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Rodriguez Upsets Incumbent Bonilla
Express-News ^ | 12/13/06 | Greg Jefferson

Posted on 12/13/2006 4:43:43 AM PST by Froufrou

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The article quotes a Bonilla spokesman as blaming the early voting, with something of an insinuation that the Rodriguez campaign acted improperly by securing additional days of early voting. The vote tallies you posted, however, show that Bonilla actually did better (in percentages) in the early voting than he did overall. So that excuse won't fly.

You put your finger on the real question: "Where did Bonilla's voters go?"

Thanks for posting the numbers -- quite startling.

21 posted on 12/13/2006 6:57:56 AM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Froufrou
How can Ciro Rodriguez be characterized as a bad campaigner when the Republican Party pulls its usual voter suppression effort against Mexican Americans:

Seven-term Republican incumbent Henry Bonilla lost to former U.S. Rep. Ciro Rodriguez in a race that had angered some as it was held on December 12, which marks Our Lady of Guadalupe, one of the most important dates in the Mexican calendar.

That was seen by some as a Republican ploy to depress the Hispanic vote in a bid to benefit the conservative Bonilla, a strong supporter of President George W. Bush. (from today's NYT report of the Rodriguez victory over Bonilla)

Republicns would be best advised to cooperate with Democratic efforts in the Congress next year to improve the voting process and to provide more polling places so that voters don't have to wait in line for 45 minutes or more to choose candidates. Voters will remember again and again if the R's attempt to pull similar voter suppression stunts when the Congress reconvenes.

22 posted on 12/13/2006 7:23:11 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Hispanic Republicans are voting Democrat this year, because no matter how much they agree with us about stopping illegal immigration, they simply are turned off by the Tom Tancredo's of the world blaming mexicans for all our problems.

South Texas is the Democrat stronghold in Texas. Now, tell me again why they have always voted Democrat? Most of them are actually kind of funny. They laugh when they add mamasita to their Income Tax as a deduction even though mamasita lives in Mexico, as they claim that the IRS will not look for them. They're right. All they have to do is bring mamsita across the border and claim she is living with them. They know more about which laws to break than you can even throw a stick at. They could care less about what Americans want. Read their "whine" stories as they are all about Me,me,me.

23 posted on 12/13/2006 7:34:49 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Hispanic Republicans are voting Democrat this year, because no matter how much they agree with us about stopping illegal immigration, they simply are turned off by the Tom Tancredo's of the world blaming mexicans for all our problems.

South Texas is the Democrat stronghold in Texas. Now, tell me again why they have always voted Democrat? Most of them are actually kind of funny. They laugh when they add mamasita to their Income Tax as a deduction even though mamasita lives in Mexico, as they claim that the IRS will not look for them. They're right. All they have to do is bring mamsita across the border and claim she is living with them. They know more about which laws to break than you can even throw a stick at. They could care less about what Americans want. Read their "whine" stories as they are all about Me,me,me.

24 posted on 12/13/2006 7:34:58 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: MurryMom
had angered some as it was held on December 12, which marks Our Lady of Guadalupe, one of the most important dates in the Mexican calendar. That was seen by some as a Republican ploy to depress the Hispanic vote in a bid to benefit the conservative Bonilla...

This is a stupid statement, since they are BOTH Hispanic!
25 posted on 12/13/2006 7:45:05 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: CharlesWayneCT; chimera; stevio; SwinneySwitch

" every time he complained, another batch of voters got tired of it. "

This could be where Bonilla failed. He ran a pretty hot spot about Ciro 'aiding and abetting terrorists.'

I've know plenty of Hispanics who would cheat their own family, but you'd better not question their integrity.


26 posted on 12/13/2006 7:48:51 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: MurryMom
Republicns would be best advised to cooperate with Democratic efforts in the Congress next year to improve the voting process and to provide more polling places so that voters don't have to wait in line for 45 minutes or more to choose candidates. Voters will remember again and again if the R's attempt to pull similar voter suppression stunts when the Congress reconvenes.

Well, I don't know, I guess it depends on how much you care and the value you place on voting. I stood in line for about 2 hours in 2004 and didn't whisper a complaint. I didn't feel suppressed. Depressed, maybe a little, but suppressed, I'd say not. I didn't like it, but I still did it because I thought it was important and I learned a long time ago that sometimes something worthwhile isn't always easy. So, to be honest, based on my experience, 45 minutes isn't really too bad.

I remembered that experience in 2006, but it didn't stop me from voting the straight 'R' ticket, because those candidates best lined up with my views on the various issues.

27 posted on 12/13/2006 7:55:47 AM PST by chimera
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To: Froufrou
This is a stupid statement, since they are BOTH Hispanic!

Bonilla had never won more than 30% of the Hispanic vote. I'm not sure what the numbers are this year, but I'd be surprised if he got 10% in the runoff.

28 posted on 12/13/2006 8:04:40 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker; From One - Many; SwinneySwitch

" Hispanics voted much more like African Americans. "

I think there may be more AA Republicans than you realize. NAACP has had some nasty puclicity in recent years and it's a known fact that the med school has racial preferential treatment guides.

Many AA's here frown on what they themselves call n*****s. I was at the Cosby live show when he first delivered his stunning challenge to the Black community to stop blaming white people, etc. He got many, many standing ovations.


29 posted on 12/13/2006 8:06:57 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: chimera

I take it that you want the R's to continue their voter suppression stunts by limiting the number of polling places available for ballots to be cast on election day?


30 posted on 12/13/2006 8:13:51 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: chimera; NeoCaveman; Alter Kaker; From One - Many; SwinneySwitch
We have to face the fact that a lot of "true conservatives" got creamed in this election. The country is drifting to the left quite strongly and it will take a lot of effort to arrest that, if it's even possible.

Kaker makes a good point, that 30% of the Hispanic vote in this town won't get a victory...assuming 100% of the Hispanics vote!

I was speaking with a colleague recently who made a good observation: that Mexico and the US have exchanged our 'crappy' people.

IOW, we have retirees going to Mexico and living like elitist kings, demanding, consumptive, and not making any attempt to blend there. Refusal to learn Spanish.

Likewise, we are beginning to see neighborhoods shift here to having a 'barrio' appearance. Meet markets and a few stinky markets I can't imagine shopping at, loudly painted buildings and, again, people who refuse to learn the language and blend.

We have many very, very erudite and very cultured Hispanics in our community. They are the ticket to GOP success, IMHO.
31 posted on 12/13/2006 8:14:10 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: chimera
We have to face the fact that a lot of "true conservatives" got creamed in this election. The country is drifting to the left quite strongly and it will take a lot of effort to arrest that, if it's even possible.

Jeb Bradley, Charlie Bass, Nancy Johnson, Rob Simmons, Lincoln Chafee, Mike DeWine and many others that I wouldn't call conservatives lost too.

It's not a left shift. It's an anti-Republican shift.

Everyone, right/left/middle is sick of the GOP for their own unique reasons.

The GOP overestimated the power of pork and incumbency combined with what's going on in Iraq.

32 posted on 12/13/2006 8:23:41 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Kucinich, Vilsak, Obama, Biden, Bayh, Dodd, & Edwards the 7 dwarves to Snow Rodham)
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To: MurryMom
All I said was I didn't mind waiting, and it didn't affect how I voted in the following election. I do not think it is an insurmountable burden to wait 45 minutes. I waited for two hours and still managed not to be "suppressed". If a stupid old conservative like me can do it, surely the smarter (so they say), elitist liberals can do as well.

Just be honest with us and most of all yourself. What you really want is for it to be "easy". If there is even a hint at there being any amount of "work" involved (like taking a little time), can't have that. You're defending laziness, nothing more.

33 posted on 12/13/2006 8:25:59 AM PST by chimera
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To: Froufrou
According to national exit polls, African Americans votes 89% Democratic in 2006, the same percentage as in 2004.

Hispanics voted 69% Democratic (most of the 30% who voted Republican are Cuban), when only 55% voted Democrat in 2004. That's a 14 point shift in two years towards the Dems in the fastest growing demographic in the country. My guess is that if you exclude Cubans (a demographic that isn't growing), Dem performance is growing much faster than that.

34 posted on 12/13/2006 8:29:23 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: NeoCaveman
Jeb Bradley, Charlie Bass, Nancy Johnson, Rob Simmons, Lincoln Chafee, Mike DeWine and many others that I wouldn't call conservatives lost too.

Then again, we lost many "true conservatives", people like Rick Santorum, George Allen, Conrad Burns, John Hostettler, Jim Talent, J. D. Hayworth, and now Henry Bonilla. We're not doing ourselves any favors if we live in denial, writing ourselves notes that we didn't really "lose" anything, just like we did before the election when the polls were telling us what was going on but we all "knew" they "just had" to be wrong. If we're going to bounce back from this disaster we're going to have to start with seeing like it is and telling it like it is, and get focused on coming up with a winning strategy for '08, or we'll be writing posts to each other then about how it isn't so bad that we're looking at inaugurating President Hillary or President Obama in a few months.

35 posted on 12/13/2006 8:39:32 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera
Then again, we lost many "true conservatives", people like Rick Santorum, George Allen, Conrad Burns, John Hostettler, Jim Talent, J. D. Hayworth, and now Henry Bonilla.

You make my point well. There is an across the board disgust with the GOP right now.

36 posted on 12/13/2006 9:14:35 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Kucinich, Vilsak, Obama, Biden, Bayh, Dodd, & Edwards the 7 dwarves to Snow Rodham)
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But I'm not sure it was just the 'R' people were voting against in these races. Remember how Brown played up his anti-conservative as well as anti-Republican credentials. I don't think Strickland's and Brown's victories would have been as sweeping as they were if it were simply an anti-Republican vote. I remember reading on election night posts talking about how poorly Blackwell was doing in normally strong Republican districts. If there wasn't an anti-conservative component to the dynamic to reinforce the anti-Republican trend, I don't think that would have been the case. There were many races where voters were showing both non-conservative and non-Republican tendencies. If we write this clobbering off as simply an anti-party vote, we may be placing ourselves at greater risk than we would otherwise.

The liberals and 'Rats are going to be energized for '08 in a manner that hasn't been seen for awhile. They're going to take this momentum they've built and use it to dump more conservatives and/or Republicans the next time around simply because they'll be reading the message that we're overlooking. I know this is a message we don't want to hear, especially on FR, and the natural, understandable tendency will be to blow it off and try to spin it away (as well as kill the messenger with name-calling and taunts like "Defeatist!", or "Go back to DU!"). But, I'm telling you, if we insist on trying to fool ourselves yet again, we're going to be going down the same path, or worse, in '08.

37 posted on 12/13/2006 9:57:37 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera
Ahh, a fellow Buckeye.

Sherrod Brown sounded exactly like Pat Buchanan in his commercials.

Ted Strickland advertised heavily on Christian radio, while his opponent ran out of money and faced a backlash from scandal mongering. In addition to the misfortune of following Taft who had (and earned) a 19% approval rating.

No doubt our side is demoralized and their side is enthused. You can see it in who didn't vote in the Bonilla race.

Lets face it, we are the party of big government now and got taken to the woodshed for being the party of big government who also couldn't run it competently.
38 posted on 12/13/2006 10:03:56 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Where is my Reagan, Don't say it's John McCain. Where have all the conservatives gone? - P.Shanklin)
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Well, undoubtedly the situation in OH was made uniquely worse by the local scandals of Taft, Noe, and Ney. I said in a post on another thread that DeWine started out this campaign with six strikes against him: unpopularity of Iraq war, unpopularity of Bush, unpopularity of Taft, the Foley scandal, loss of jobs in the state (dissatisfaction with trade policies), and lack of economic growth.

We also passed some nanny-state non-conservative issues that brought out the liberal voters, things like the anti-smoking issue and the minimum wage constitutional amendment (the latter being the absolute worst way to do it).

Some conservative ballot issues passed nationwide, but others failed badly. The defeat of the SD abortion law, and the parental notification shoot-down in CA, were real shockers.

Sherrod Brown's commercials lamenting the loss of jobs standing in front of boarded-up factories and businesses were powerful and effective. He tapped a simmering unease and discontent that conservatives/Republicans didn't (couldn't?) effectively blunt. The 'Rats played it very smart this last cycle. They correctly identified the things people were unhappy about or wanted to change, and cast themselves in the role of the party to do the things people wanted. They painted the Reps/conservatives as the people who had caused the state of affairs that gave rise to the discontent. We need to learn our lesson from this. We ignore it at our peril.

39 posted on 12/13/2006 10:20:45 AM PST by chimera
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To: Froufrou

"I think there may be more AA Republicans than you realize. NAACP has had some nasty puclicity in recent years and it's a known fact that the med school has racial preferential treatment guides.

Many AA's here frown on what they themselves call n*****s. I was at the Cosby live show when he first delivered his stunning challenge to the Black community to stop blaming white people, etc. He got many, many standing ovations."

You ARE aware that the percentage of African Americans who voted for Democrats increased in this election? Also of black candidates running for statewide or national offices, 13 black Democrats ran and 7 won while 3 black Republicans ran and zero won.
Not a good trend.


40 posted on 12/13/2006 11:08:10 AM PST by jamese777
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