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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: ChicagoConservative27
OK...thanks!

Seattle must have beat the Panthers...

101 posted on 12/18/2006 9:40:48 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hillary IS a Stalinist, make no mistake about it.

She's as cut throat as they come.


102 posted on 12/18/2006 9:40:50 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Her Thighness: "Where no boner has gone before..."


103 posted on 12/18/2006 9:40:57 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: rottndog
Yes, take the little red pill and everything dies...
104 posted on 12/18/2006 9:41:29 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: MaestroLC

Maybe that's why she's so uptight...


105 posted on 12/18/2006 9:41:46 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: MaestroLC

LOL!


106 posted on 12/18/2006 9:41:52 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MaestroLC

This caller has spunk.

I think she's right. People don't get it.
Rush and Elder and Hannity spend too much
time in the sarcasm mode. Instead of mocking
foolish callers, they need to teach whenever
possible.


107 posted on 12/18/2006 9:42:04 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

LOL


108 posted on 12/18/2006 9:42:24 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: MNJohnnie

Hello Johnnie! Sono mode today.


109 posted on 12/18/2006 9:42:24 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: LibertyLee

Bears had a first round bye in 2005.


110 posted on 12/18/2006 9:42:40 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Sensei Ern

On a serious point, I used to worry when all of my friends, who atteneded the same church, were not at home. I somethimes thought the rapture happened and I was left.

I got over it by realizing that if I were left, then God would be a liar. Since He doesn not lie, my assurance is as sure as my trust in His Word.


111 posted on 12/18/2006 9:42:57 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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To: angcat

How you doing?


112 posted on 12/18/2006 9:43:01 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Sensei Ern

Try WJR-760 out of Detroit. Their problem is that they are notorious for cutting out of Rush if something big is happening locally. WLS is my backup station for when that happens- even though they are behind. I haven't had time to find a different backup station lately, but I'm a lot happier now that I've found one.


113 posted on 12/18/2006 9:43:11 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: MaestroLC
Star Trek 78--The Undiscovered Uterus...
114 posted on 12/18/2006 9:43:20 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: MarkLevinFan
...Go ahead--rub it in.

&*%$ Giants blew it again.

Good news is...I've got another home town team to root for(New York Jets...and they won their game against the hapless Vikings)...and I owe no allegiance to LOSERS.
115 posted on 12/18/2006 9:44:59 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Yesterday, Barber rushed for 75 yards on 19 carries.


116 posted on 12/18/2006 9:45:34 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: Jo Nuvark

Carter's an idiot. Not even the media takes him seriously anymore. This last bit about the jews not allowing him to speak at universities was over the top, even for the hit and run media types.


117 posted on 12/18/2006 9:45:58 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Sensei Ern

I hope you know that my "rapture" comment was
an attempt at humor. But while we're on the
subject... many church goers will be left behind
"spewed out" as it were for being luke warm.


118 posted on 12/18/2006 9:46:24 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
OK, right...Had to look it up..Carolina beat the Bears in the second round and then Seattle beat Carolina in the championship game...
119 posted on 12/18/2006 9:46:47 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: OldFriend

Hiya my friend.


120 posted on 12/18/2006 9:47:18 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: LibertyLee

Confusing huh? lol.


121 posted on 12/18/2006 9:49:01 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: A.Hun
Ted Kennedy Hunger Data [Jonah Goldberg, NRO]

From a reader:

I suspect someone has already sent this to you. If not, here’s the relevant data: http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/err11/err11.pdf

Turns out children were hungry at some time in 274,000 households (.7 % of households with children). On any given day, 40-50000 households (about 0.1%) had a hungry child.

Nothing to be proud of, but hardly the problem he makes it. His statistics aren’t about hunger, they’re about “food security”. The data he presented were households that, at some time (possibly once) during the year felt they had difficulty securing adequate food.

122 posted on 12/18/2006 9:49:11 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Great! Thank you!

How you doin!

Did you have a good weekend. Did you get my Christmas gift yet?
123 posted on 12/18/2006 9:49:33 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: MaestroLC

What was that bumper, the Theme Song Of Mentos?


124 posted on 12/18/2006 9:49:44 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Jo Nuvark

I knew you were in jest. And yes, there will be a lot left in the pews. Were I to hazard a guess, I would say that even in the most biblical church half the membership will be left behind, because their belief was either for personal gain, or was only a head belief.


125 posted on 12/18/2006 9:49:59 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

...How 'bout it? Bears go all the way?


126 posted on 12/18/2006 9:50:14 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: angcat

UPS is late. LOL. I'm doing well.


127 posted on 12/18/2006 9:50:34 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: aligncare

One game at a time.


128 posted on 12/18/2006 9:50:52 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Wasn't Time Magazine also responsible for the most hilarious cover ever:

"Its not just upbringing, men and women are born different.

129 posted on 12/18/2006 9:51:10 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: MaestroLC; MNJohnnie; Sensei Ern

All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.

-- George Orwell --


130 posted on 12/18/2006 9:51:55 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: aligncare

SUre, but they'll be stopped by the Saints. ;)


131 posted on 12/18/2006 9:52:02 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: aligncare
...How 'bout it? Bears go all the way?

Only if Grossman doesn't initiate any terrorist attacks. You know, lobbing those dirty bombs.

132 posted on 12/18/2006 9:52:13 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: UKRaddell
Hey there. Glad they caught the Ipswich murderer.

Must be a relief to the folks in the area.

133 posted on 12/18/2006 9:52:27 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
There are days I am a bit slow...this is one of them...Even though I DID hear Newt call for a plan for VICTORY and not withdrawal in Iraq--and have the transcript to prove it...
134 posted on 12/18/2006 9:52:48 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: MaestroLC
No child attending public school is a hungry child.

The more children on subsistence the more money to the school. They're not letting any slip through.

135 posted on 12/18/2006 9:53:34 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

...go ahead...go out on a limb...BEARS v SAN DIAGO?


136 posted on 12/18/2006 9:53:44 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Those who ARE fighting and for war against evil are labelled as redneck nuts who should not be given a gun.


137 posted on 12/18/2006 9:54:13 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: All
Kimberley the last caller just made it clear once again.

Sorry to all you 'Rush Loyalists Cubed'............ Rush could care not one bit about whether Hillary/Dem wins the Presidential election in 2008.

He has absolutely no interest in the winner of that election.

You lovers of this pretender should call him out.

He's in it for "Big Broadcast Excellence"

LOL

What a guy, yet you people listen to this fraud every day (and so do I -- for the comedy.)

And he could care less who wins the 2008 election. That is most likely a fact.

He's nothing but farce and sarcasm. What a hero.

Flame away.............

138 posted on 12/18/2006 9:54:18 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: LibertyLee
How doe's the Jaguar's playoff picture like look?
139 posted on 12/18/2006 9:54:20 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Sensei Ern
SUre, but they'll be stopped by the Saints. ;)

No way...did you see how the 'Aints got nailed by the Redskins? I am NOT convinced in the Saints beating a GOOD team (they have had a weak schedule befitting their terrible year last year) (Same with San Diego)...

140 posted on 12/18/2006 9:54:47 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: aligncare

No way. One game a time. LOL.


141 posted on 12/18/2006 9:54:54 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: OldFriend

At the minute opinion seems to be split on whether this guy is the actual killer or some local numpty.
Should become clearer in the next few days.


142 posted on 12/18/2006 9:55:31 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Dr.Deth

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/3326/mentsong.wav


143 posted on 12/18/2006 9:55:41 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: LibertyLee

NFC is the worst i have ever seen.


144 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:03 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MaestroLC

I accidentally watched some of the CNN program yesterday covering Time's selection process.

It was a bunch of Liberals sitting bashing anything to do with Bush, Cheny, Rummy, etc. There was no view from the right, or the middle, for that matter.


145 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:08 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Jaguars are now "on the bubble"...We need to beat New England at home and the Cheaps in Arrowhead and need help by someone knocking off either Denver or Cincinnatii...
146 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:41 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: LibertyLee

THey handed the Cowgirls their hat last week, and just kept rubbing it in until the end.


147 posted on 12/18/2006 9:56:48 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - TIme's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: MarkLevinFan

The Philadelphia Eagles have lift off. Good to get hot at the right time. See you at the Super Bowl!


148 posted on 12/18/2006 9:57:56 AM PST by globalwhiplash (so sad)
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To: Sensei Ern
Spiritual intervention, perhaps?
149 posted on 12/18/2006 9:58:13 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Sensei Ern

Every man's way is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. (Proverbs 21:2)


150 posted on 12/18/2006 9:58:37 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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