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7 (Bartenders) Test Radioactive at Bar Where Ex-Spy Met Russians
NY Times ^ | Dec 7, 2006 | By ALAN COWELL and STEVEN LEE MYERS

Posted on 12/07/2006 6:49:33 PM PST by jdm

LONDON, Dec. 7 — Seven bartenders at an upscale hotel in central London have tested positive for radioactive contamination, the British authorities said Thursday, raising new questions about the radiation poisoning death of Alexander V. Litvinenko, a former Russian agent.

In Moscow, Russia said it had opened its own criminal investigation into the death of Mr. Litvinenko, who was buried Thursday, two weeks after he died, in a private ceremony in London. Russian authorities also said a Russian businessman, Dmitri V. Kovtun, who was interviewed by British investigators in Moscow, was found to have signs of radioactive poisoning.

In London, attention swung back to the Pine Bar of the Mayfair Millennium Hotel, in Grosvenor Square, close to the American Embassy, where Mr. Litvinenko was reported to have met both Mr. Kovtun and another Russian contact, Andrei K. Lugovoi, on Nov. 1.

That was the day Mr. Litvinenko complained of feeling ill. He also ate at a sushi bar on the same day, although it is not clear which establishment he visited first. The exposure to the bartenders revived questions about exactly where Mr. Litvinenko had been poisoned, how he was poisoned and who else might have been contaminated.

The British health authorities said they would contact 250 people who called in after Mr. Litvinenko’s death to say they had been at the Pine Bar on Nov. 1 and would ask them to take a urine test for radioactive contamination.

Prof. Pat Troop, the chief executive of Britain’s Health Protection Agency, said all seven members of the bar staff tested had shown “a low level of contamination” that carried no short-term health risks but a “very small” long-range cancer risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: litvinenko; polonium210; putin; russia

1 posted on 12/07/2006 6:49:38 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

Maybe they just serve really, REALLLLLLLLLY strong drinks.


2 posted on 12/07/2006 6:53:38 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: jdm

And it's a wooden sign.

3 posted on 12/07/2006 6:56:01 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: jdm

"Tastes Great! Less Contanimated!"


4 posted on 12/07/2006 6:56:26 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: IronJack
The Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
5 posted on 12/07/2006 6:56:55 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: martin_fierro

That's funny-thanks.


6 posted on 12/07/2006 6:56:57 PM PST by unkus
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To: jdm

I remember a lady bartender long ago about whom everyone told me, "Stay away from her, she's radioactive." I should have listened to them.


7 posted on 12/07/2006 6:57:06 PM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: jdm

"He had that sort of glow about him..."


8 posted on 12/07/2006 6:58:00 PM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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To: IronJack

That's not what I meant when I said I like a hot bartender.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 6:58:40 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: jdm

So suppose a guy with 2 grams of this powder mixes it with 50 pounds of concrete, throws the mix in the back of a truck, and drives down I-80 from Sacramento to Oakland, turns south on 880 through San Jose, then turns north on 101 to San Francisco.

Nobody notices the dust fluffing out of the back of the truck. They get it on their cars, travel into neighborhoods, businesses, etc. Like that Sevin dust you put under the house and let the ants track it back into the nests...

Seems to me like the concept of a dirty bomb is obsolete.


10 posted on 12/07/2006 6:59:01 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: jdm
They must have been serving these.
11 posted on 12/07/2006 7:00:24 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: jdm

12 posted on 12/07/2006 7:00:29 PM PST by Silly (Still being... Silly)
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To: jdm

well better ck this out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1162751/posts


13 posted on 12/07/2006 7:00:42 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: jdm

Flaming Moe bump


14 posted on 12/07/2006 7:02:13 PM PST by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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To: jdm
Have they found the delivery mechanism yet?
Loaded cigarette lighter? Binaca breath spray?

It would be hard to find, alpha particles dont penetrate hardly anything.

Has SY made out a contamination map yet?

15 posted on 12/07/2006 7:03:47 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (When true genius appears, know him by this sign: all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.)
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To: jdm
It totally amazes me that NO one talks about the scary fact that this guy was a muslim, and he could possibly have been working on terrorist goals as described in the article below:

Trail of Polonium210, Jihad, suitcase nukes Spy Death by Nuclear Poisoning Tied to American Hiroshima

By Paul L. Williams Ph.D. & Lee Boyland Wednesday, December 6, 2006

The death of Alexander Litvinenko by radiological poisoning points to the possibility that the former Soviet spy may have been involved with Islamic terrorists in the preparation of tactical nuclear weapons for use in the jihad against the United States and its NATO allies. Litvenenko, a former KGB agent, died in London on November 23 after ingesting a microscopic amount of polonium-210.

In a deathbed statement, Litvinenko blamed Russian President Vladimir Putin for the poisoning--an accusation which the Kremlin has vehemently denied. The denial is fortified by the fact that polonium-210 is a very rare radiological substance that is man-made by bombarding Bismuth-209 with neutrons within a nuclear reactor. It is expensive to produce and difficult to handle.

When Russian officials resorted to nuclear poisoning in the past-- including the assassination of two Swiss intelligence officials who were engaged with Russia and South Africa in the nuclear black market--they relied on such readily available radiological substances as cesium-137 in salt form.

According to nuclear expert David Morgan, killing a spy or political dissident with a grain or two of polonium-210 is as ludicrous as shooting a rat with a howitzer.

Litvinenko, who was born an orthodox Christian, was a convert to Islam with close ties to the Chechen rebels. His last words consisted of his desire to be buried “according to Muslim tradition.”

In recent years, considerable attention has been paid to suitcase nukes that were developed by U.S. and Soviet forces during the Cold War. Reliable sources, including Hans Blix of the United Nation, have confirmed that bin Laden purchased several of these devices from the Chechen rebels in 1996. According to Sharif al-Masri and other al Qaeda operatives who have been taken into custody, several of these weapons have been forward deployed to the United States in preparation for al Qaeda’s next attack on American soil.

This brings us to the mysterious case of Litvinenko.

The neutron source or “triggers” of the suitcase nukes are composed of beryllium-9 and polonium-210. When these two elements are combined, the alpha particle is absorbed by the nucleus of the beryllium causing it to decay by emitting a neutron. Such “triggers” were a feature of early nuclear weapons in the U.S. and Soviet stockpiles.

Polonium-210 has a half-life of 138 days, necessitating the replacement of the triggers every six months. For this reason, the suitcase nukes are far from maintenance-free. In addition, the nuclear core of these devices emit a temperature in excess of one hundred degrees Fahrenheit - - further exposing the weapons to oxidation and rust. Small wonder that al Qaeda operatives including Adnan el-Shukrijumah, who are spearheading “the American Hiroshima” have received extensive training in nuclear technology.

Polonium-beryllium triggers are packaged in foil packs about the size of a package of sugar on a restaurant table. When the twin foil packages are crushed, the elements mix and the neutrons are emitted. A courier transporting nuclear triggers could have had a mishap causing the packages to rupture and a trail of contamination to occur.

Polonium-210 is a fine powder, easily aerosolized. Litvinenko could have inhaled the powder, or had a grain or two on his fingers when he ate the sushi.
16 posted on 12/07/2006 7:06:22 PM PST by John Frum
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To: jdm

They've been murdered.

17 posted on 12/07/2006 7:11:56 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: jdm

Damn fruit drinks!

18 posted on 12/07/2006 7:18:29 PM PST by JOE6PAK (blithering intellectual.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

"...Loaded cigarette lighter?"

More likely loaded cigarettes!


19 posted on 12/07/2006 7:19:08 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: John Frum

I agree with you. This is very scary business. With lunatics like Pelosi, the self-proclaimed leader of the Free World, we're in even deeper doo doo. Wacko Pelosi and her Liberal cohorts want to make nice with the terrorists and have a hug fest. We're all sitting ducks, IMO.


20 posted on 12/07/2006 7:22:15 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: al baby

LOL. I missed that one the first time around. Glad you're archiving the classics. :O)


21 posted on 12/07/2006 7:22:44 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

"New Polonium Zero contains no calories!"
22 posted on 12/07/2006 7:35:52 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: jdm
I normally get Irish Car Bombs when I'm feeling wild. I gotta try that. Bartender, I'll have a Polonium Iced Tea! Top Shelf even.
23 posted on 12/07/2006 7:39:21 PM PST by KoRn
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To: jdm
the Pine Bar of the Mayfair Millennium Hotel

I have read some hot, glowing reviews of the place! Should you wish to visit, you can book your trip through this agency, by the way:


24 posted on 12/07/2006 7:39:32 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: Paloma_55
EX-SPY like EX-MARINE.

No such thing.

Semper Fi

25 posted on 12/07/2006 7:40:30 PM PST by JOE6PAK (blithering intellectual.)
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To: Paloma_55

Wow! "Loose Lips Sink Ships" on that one! Of course, you would make a great anti-terror guy. To beat them, one needs to be able to think like them as far as strategies are concerned.


26 posted on 12/07/2006 7:43:46 PM PST by KoRn
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To: jdm

I enjoy visiting "hot spots", but this is ridiculous.


27 posted on 12/07/2006 7:49:43 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: John Frum

Anything is possible at this point in time, but one thing is probable, Russia is heading towards civil war and one side has already deployed a Nuclear Weapon Trigger.


28 posted on 12/07/2006 8:38:41 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: jdm
...all seven members of the bar staff tested had shown “a low level of contamination” that carried no short-term health risks but a “very small” long-range cancer risk.

Not good. That means others may have been exposed and they may also have a 'very small' cancer risk. I can see the bartender that worked the table or that served the drinks getting exposed, but all seven members of the bar staff ? Someone must have been radiating like crazy.

29 posted on 12/07/2006 8:44:46 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: John Frum
I picture it in a pill bottle....lying with his pills. He pops a simple pill, poisons himself (knowingly) leaving loose residue behind which would supposidly not kill anyone else. He disposes of the pill bottle.

I'm told this stuff "creeps". How fast and what would attract it??

Motive?? Demonstrating how the stuff works. In Muslim talk, he's a willing martyr. Most Chechans are Sunni muslims. (I believe the same sect as Usama).

This tale bears many similarities to the Anthrax scenario which I still believe was courtesy of Saddam.

30 posted on 12/08/2006 7:09:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: jdm

31 posted on 12/08/2006 7:15:16 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: KoRn

I would worry about giving them ideas if these weren't such obvious ideas.


32 posted on 12/08/2006 9:09:48 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: justa-hairyape

If contaminated drink/food spilled on the table, the waiter would clean it up with a dishcloth or bar towel. This contaminated bar towel could then have been used to wipe a common area/item used by all the staff. Or the towel might have lain around throughout a shift and been used by everybody. A bar towel is more likely to sit around exposing more people versus a glass/plate which would have been washed after one use. Transfer by ingestion could happen after using a towel, then smoking a cigarette (on the filter), or licking fingers to turn a page in a paper or some other means. Since none of the sushi bar employees have tested positive, and all seven of the Millineum bar have, sounds like the poisoning/accident happened here. Still not sure how Scaramella got the transfer later unless some was spilled on Litvenko's clothing or something he carried with him (briefcase?). Maybe he was sweating it by then?

Wonder if any of the other patrons to the bar on Nov. 1 have been tested.


33 posted on 12/08/2006 10:15:08 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Paloma_55

How much is two grams? Sounds like too much to carry around.


34 posted on 12/08/2006 10:17:56 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: RightWhale

1 ounce = approxiamately 28 grams.

So 2 grams would be less than a packet of sugar or about the same.


35 posted on 12/08/2006 10:27:39 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: IronJack; All

...so this nuclear waste smuggler walks into a bar with a Priest, a Minister and a Rabbi, and SEVEN bartenders go over to them, and day,....................
(Please place punchline here)

:~)


36 posted on 12/08/2006 10:29:34 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping some very nice Golan Heights Cabernet..)
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To: Gabz

That is probably enough to burn right through a jacket pocket. What dose did Litvenenko get? Micrograms?


37 posted on 12/08/2006 10:30:12 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: rawcatslyentist; All
Yes, but he is waiting to deliver it and his new indictment at a luncheon being held for Noam Chomsky and George Soros, at the CFR. I understand he will name Israel specifically and the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSS generally as the culprits.
38 posted on 12/08/2006 10:35:16 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping some very nice Golan Heights Cabernet..)
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To: RightWhale

I have absolutely no idea. I just happened to notice your question and realized I wasn't real sure of the answer, so decided to look it up.........it was easy since I happened to hav had a cookbook out and just checked the conversion chart!!!


39 posted on 12/08/2006 10:36:36 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Gabz

I use my powder scale. It has grains and ounces. The grain is based on a millet seed, I believe, or some other minimally small seed. A gram is one of those foreign measures.


40 posted on 12/08/2006 10:40:37 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: RightWhale

LOL on the foreign measures! Anytime I come across a recipe with them, I skip to the next one no matter how good it looks because I can't be bothered with messing around wiht the conversions!


41 posted on 12/08/2006 10:49:25 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Gideon Reader

So the spy says he was poisoned, but in actuality, he was selling the Polonium to Islamic terrorists. Like the dufus he was, he actually screwed up and exposed himself to it. Then, his buddies got exposed.

Once it became clear he was dying, he blamed Putin who he hates for crushing the Chechnyan rebellion..composed of Islamic fascist terrorists.

Dunno... not much of a punch line, but it has a punch!


42 posted on 12/08/2006 12:45:20 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Paloma_55

Problem with that theory is he was not a 'dufus'. He was ex-KGB. They do not hire 'dufuses'. The 7 bartenders being contaminated rules Scaramella completely out of the picture. On the day he was poisoned, Litveninko visited with Scaramella who just happened to have a hit list stating a group of Russian agents/ex-agents (called Dignity and Honor) had put Litveninko and Scaramella on a hit list. Scaramella thought he was implicated because he knew something about the fact that prominent Italian Leftist politicians were double agents working for Russia. Litveninko may have already been poisoned while he was reading that email hit list. Imagine the odds of that being just happenstance.


43 posted on 12/08/2006 2:46:48 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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