming of dog crap.


58 posted on 12/07/2006 9:22:13 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: mewzilla

Quatey al-Queric belongs in the ratings cellar.


59 posted on 12/07/2006 9:23:02 AM PST by hattend (Carpe Macaca)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Do you happen to have a picture of a "perky turd"?


60 posted on 12/07/2006 9:23:16 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Simpson: 'Beware the 100 percenters'

Tell it to Churchill and FDR, Senator.

61 posted on 12/07/2006 9:23:40 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: All
Day of Infamy speech.
62 posted on 12/07/2006 9:23:57 AM PST by sono (Ted Nugent For UN Ambassador)
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To: hattend

I remember December 7th every year. It happens to be my birthday (1954)! WooHoo!


63 posted on 12/07/2006 9:24:04 AM PST by hattend (Carpe Macaca)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I had my first run-in with Her Perkiness the other night.
I woke up about 4.30am to find one of the news channels over here shows her then.
I've seen worse, but I wouldn't kick Condi out of bed to get to her.


64 posted on 12/07/2006 9:25:09 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MNJohnnie

Got work to do today, so chalk me up to listening mode only.

"The military doesn't like the media"? LOL

S squared, D squared....


65 posted on 12/07/2006 9:25:16 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (Merry Christmas. (Refer complaints about being offended to your Chaplain...or whatever.))
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To: hattend

Happy Birthday


66 posted on 12/07/2006 9:25:28 AM PST by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

67 posted on 12/07/2006 9:25:41 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: hattend
Been there, done that...


REMEMBER ALWAYS!!!
68 posted on 12/07/2006 9:25:54 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: hattend

Your the same age as my Mother.


69 posted on 12/07/2006 9:26:23 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: UKRaddell

Did you barf?


70 posted on 12/07/2006 9:26:54 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Son House

You ain't married, are you?

One of the things you do to keep the Mrs. happy.


71 posted on 12/07/2006 9:26:54 AM PST by Springman
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The perky one was doomed from the start she was trying to go from editorial style to quasi- straight news and never did make the trip.
72 posted on 12/07/2006 9:26:59 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: rottndog

The Pearl Harbor attack is the ultimate argument against "Negotiating with the Enemy."


73 posted on 12/07/2006 9:27:01 AM PST by sono (Ted Nugent For UN Ambassador)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

phwewwwwww....I saw "Katie" and "turd", and I thought you were going to show us her colon...


74 posted on 12/07/2006 9:27:04 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog

Might be.

I bet Allen Brothers pays him very well. I would think Omaha Steaks would make him a counter offer.

:)


75 posted on 12/07/2006 9:27:16 AM PST by Chuck54 (The election is over, get your chin out of your soup and work on '08!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I take it back; I HAVEN'T seen worse.


76 posted on 12/07/2006 9:27:21 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: hattend

77 posted on 12/07/2006 9:27:46 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Ask and you shall receive.

Need to me more careful what I ask for.

78 posted on 12/07/2006 9:27:52 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: rottndog

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.


79 posted on 12/07/2006 9:28:02 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Did you barf?

Yes, but at the time, I put it down to the ten pints of Guinness and dubious Kebab!


80 posted on 12/07/2006 9:28:30 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Katie Couric’s Gender Bias: Female Correspondents Getting 40 Percent Less Airtime

So much for feminism, eh? Not all sisters are created equal.

81 posted on 12/07/2006 9:28:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: All

Baker has never hidden his disdain for Israel.


82 posted on 12/07/2006 9:28:47 AM PST by sono (Ted Nugent For UN Ambassador)
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To: sono

I love this song.


83 posted on 12/07/2006 9:29:23 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: ChicagoConservative27

So, I'm old enough to be your father, then? LOL


84 posted on 12/07/2006 9:29:34 AM PST by hattend (Carpe Macaca)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is a GREAT song.....


85 posted on 12/07/2006 9:29:46 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: hattend

86 posted on 12/07/2006 9:29:50 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rottndog

Nice pic!


87 posted on 12/07/2006 9:30:31 AM PST by PogySailor (Media bias? What media bias)
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To: hattend

I was a little disappointed to see Tommy Franks last night on Hannity & Colmes praise the ISG for their "bi-partisanship," and basically agree with Alan's premise that this demonstrates "Bush's policy in Iraq is not working."


88 posted on 12/07/2006 9:30:41 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I'm fine thank you! Getting ready for the snow today.


89 posted on 12/07/2006 9:30:42 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Your you're the same age as my Mother.

I just HAD to do that. :)

90 posted on 12/07/2006 9:30:49 AM PST by Chuck54 (The election is over, get your chin out of your soup and work on '08!)
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To: Jake The Goose
Time for the U.S. to declare all out war on OIL !!!

I may be wrong but I believe that the President has been very vocal about the need to become oil independent both in his rhetoric and through funding, although I agree that a Manhattan-style Project is in order. I am pretty sure that during WWII, nobody but the workers knew about the Manhattan Project so maybe this is also the case here.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/06/20030625-6.html
91 posted on 12/07/2006 9:31:01 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: rottndog

They are left over old bags from the past. No new ideas! It is sickening.


92 posted on 12/07/2006 9:31:29 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat

How much snow?


93 posted on 12/07/2006 9:32:19 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Chuck54

I don't blame you. I'm bad at times.


94 posted on 12/07/2006 9:32:45 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rottndog
Rush had 12-odd friends over to watch the new Mel movie...served hors d'oeuvres and filet mignon, several wine selections. The women freaked out over the violence so they left and Rush put them in another room where they chatted while the men watched the film. Rush raved about it, bloody but good.

Rush declares December 6th as Baker/Hamilton ISQ Day...perhaps Google will decorate their home page next year...putting their faces in the 2 O's?
95 posted on 12/07/2006 9:33:01 AM PST by Miss Didi
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To: PogySailor
When the XO saw that he had a total conniption fit. One of the wrong radio masts was raised (was classified at the time), and he tried to get all the pics confiscated. Problem was the pic was already made into post cards and sent all over.
96 posted on 12/07/2006 9:33:02 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Oh just a dusting LOL


97 posted on 12/07/2006 9:34:34 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat
No shoveling for your hubby.
98 posted on 12/07/2006 9:35:30 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Springman

Nope, looking for a rich gal,

thinking I might be miserable, but live comfortably.


99 posted on 12/07/2006 9:35:46 AM PST by Son House
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To: Miss Didi
Rush declares December 6th as Baker/Hamilton ISQ Day...

The timing of this could not be more ironic--the day before the anniversary of the 2nd worst surprise attack on US soil in American history...
100 posted on 12/07/2006 9:37:08 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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