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Is there a Santa Claus?
New York Sun ^ | September 12, 1897 | Francis Pharcellus Church

Posted on 12/11/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by ZULU

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To: ZULU
I believe this issue was settled by the courts in New York in 1947. They proved not only was there a Santa Claus - but that Edmund Gwynn was the one and only Santa Claus.

Case closed.

61 posted on 12/12/2006 12:09:53 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: JenB
Me, I think Santa's creepy. He's got a list of every kid and where they live, he's watching, he has the ability to be anywhere in the world in one night, he's got that whole Elf exploitation thing going, to say nothing of the flying getaway vehicle...

Nothing beats John Updike's take on creepy Santa in a New Yorker magazine of several years ago. Tried to find it on the Net but no luck. Talks about hearing the Christmas tree slurping up water in the night. Totally hilarious.

One of my Christmas cards this year has Santa on the couch, saying that his obsessive-compulsive disorder has become worse: He's now checking his list three or four times.

62 posted on 12/12/2006 12:13:58 PM PST by firebrand
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To: HairOfTheDog

That's an interesting idea! I could see that being as valuable a way of keeping the Christmas focus on something more meaningful as my family's tradition from my childhood.

Um... yeah... Santa Pants actually have become a family tradition. Everyone gets a pair of pants from Santa now. It's the only present labelled "from Santa" and usually the names are all misspelled. Heh. My brother always gets very angry.


63 posted on 12/12/2006 12:15:09 PM PST by JenB
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To: HungarianGypsy

Funny how every time Santa comes to our house, I manage not to be there. :)


64 posted on 12/12/2006 12:16:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: JenB

I think I remember your Santa pants tradition from previous years :~) It has some quirky charm. :~)


65 posted on 12/12/2006 12:17:41 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (I have to relax...)
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB; ecurbh

Santa Baby...put some trousers under the tree for me...

it just don't have the same ring to it.


66 posted on 12/12/2006 12:28:22 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Finding out your parents were BSing you about Santa can be very traumatic to kids. Little kids tend to consider their parents to be nearly god-like in stature and power, finding out they were lying about something is a pretty heavy hit on the core concepts of reality for a kid like that.

I don't ever remember seriously believing in Santa, something about not having a chimney and having multiple relatives that worked in department stores and thus seeing multiple department store Santa on the same day caused my BS detector to tingle for what was probably the first time in my life. And my mom was never much of one to try to snow the kid under, she figured life was complicated enough without making her kid suspicious, so when I asked her about it she spieled on the spirit of giving and stuff like that, basically saying that no there was no Santa the person but Santa the concept was still good and important only with words a 4 year old could grasp.

If I had kids I'd be very vague on the Santa front, there are too many possible really bad repercussions to lying to kids about something when you know they'll see through it eventually.


67 posted on 12/12/2006 12:43:41 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: discostu

It just really doesn't have to be that complicated. When questioned, I was told if I wanted presents I should believe - end of conversation. The trouble is all the overwrought explanations.


68 posted on 12/12/2006 12:54:24 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (I need to relax...)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I guess it all depends on the kid, and the other sections of the child kid relationship. Some kids can handle finding out they were being lied to, some can't; some parents can manage to lie to their kids in a way that doesn't set the kid up for a major fall, some can't. If my mom ever tried to lay that kind of absolute on me there would have been open rebellion, I've never done well with ultimatums.


69 posted on 12/12/2006 12:57:31 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: discostu

Jeepers, it's not an ultimatum, it's fun. Is there no such thing as a wink and a smile in your world?


70 posted on 12/12/2006 1:02:58 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (I need to relax...)
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To: HairOfTheDog

My sister tod me there had to be a Santa Claus "cause Daddy cant afford all this stuff"


71 posted on 12/12/2006 1:05:16 PM PST by woofie (This area deemed a failure, Something new and witty will no doubt emerge)
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To: HairOfTheDog

There's winks and smiles (and BTW that's the first time you've indicated there was even the slightest jest in it, we only know what you tell us here) but that's still an ultimatum, a rose by any other color as they say. A wink and a smile might turn it into a friendly or funny ultimatum, but it's still a "do this or else".


72 posted on 12/12/2006 1:06:58 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: NavyCanDo

I assume Santa would spell his last name correctly.

:-)


73 posted on 12/12/2006 1:07:40 PM PST by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: discostu

You're right, I didn't say it was in fun... With Santa, I guess it just didn't occur to me that I had to clarify that. I have no overwrought childhood trauma associated with Santa Claus and the "truth".


74 posted on 12/12/2006 1:10:09 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (I need to relax...)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Parents aren't always fun, I've known some seriously messed up parents in my time, caused me to forgive every annoying foible of my own.

Some kids have no problem with it, some do. Shouldn't get upset with people who had issues with learning the truth about Santa when they were little, can't really control what random thoughts ran through your head decades ago.


75 posted on 12/12/2006 1:12:01 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: discostu

I'm not upset, I'm just trying to get a few of the overwrought to not pass on that personal flaw to their kids.


76 posted on 12/12/2006 1:13:50 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (I need to relax...)
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To: HairOfTheDog

You got two choices in raising kids: pass on your personal flaws, or pass on random flaws. And the fun part is you never really know which is going to happen until they reach adulthood.


77 posted on 12/12/2006 1:15:32 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: discostu

Carry on... :~)


78 posted on 12/12/2006 1:16:56 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (I need to relax...)
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To: weegee
and was appraised (but not for sale) on Antiques Roadshow.

How interesting. What was the price?

79 posted on 12/12/2006 1:17:07 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: firebrand
One of my Christmas cards this year has Santa on the couch, saying that his obsessive-compulsive disorder has become worse: He's now checking his list three or four times.

Ha Ha Ha! (or Ho Ho Ho)

80 posted on 12/12/2006 1:22:43 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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