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The failure of the Iraqi Study Group
NeoVista ^ | 12/09/2006 | Bob Gonzalez

Posted on 12/09/2006 8:17:07 AM PST by etradervic

The widely touted Iraqi Study Group has been revealed to be a disappointing hodgepodge of suggestions which, in part or as a whole, do not constitute a coherent strategy or serve to promote American long-term interests. In a case of life imitating art, waiting for Godot was much more meaningful than the arrival.

When the ISG “recommendations” that have been tried or have currently been implemented are removed, we are left with several mediocre ideas that are overwhelmed by the preponderance of a few that are patently absurd. The myopic suggestion of conjoining stability in Iraq to Israeli “land for peace” is so foolish that I feel ashamed that there is even a need to respond to such a notion. The obvious illogic of associating Iraqi stabilization, which we would like to assure in the short-term, with a peace process that history measures in decades is ludicrous and irresponsible. At worst, this is an abandonment of Israel and a circuitous way of blaming the innocent, the Jews, for having the audacity to exist.

The desire to form a regional “Support Group” with Iran and Syria with the aim of procuring their aid in the advancement of peace and stability is sophomoric in its formulation and intellectually dishonest. Does this inanity really require any further treatment?

One of the items on the ISG grocery list that falls in the “been there, done that” category is that the regional (and world) threat posed by Iranian nuclear weapons should be addressed via the UN Security Council. The key word is SHOULD. However, China and Russia have confirmed that they will not arrest Iranian nuclear adventurism with the imposition of sanctions or military ultimatum. Both of these nations are content with a tumultuous Middle-East and with the American expenditure of lives and capital.

President Bush has indirectly addressed the ISG report by reiterating the position that our objective is “victory.” All Americans, with the exception of the Democrat left-wing, desire victory. The question that remains in the minds of Americans is how? What is our strategy? We have defeated the enemy, toppled the Baathists, promoted Democracy... Now, how do we leave Iraq as a stable nation capable of self-defense from threats within and without? Is our strategy to wait for the Iraqi Government to develop sufficient strength while destabilization is promoted by an unchecked Iran and Syria? Is it not our responsibility, at a minimum, to defend our troops from the machinations of these terrorist states while they are bravely serving abroad?

The failure of the ISG is a testament to the untenable concept of leadership by committee and in a way is an affirmation of the pre-eminence of our representative Government. We elect those who serve and lead based upon our own viewpoints. Coalitions composed of disparate points of view are incapable of affording effective leadership that is resolute in its objective. In President Bush, we have an articulated, unequivocal mission – victory. The vacuum, that caused so much false hope to be gratuitously bestowed upon the promulgation of the disappointing ISG report, concerns the path that will secure our victory. In this regard, there exists an excess of polite deference to antagonistic perspectives within the pretentious Washington coterie and a dearth of clarity that Americans deserve.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqstudygroup; iraqsurrendergroup; isg
There is no line like a hard-line.
1 posted on 12/09/2006 8:17:11 AM PST by etradervic
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To: etradervic
So yeah, when the opposed of a hard line is a stupid line, then there is "There is no line like a hard-line.


It what happens when Old Boy DC trys to micromanage a war from DC.

Some where the ghost of LBJ is laughing his ass off watching a bunch of chicken hearted Congress critters and 10 DC Lawyers trying to micromanage their war from DC the same way he screwed up Vietnam from DC.

NEXT time you have a "Study Group" actually have people who KNOW the issue and the region rather then hire has been political machine types who can be relied upon to simply recreate what the Editorial position of the Washington Post and the NY Times is.
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2 posted on 12/09/2006 8:30:02 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: etradervic

The Iraq surrender group proposed a "chat and run" strategy.


3 posted on 12/09/2006 8:30:57 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: etradervic

Iraq Study Group: Choosing To Lose


4 posted on 12/09/2006 8:34:29 AM PST by angkor ("Bush needs to decide that the bad guys are going to die" Podhoretz, NY Post, 12/5/06)
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To: etradervic

One thing is missing in their report. This world of ours is in the middle of major conflict.....could be considered WWIII, a religious war. Look at the Iraq, Lebonon, Syria, Israel, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Africa, Europe, Russia, Phillipines and the list goes on. It will hit here in the US one of these days unless we have the balls to stand up against it and admit who is causing all the problems. Muslims, but our media won't admit it either. Who are the waring factions in the list above and other countries? We are in a religious war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 12/09/2006 8:43:26 AM PST by Ron2
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To: angkor
Your tagline says it all. I hope that when this decision is finally made that they resolve to go after the tyrants as opposed to solely inflicting infrastructure damage.
Reagan's action against Libya is our template.
6 posted on 12/09/2006 8:47:05 AM PST by etradervic (Rumsfeld - the sack heard around the world)
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To: Ron2
Who are the waring factions in the list above and other countries? We are in a religious war!

There is no doubt that the terrorists are motivated by the religious intolerance and megalomania of Islam. It may be almost cliche to hold that all of the terrorists that we are currently fighting fall into this group, but that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists.
It is wise to divide Muslims between the fanatics and moderates and not to unite them by attacking Islam as a whole.
7 posted on 12/09/2006 8:57:44 AM PST by etradervic (Rumsfeld - the sack heard around the world)
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To: etradervic

How much did the members of this group get paid? How about their staff, how much did they get paid?

Same old "Independent Commission" crap. Independent from what?... Reality?


8 posted on 12/09/2006 9:00:10 AM PST by BigDaddyTX (Don't Mex with Texas)
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To: TEX06

i understand that Baker has never been a supporter of israel. but is there evidence that he is an anti-semite, as you charge?


10 posted on 12/09/2006 9:17:06 AM PST by drhogan
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To: etradervic

The Republican and Democratic pragmatists could be the death of the USA.


11 posted on 12/09/2006 9:19:35 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: etradervic

I don't believe we have any choice since the Moderate Muslim's will not stand up against the fanatics. Muslim's cannot attack another Muslim and it's not our position or job to do it for them. That being the case, how do we tell them apart? When it comes down to it, we need to protect ourselves and just like war, the innocent will some times get caught up in it. Either they stand up against the radicals or they fall in line with them.


12 posted on 12/09/2006 9:29:10 AM PST by Ron2
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To: outofsalt

Perhaps we should revert to the simpler strategy of "cut-and-run", without all this business of bringing in Iran and Syria for their contributions. Then they shall have to meet directly, without the US as intermediary.

Oh, I forgot. They ALREADY meet directly, without the aid and assistance of the US.

We are just getting written out of the script now, is all.

And the "stability" we so desperately seek, shall continue to elude us and everybody.


13 posted on 12/09/2006 9:41:53 AM PST by alloysteel (Facts do not cease to exist, just because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley)
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To: etradervic

James Baker was just doing the bidding of his Saudi masters. Baker and his commission gave the Saudis everything they paid for.


14 posted on 12/09/2006 9:53:28 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: etradervic
I smell a huge back-stabbing, double-cross in the works here.

I wonder if James Baker was part of the group that recommended to President George H.W. Bush that he strike a deal with Congressional RATS to raise taxes in exchange for a promise from the RATS to cut spending.

15 posted on 12/09/2006 9:57:27 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I read the entire "proposal" in two sittings, from front to back. I honestly couldn't believe some of things I was reading. We could put forth a much better proposal, in about a tenth of the time. The blatant hypocrisy and outright wishful thinking of these so called "academics" is glaringly obvious to anyone with even an ounce of reasoning power. Bank on this though, it will be touted in January by the new Dem Congress left and right, without anyone there even reading it. It will be the new "buzz word". I mean, come on, we're supoose to depend on the despotic regimes of Iran and Syria to help in the building process of a Democratic state. Right. new "Land for peace" deals in Israel? yeah, that's worked well in the past (not). I have a headache.
16 posted on 12/09/2006 10:07:37 AM PST by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: etradervic

It's hilarious the way buffoons are running out and buying this "study group's" pamphlet when it can be downloaded free off the internet. LOL! I guess maybe they just want to impress their friends and neighbors by carrying it around with them during the holidays. There are too many weirdos living in this country.


17 posted on 12/09/2006 10:08:23 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Study hard and do your homework or you'll end up stuck in the House or Senate.)
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To: corlorde
We could put forth a much better proposal, in about a tenth of the time.

Here's what I propose. Why not gather a group of Freepers that have experience from a military, political, organizational and execution perspective and do just that. You will need to have 2 or 3 people from each discipline to make it work and to cover all the bases so there is no room for disagreement.

My guess is you won't find something that is going to be 100% effective or have the good members of Free Republic be in harmony with your outcomes.

The Iraq mess is a very complex situation. We can't stay forever, which it looks like me may, and we can't just walk away.

There are portions of the Iraq Study Group report that I find hard to agree with too. But clearly our current and past strategies haven't worked in a critical region in Iraq, and being led by the best and brightest. Why pick on this group. I don't see anything in their report that would necessarily make the wheels fall off more than they already are.

18 posted on 12/09/2006 10:17:03 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: etradervic
The Iraqi Study Group are apparently in their second childhood as the report reads like it was written by a group of twelve year olds.

It is also anti-Semitic.

19 posted on 12/09/2006 10:20:15 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: joesbucks

In the ISG report, the only thing that really stood out in my mind is beefing up the training of the Iraqi security forces. Most of our effort should go into this aspect of the report, and the rest of our forces should just stay out of the way and protect Iraqi infrastructure. Getting in between the Saudi backed Sunni's and Iranian backed Shi'a doesn't make sense to me. I just don't know why we have to hitch a sell out of Israel while we are at it.


20 posted on 12/09/2006 10:22:56 AM PST by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: etradervic

The ISG = OJ jury of the 2000's


21 posted on 12/09/2006 10:23:04 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: etradervic
THE IRAQ SENILE, STUPIDITY, AND SURRENDER GROUP

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler [author of the Reagan Doctrine]
Thursday, 07 December 2006

One hundred and forty years ago, British philosopher John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) wrote:

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse... A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. (Dissertations and Discussions 1867 Vol.1 p. 26.)

A perfect description of the Democrat Party leadership and the editors of the New York Times today. Which is why they are hyping the Iraq Study Group Report to the moon.

They hope to use the hype to force President Bush to surrender in Iraq. They will not succeed.

Yesterday (12/06), I and a small group of conservatives met with a top White House aide (whose comments were not for attribution so I can't name him). In so many words, he told us that President Bush's response to the Iraq Study Group Report and the media hysteria around it is: "Thank you for sharing."

http://www.tothepointnews.com/

22 posted on 12/09/2006 10:28:16 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: corlorde
Mega Dittos. Thank you for having the courage to wade thru the whole thing. I gave up after the first 12 pages. I felt sick to my stomach realizing THIS is the best our Govt could come up with. Next time I suggest they simply hire 10 guys with Infantry badges. Not only would it be a whole lot cheaper, it would also be 100% smarter.
23 posted on 12/09/2006 10:33:36 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: shield

"Thank you for sharing."
I ordered the book (Mill's not Baker's).


24 posted on 12/09/2006 1:28:49 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: alloysteel
And the "stability" we so desperately seek, shall continue to elude us and everybody.

Don't get sucked in by this. "Stability" is a fetish of career State Department weenies who give a sh*t less for the interests of the US. These wisenheimers identify with the country or region they specialize in--and begin to work for those interests instead of the US's interests. James Baker is a classic "stability" freak--who cares who wins, as long as the world goes on without disrupting my cushy deal?..."Diamond Jim"...you bet.

The only time we can realistically make progress is during periods of INstability--that is when we can shape and change the facts on the ground, usually with direct application or imminent threat of military force. Presdient Bush started out acting as if he understood this elementary reality, but somewhere a couple years ago he got misled, and a great opportunity was lost.

25 posted on 12/09/2006 3:00:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"It's hilarious the way buffoons are running out and buying this "study group's" pamphlet when it can be downloaded free off the internet."

Consider paying for it a tax on stupidity, then.

Consider following their recommendations as if they are gospel as a tax on political gullibility. To consider them worth anything more than a 2 cent input of conventional wisdom is to elevate kibbutzing above professionalism.


26 posted on 12/09/2006 8:08:27 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: shield

Iraq Surrender Group - PING.


27 posted on 12/09/2006 8:16:42 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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