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Adopt our values or stay away, says Blair
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 09/12/2006 | Philip Johnston

Posted on 12/09/2006 12:29:11 AM PST by ScaniaBoy

Tony Blair formally declared Britain's multicultural experiment over yesterday as he told immigrants they had ''a duty" to integrate with the mainstream of society.

In a speech that overturned more than three decades of Labour support for the idea, he set out a series of requirements that were now expected from ethnic minority groups if they wished to call themselves British.

These included "equality of respect" - especially better treatment of women by Muslim men - allegiance to the rule of law and a command of English.

If outsiders wishing to settle in Britain were not prepared to conform to the virtues of tolerance then they should stay away. He added: "Conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed.

"If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us. The right to be different. The duty to integrate. That is what being British means."

Mr Blair's volte face - just eight years ago he championed multiculturalism - was the culmination of a long Labour retreat from the cause. In recent weeks, Jack Straw, Ruth Kelly, John Reid and Gordon Brown have all played their part in a concerted revision of the Cabinet's stand which began in earnest after the July 7 suicide bombings in London last year.

Mr Blair, speaking in Downing Street, said the diversity of cultures in Britain should still be celebrated but the tone of his speech was against the ideology that became known as multiculturalism.

"The right to be in a multicultural society was always implicitly balanced by a duty to integrate, to be part of Britain, to be British and Asian, British and black, British and white," he said

The bombings had thrown the whole concept of a multicultural Britain "into sharp relief" and highlighted the divisions in society. While it was right that people should enjoy their own cultures, they should do so under a single set of overarching values.

"When it comes to our essential values, the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage — then that is where we come together, it is what gives us what we hold in common; it is what givesright to call ourselves British," said Mr Blair.

"At that point no distinctive culture or religion supercedes our duty to be part of an integrated United Kingdom."


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In recent weeks, Jack Straw, Ruth Kelly, John Reid and Gordon Brown have all played their part in a concerted revision of the Cabinet's stand

They were all radical student leftists. They were handed the levers of the machinery of government and given a chance to enact the politics of their dreams. Now when they are starting to see the chaos they've created they start to backtrak. Hopefully it is not too late, but the mayhem New Labour (in conjunction with the old Tories of the John Major wing) has created in Britain will take a long long time to rectify.

And the man to do it is not the "Boy King" Cameron of the New Tory party.

Britain, just like most Western countries has a terrible lack of good leaders. At the moment the only two countries that actually have a politician of class leading their countries are Australia and Canada (good old Anglosphere).

(I still haven't given up on President Bush, but he appears to have been totally winged after the last election. Waiting for the fightback!)

1 posted on 12/09/2006 12:29:14 AM PST by ScaniaBoy
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To: MadIvan; Mrs Ivan

Ping!

(Hiding behind my desk in expectation of a proper thrashing!)

:-)


2 posted on 12/09/2006 12:31:25 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

"The era of stupid government is over."


3 posted on 12/09/2006 12:32:17 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: ScaniaBoy
The Labour Party has now occupied territory once associated with The Tories. Tony Blair has repudiated the leftist leitmotif of multiculturalism in favor of national patriotism.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

4 posted on 12/09/2006 12:32:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The consensus is the British don't like being bombed.
5 posted on 12/09/2006 12:34:07 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: ScaniaBoy
The Tories have swung so far to the left that I can't see why voters would want to bring them back. I really like where Blair is now heading.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

6 posted on 12/09/2006 12:34:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Three Cheers For The Anglosphere! Tony Blair sounds a good deal like Australia's John Howard. And there's Canada's Stephen Harper. I'd say the British Empire is roaring back to life just as we are about to enter a new Dark Age.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

7 posted on 12/09/2006 12:37:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Adopt our values or stay away, says Blair

Adopt our values or die, says Islam

8 posted on 12/09/2006 12:38:56 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: goldstategop
I really like where Blair is now heading.

Into retirement?

:-)

OK, joking apart, I agree, but it is just too bad that it takes a man some 60 years to grow up and finally see the world as it is - especially as he happens to have been leading a great nation for the last 10 years.

9 posted on 12/09/2006 12:39:57 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Yep. Too bad the American Left still doesn't grasp what is at stake - they're still busy deconstructing America's national identity on the one hand and reviling patriotism on the other hand.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

10 posted on 12/09/2006 12:40:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ScaniaBoy
(I still haven't given up on President Bush, but he appears to have been totally winged after the last election...)

It has been under-remarked upon, or even unremarked upon, but our President has been frighteningly weak since the election. If he doesn't step up, and soon, he'll get rolled for the next two years to the detriment of all, especially us.

11 posted on 12/09/2006 1:01:25 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: ScaniaBoy
"Tony Blair formally declared Britain's multicultural experiment over yesterday as he told immigrants they had ''a duty" to integrate with the mainstream of society."

Alright dammit, if Tony freaking Blair has seen the light on assimilation why are some Americans still hazy on the concept?

12 posted on 12/09/2006 1:15:21 AM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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Saving to read in the morning. If it's still here, GREAT! If not I'm have a good dream and don't want it interrupted.


13 posted on 12/09/2006 1:15:36 AM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Meanwhile, Bush protested, saying that Britain needed guest terrorists and that the Muslim immiagrants were only doing the carrying out of Allah's will that the British didn't want to.


14 posted on 12/09/2006 1:28:01 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: ScaniaBoy; snugs

Reading this makes me feel warm inside!


15 posted on 12/09/2006 1:28:21 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: ScaniaBoy

"They were all radical student leftists. They were handed the levers of the machinery of government and given a chance to enact the politics of their dreams. Now when they are starting to see the chaos they've created they start to backtrak. Hopefully it is not too late, but the mayhem New Labour (in conjunction with the old Tories of the John Major wing) has created in Britain will take a long long time to rectify."

You got it; hope you are wrong about the long time thing


16 posted on 12/09/2006 1:39:38 AM PST by Mac1 (=)
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To: ScaniaBoy

this is not the first thread posted on this subject; but there seems to be a dearth of British posters


17 posted on 12/09/2006 1:42:49 AM PST by Mac1 (=)
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To: ScaniaBoy
This is a most profound issue, which some conservatives, many in FR, refuse to see: our president is neither a principled nor an insightful man. God bless him ... he is just a human being like the rest of us ... he has good intentions. But he is a man, exactly like his father, who has not had, nor has, the integrity and character to be president.

The most telling fact of his presidency was the nomination of Harriet Miers. There is no possible way, none whatsoever, that her nomination could have been made except by a shallow man, a man who skimmed his way thru life. No doubt a good person, Miers was of the ilk, so lacking in integrity and intelligence, that she did not care to take into consideration that she did not qualify for the job.

Conservatives are the anchor of this country. Or they ought to be. But the support of many conservatives of George Bush is witless; in my opinion, they defend him because of his enemies, and not because he deserves defending. That is illogical.

Islam is the antithesis of the liberty, rationality, and humanity of American conservatism, whatever variety. Yet the President is either a liar, or completely fails to grasp the fact. Islam is not "Islamism," nor is it "Isloamo-fascism". It is islam, a belief system so primitive and so barbaric, that most western minds refuse to consider that it actually exists.

The most prominent dunce about islam is the President. He has neither the insight nor the skill to deal with it.

The worship of mohammed is a bizarre and surreal fact of life. It is too obvious of a fact for this President, a skimmer, to notice.

18 posted on 12/09/2006 1:51:55 AM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: goldstategop
I'd say the British Empire is roaring back to life

You mean that thing we rebelled against?
19 posted on 12/09/2006 1:54:58 AM PST by Terpfen ("Conservatives" who sat at home cost us the War on Terror, SCOTUS, and economic success.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Yep. Sorry too about bush. He was winged and is now being field-dressed to be trussed up for roasting.


20 posted on 12/09/2006 3:42:33 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Sounds like he read "Londonistan" and got the wake-up call


21 posted on 12/09/2006 4:23:12 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: ScaniaBoy

America, take note.


22 posted on 12/09/2006 4:38:54 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: garylmoore

Yes: Wouldnt it be great if Bush opened his eyes.


23 posted on 12/09/2006 4:48:36 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"I really like where Blair is now heading.

Into retirement?"

Right. And since he's not going to be very busy soon, do you think we could borrow him for a while?

24 posted on 12/09/2006 4:53:33 AM PST by Reo
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To: ScaniaBoy

Thanks for the compliment on our Conservative PM Harper...a man of good character and integrity we had the good sense to elect to clean house after years of publicly scandalous Liberal govt corruption [including Liberal ties to a NY Mafia crime family].


25 posted on 12/09/2006 5:02:19 AM PST by FYREDEUS (FYREDEUS)
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To: goldstategop

The anglosphere is the present torchbearer for Western Civilization since we inherited that from the French [first the British Empire/Commonwealth, then and still America, who knows maybe someday it will be India] - somehow the culture that arose out of the 'Angle Isle' with its deep rooted English Common Law heritage has contained the right values to preserve Human Liberty on this Earth for centuries; may it do so for enough longer for Humanity to move into space, where we will become Free forever...


26 posted on 12/09/2006 5:09:15 AM PST by FYREDEUS (FYREDEUS)
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To: ScaniaBoy
(I still haven't given up on President Bush, but he appears to have been totally winged after the last election. Waiting for the fightback!)

Bush has not done the best job of convincing the American public that what we did in Iraq was the right thing. And, of course he is hampered by the media, but so have been all recent Presidents of the Republican stripe. In the beginning the Catholic Church came out against the war in Iraq and I understand that position much better now than I did then. I think the Church had a better understanding than our politicians of what would happen in that country. We were not prepared for what we found...or didn't seem to find (weapons of mass destruction).

Most people in this country are tired of being there and I think two things have worked against the President. We have not had another attack from terrorists (people are rather forgetful), and his administration has not done enough to put forth the evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Sorry to say but so many of us on this side of the pond have a gamers attitude about conflict. We think that if we have just the right kind of weapon or right level of power we should be able to beat the foe pretty quickly. We waltzed into Iraq and thought the rest of the conflict was going to be just as easy as toppling Saddam's statue.

27 posted on 12/09/2006 5:11:15 AM PST by Diva
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To: sgtbono2002

Yes: Wouldnt it be great if Bush opened his eyes

He sees perfectly clear, his hands are tied, especially now.


28 posted on 12/09/2006 5:15:49 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Bush and his team have done an absolutely excellent job of positioning him as a conservative, when on critical issues he is nothing of the kind. They deploy the usual wedge issues (gay marriage, desecration of the flag constitutional amendment) to deflect attention away from his liberal positions on budget deficits and immigration.

When 9/11 happened, Bush quickly declared war, and his poll numbers shot upwards (deservedly so). But his conduct of the war has been disgraceful. Part of that was simple incompetence, we now know they didn't have a plan for the occupation of Iraq. But much of that is timidity, every time we begin operations against people like al Sadr, we don't finish them. We are "respectful" of mosques and other strongholds of the enemy, who take that as a sign of weakness; they still hold us in contempt. If I see Bush hold hands with a Saudi sheik again, I will go berserk.

29 posted on 12/09/2006 5:28:36 AM PST by megatherium
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To: garylmoore

I am sorry I disagree. President Bush has been shoving this Amnesty move all along . He has done nothing to stop the flow of illegals, His hands arent tied he wants these illegals in this country, It is his worst flaw IMO.

He cannot be blind to the gangs, the mexican flags flying, their refusal to learn in English, La raza's effortas to take back California. He see's these things and he says and does nothing. It isnt that his hands are tied he is actively involved in allowing these things.


30 posted on 12/09/2006 5:38:00 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Wow.

Hope this spreads through the entire monarchy.

I wouldn't count on it, but you have to start somewhere.


31 posted on 12/09/2006 5:40:55 AM PST by period end of story (This tagline has been banned or suspended.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Prime Minister Tony Blair is right about wanting to end multiculturalism, but he is too late. Too many "cultures" have taken over Britain to ever change it back to the way it was in the early nineteenth century.

President Bush, call your office.


32 posted on 12/09/2006 6:02:04 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal (q)
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To: megatherium

"Bush and his team have done an absolutely excellent job of positioning him as a conservative, when on critical issues he is nothing of the kind. They deploy the usual wedge issues (gay marriage, desecration of the flag constitutional amendment) to deflect attention away from his liberal positions on budget deficits and immigration."

***
Ah, they're taking the lessons from the playbook of LBJ during his 1948 senatorial bid. Ol' Lyndon (with generous backing from Brown & Root et al.) hired several PR firms to canvas Texas constituents' views. He learned what each segment of the population believed, what they wanted and hoped for, etc., and then had his speechwriters create the appropriate speech for each group before whom he would elicit votes. Such tactics had never been seen in Texas before that election that he reportedly stole from his more ethical Democratic rival, ex-governor Coke Stevenson.


33 posted on 12/09/2006 10:24:01 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: goldstategop
I think it's fair to think Tony Blair has changed his stance due to feeling his goodwill has been betrayed. I believe the American Left will have to experienc such a betrayal too before they are awakened.

In a way, the American Left could hide from the truth by simply saying President Bush and the Republicans controlled our government, and any Muslim violence was an attack on the Republicans and President Bush, but not our whole nation. The election results will sweep that misconception away.

A Democratic controlled Congress will be seated next month. I've no doubt the Democrats will set out on a path of unilateral peace, love and harmony on international matters, and domestic tranquility among cultures. I've also no doubt they are going to learn what it is to be betrayed by those they think are have befriended. Tragically, I personally believe it is something we must suffer if we are ever to be a single nation set against our enemies.

I'm most interested in two situations that will be coming into play soon.

First, incoming Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi defended Israel from the accusation that claims the Arab-Israeli conflict is based on Israel's control of the West Bank and Gaza. "This is absolute nonsense. In truth, the history of the conflict is not over occupation, and never has been: it is over the fundamental right of Israel to exist."

Secondly, she is part of the new Democratic majority that wants our troops out of Iraq as quickly as possible, thinking it will make both our nation and Israel safer.

I expect the Democratic majority will have success with removing our troops from Iraq. In the wake of our departure will be unbelievable bloodshed and violence, but some sense of a stability will ultimately be restored within Iraq. During the interim period between our departure and that stability, a great many Iraqis will have gained both terrorist and combat experience. I expect those battle-hardened Iraqi forces will soon thereafter be unleashed against Israel in a future conflict that will include grave acts of terrorism against the Israeli civilian population.

It is at this time I expect Pelosi and the American Left will experience a personal betrayal of her goodwill, much like UK PM Tony Blair has experienced.

Again, this is just one possible tragic scenario I envision, but I believe it will be necessary if we are ever to fight our enemies as one nation. It took just such an act of betrayal by the Japanese to unify our nation for WWII.
34 posted on 12/09/2006 2:15:39 PM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"(I still haven't given up on President Bush, but he appears to have been totally winged after the last election. Waiting for the fightback!)"

President Bush winged himself long before the last election. The recent elections didn't make him stand in defense of Muslims following the attacks of 9-11. The results didn't force him make possible an increase in Muslim immigration into our nation this decade. The results did not force him to help install an Islamic government in Iraq to replace a secular government. His undertakings before the elections eroded his base support.
35 posted on 12/09/2006 2:30:44 PM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: Diva
"Bush has not done the best job of convincing the American public that what we did in Iraq was the right thing."

I'd say Bush has utterly failed to convince the American public the enemy is only Muslim terrorists while the American public witnesses a full array of assaults by Muslims within our nation and internationally that have seeped into every institution.

While Bush has worked tirelessly to dumb down the American public, his efforts in defense of Islam run contrary to what the American public are witnessing firsthand. Islam is the enemy!
36 posted on 12/09/2006 2:41:23 PM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: megatherium

I agree with you assessment of Bush. Voters simply trusted his word that he was a conservative. He is more fluff than substance.

Also, seeing him hand-in-hand with Arab sheiks ruffles me to, but what really ruffles my feathers are the annual Ramadan celebrations he hosts in OUR WHITE HOUSE!


37 posted on 12/09/2006 2:48:13 PM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
These included "equality of respect" - especially better treatment of women by Muslim men - allegiance to the rule of law and a command of English.

B-b-but that's racist!

38 posted on 12/09/2006 2:52:52 PM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Mac1

Reason: Most readers here are Brit Conservatives. Blair, and his ilk, are not conservatives, as the article mentions - his cronies are un-reformed Left Wing liberals now trying to save their a$$es and pensions.

The situation here is dire. Our Conservative candidate is called 'Dave' - he is metroman and goes to work on a bicycle.

Shiite, there are no leaders here in the UK. Enoch Powell called it like it is [would be] 40 years ago [he was right] and we pilloried him.

We have got exactly what we deserve.



39 posted on 12/09/2006 2:54:10 PM PST by 5050 no line
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To: ScaniaBoy

ScaniaBoy,

Don't give up on Bush.


40 posted on 12/09/2006 3:06:46 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: ScaniaBoy

Good move


41 posted on 12/09/2006 3:07:52 PM PST by Biscuit85 (I hate CNN!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Nice to hear Tony talking like this, but it won't make any difference. The islamics in Britain couldn't care less what that country wants.


42 posted on 12/09/2006 11:18:28 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: sgtbono2002

He has done nothing to stop the flow of illegals

I must agree with that, and it baffles me.


43 posted on 12/10/2006 12:04:19 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: 5050 no line

"Blair, and his ilk, are not conservatives, as the article mentions - his cronies are un-reformed Left Wing liberals now trying to save their a$$es and pensions."

I still think it is commentworthy though. Yes, we HAVE got what we deserved, because of (I believe) apathy.

Regards Powell - if he was pilloried in a much less PC age - how do you think someone similiar would be received now?


44 posted on 12/10/2006 1:12:39 AM PST by Mac1 (=)
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To: megatherium
If I see Bush hold hands with a Saudi sheik again, I will go berserk.

Please warn me before you do. I have 32 years left in my life expectancy, and I want them all, and more...

45 posted on 12/10/2006 1:54:09 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: Puddleglum
B-b-but that's racist!

Only in the eyes of foreign bigots.

46 posted on 12/10/2006 2:00:26 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: 5050 no line
The situation here is dire. Our Conservative candidate is called 'Dave' - he is metroman and goes to work on a bicycle.

As in "metrosexual?" Eeeeewwww! A man should be proud of his chest and facial hair, even if he doesn't want a mustache or beard. If a woman wants you to shave your chest, she's not right for you!

47 posted on 12/10/2006 2:03:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: garylmoore

It shouldn't. Bush has always been a globalist... ummm I mean... internationalist, not a nationalist, just like his father and Gerry Ford.


48 posted on 01/12/2007 4:51:55 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Hip Hip Hooray

My sentiments as in "America also". Love it or leave it. If you don't want to follow the rules over here there are other places you can go.


49 posted on 01/12/2007 4:54:56 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Don't try to confuse me with facts. It's my way or the highway)
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To: ScaniaBoy
The right to be different. The duty to integrate. That is what being British means.

And here I always thought it meant to be English. You ever hear of a Swahili German?

50 posted on 01/12/2007 4:55:45 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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