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Rodriguez Upsets Incumbent Bonilla
Express-News ^ | 12/13/06 | Greg Jefferson

Posted on 12/13/2006 4:43:43 AM PST by Froufrou

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To: ZULU

I see it that way, too. Many high-class Hispanics have turned away because of that policy. They are just as against, if not more so, to illegals than we are. And why shouldn't they be? They did everything they were supposed to do to be here...why should Pancho get any breaks?


61 posted on 12/14/2006 8:14:29 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Democrats get more minority votes because they are the party who will keep entitlements. Pure and simple. Minorities are more likely than Caucasians to pursue entitlements.

This is the point Cosby was making. The sheeple have not all realized that entitlements are Dems' way of keeping them down. Feed 'em, have 'em spit out babies to inflate the voting base, and they're too busy and too poor to get educated.

This is not MHO, it is fact. I did the welfare job and I know.

Since welfare reform, the number of people on welfare is about 4 million, 2% of the total US population of 300 million. People on welfare and people in the lowest socio-economic group, incomes below $30,000 are only 23% of the voters in this nation. Persons below $15,000 are 8% of the electorate and persons below $30,000 are 15% of the electorate. You can't win many elections with only 23% of the voters as your core constituency.
In 2004, 36% of poor people voted for Bush and 42% of persons with incomes from $15,000 to $30,000 voted for Bush.
Black voters are 11% of the electorate and Latino voters are 8%.


62 posted on 12/14/2006 8:14:30 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

What you're ignoring is the number of minorities that don't bother to vote! And those that vote, with the numbers you provide, I agree aren't their 'core constituency' but they sure can and do put them over the top.

When I was with the agency, we had that [get out the vote] initiative, too. That was when TX stopped using voter registration for jury duty and began using drivers licenses. I was glad then because I didn't have to solicit them to register anymore. You'd be amazed at how many didn't and don't give a rat's patooti.


63 posted on 12/14/2006 8:18:30 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

"What you're ignoring is the number of minorities that don't bother to vote! And those that vote, with the numbers you provide, I agree aren't their 'core constituency' but they sure can and do put them over the top.

When I was with the agency, we had that [get out the vote] initiative, too. That was when TX stopped using voter registration for jury duty and began using drivers licenses. I was glad then because I didn't have to solicit them to register anymore. You'd be amazed at how many didn't and don't give a rat's patooti."

I'm not ignoring non-voters at all. That wasn't what was being discussed. Only between 45 and 60 percent of eligible voters actually vote, depending on the election.
There are other countries where it is against the law to not vote if you are an eligible citizen! That's the way it is in Australia, to name one.
Blacks are 13% of the US population and they are 11% of voters, so that's pretty close to what it should be. Latinos are 14% of the population but only 8% of voters, so they've got a ways to go to be proportional.


64 posted on 12/14/2006 8:25:01 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

"Latinos are 14% of the population but only 8% of voters, so they've got a ways to go to be proportional."

They've got to me more than 14% of the population. What was being discussed is how Dems pander to them and why.

As for Australia, I've often considered emigrating there if the Dems don't back off their social globalization of this country. I think illegal to not vote may be a little harsh, and maybe failing to vote should cause the privilege to be stripped, as it is for convicts.


65 posted on 12/14/2006 8:30:29 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: jamese777

"They've got to me more than 14% of the population."

me = be


66 posted on 12/14/2006 8:33:56 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

"And why shouldn't they be? They did everything they were supposed to do to be here.."

Makes sense to me.

Nobody likes a line jumper, except the President, apparently, and Alberto Gonzales and people who think like them.

Nobody likes to be patronized, especially when the beneficiaries are the line jumpers, a corrupt foriegn government, and a bunch of sweatshop owners.


67 posted on 12/14/2006 9:34:21 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: MurryMom
Ciro Rodriguez is correct and the Republicans are wrong on this one.

All that is there are little IOU's printed on government paper, backed by government printing presses, backed by the earning power of a steadily declining work force to retiree ratio. It's a ponzi scheme!!!

But keep trying to make it sound good.

68 posted on 12/14/2006 10:05:54 AM PST by rock58seg (NO McCAIN, NO STAIN, NO PAIN, ONLY GAIN)
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To: MurryMom; rock58seg

I thoroughly debunked MM's claim that there is no problem with Social Security months ago. She knows she's lying, but doesn't care.


69 posted on 12/15/2006 11:35:39 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Mr. Silverback; MurryMom
thoroughly debunked MM's claim that there is no problem with Social Security months ago. She knows she's lying, but doesn't care.

I have noticed many posts in which Murry Mom has her own set of unigue facts.

70 posted on 12/15/2006 12:17:06 PM PST by rock58seg (NO McCAIN, NO STAIN, NO PAIN, ONLY GAIN)
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To: rock58seg
It's a ponzi scheme!!!

You've seen it said so many times by the liar-in-chief you believe it must be so, don't you? Even though the SS trustees' data totally contradict all of the Republicans' baseless contentions.

71 posted on 12/15/2006 2:04:34 PM PST by MurryMom
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To: rock58seg
I have noticed many posts in which Murry Mom has her own set of unigue facts.

My facts are supported by the SS trustees reports that I cite in my posts. Also, I possess sufficient intelligence to spell "unique" properly.

72 posted on 12/15/2006 2:06:59 PM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom

Just testing to see whether you would catch that. You don't do to well on other things. Such as believeing there is really money in the S.S. "Lockbox."

How is your collection of bridges coming along?

Looking to unload any of that Arizona seaside property?


73 posted on 12/15/2006 10:14:45 PM PST by rock58seg (NO McCAIN, NO STAIN, NO PAIN, ONLY GAIN)
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To: MurryMom
Only because it's true, when they say it.

That and having by shear force of good sense been able to extract friends from getting involved in them. There have been myriad Pyramid schemes and other con's tried on me.

By force of law, S.S. was the only one I could not avoid.
74 posted on 12/15/2006 10:26:10 PM PST by rock58seg (NO McCAIN, NO STAIN, NO PAIN, ONLY GAIN)
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To: rock58seg
By force of law, S.S. was the only one I could not avoid.

LOL! Does that mean you would be willing to give your SS checks back to the treasury if they didn't deduct SS and Medicare funds from your paycheck every month?

75 posted on 12/17/2006 3:33:43 PM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
Damn straight, if we could go back and let me invest it in the market each year. I would have loved a deal like GWB was pushing. So would other thinking Americans.

However between the Dem and AARP demagogy, the lamestream Media bias, and scaring of unaffected geezers, I guess it wasn't gonna happen.

Now that the Dems are in my, buying power which was prevented from growing with the economy will suffer even more due to the upcoming inflation. At least the Republicans were able to grow the economy while overspending.

76 posted on 12/17/2006 8:35:41 PM PST by rock58seg (NO McCAIN, NO STAIN, NO PAIN, ONLY GAIN)
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To: rock58seg
...let me invest it in the market each year...

That's fine, just so long as you don't invest in companies like Enron, AA, GM, INTC, F, and DD whose shares collectively have suffered varying degrees of net loss over the past 5 years. Congratulations on considering yourself savvy enough to outsmart the stock market.

Meanwhile SS pays its recipients the entire amount of their "investment" in the first 30 months without any market risk and only a 1% "carrying charge" on the payout. In contrast with a 0.5-2% yearly fee on mutual fund investors. Your broker must love you for favoring high cost investments over low cost ones.

77 posted on 12/18/2006 11:45:38 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: rock58seg
You only need to watch Lou Dobbs once in a while to see how the middle class is being screwed by Wall Street. Wall Street managing directors are pulling down holiday bonuses of $50 million apiece from a bonus pool that aggregates multiple tens of billions of dollars earned on the backs of all of middle class investors. From the employers and past employers of these people, the list of corporate executives pulling down annual compensation packages of $50 million or more is getting beyond belief. The losing management teams in corporate takeover wars are walking away with $50 million personal settlements for doing goodness knows what. I have never seen anything like this.

This is what happens when people like you place their trust in Wall Street. The SS system provides a safety net for the losers in Wall Street's "investment" schemes.

78 posted on 12/19/2006 7:35:02 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
You do know even the SS trustees say that by ~2040 all SS funds will be exhausted and outgoing funds will far outstrip incoming contributions. I have seen estimates that a payroll tax ranging from 25-40% and probable benefits reductions will be necessary for SS to meet its obligations. I also don't think those figures include Medicare, and as we all know medicals costs are far outpacing inflation. I believe that Medicare expenses may someday eclipse Social Security's.

I wanted to ask about your rant concerning corporate compensation,.... so what? What difference does it make how much they are paid, if you don't like it don't invest.

Finally you are right IMO about one thing SS was suppose to be a safety net, basically so you'll have food to stay alive and a place to sleep. I don't believe it was ever intended to fund your retirement, to pay for your 2200 sq ft. home, to provide money for two cars, Summer vacation, wintering in FL. or AZ., or subsidizing medical care from retirement to the grave like the addition on Medicare in the '60's brought to the dance. SS was a scam from the start, and for too many, way too many is basically all the retirement they have.
79 posted on 12/19/2006 7:56:36 AM PST by thinkthenpost
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To: MurryMom

You have a lot of envy in you. My condolences. Live well on your S.S.

Please direct your future posts at someone else, more gullible.


80 posted on 12/19/2006 12:44:16 PM PST by rock58seg (NO McCAIN, NO STAIN, NO PAIN, ONLY GAIN)
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