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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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To: Clint N. Suhks

Deer steaks for all!


61 posted on 12/18/2006 9:19:55 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Chris Wallace to Kennedy: "...hasn't welfare reform worked?"

Kennedy: "We have 36 million Americans that are going to bed hungry every night. 36 million Americans! And 12 million of those are children!"

Ted looks like he has not starved going to bed in quite a looooong time.

BTW, Mary Jo Kopechne unavailable for comment....

62 posted on 12/18/2006 9:19:58 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Here ... work N lurk mode ON.
63 posted on 12/18/2006 9:20:38 AM PST by sono (Ted Nugent For UN Ambassador)
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To: LibertyLee

They lost to the panthers in 05.


64 posted on 12/18/2006 9:21:26 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Jo Nuvark

At least you didn't do the Lot's daughters' move.


65 posted on 12/18/2006 9:21:35 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Buck and Ears almost made "Bear Steaks" yesterday!
66 posted on 12/18/2006 9:23:14 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season.)
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To: MaestroLC

I'm gonna barf.


67 posted on 12/18/2006 9:23:28 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: All

It was Dick Morris who wrote the "President Rodham" column.


68 posted on 12/18/2006 9:24:52 AM PST by paulat
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To: OldFriend

[... Newt and Powell need to shut their face...]

Add Carter to that list.


69 posted on 12/18/2006 9:25:06 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why doesn't anyone every challenge Kennedy's lies?


70 posted on 12/18/2006 9:25:29 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog

Cause he's a Dem.


71 posted on 12/18/2006 9:25:59 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

That's true. But Chris Wallace had a golden opportunity to cram it back down Kennedy's throat. Too bad he didn't pull the trigger, so to speak.


72 posted on 12/18/2006 9:27:01 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1748968/posts

Dick Morris: Hillary wants to be 'President Rodham'


73 posted on 12/18/2006 9:27:23 AM PST by paulat
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To: Sensei Ern

Hey Sensei...

No. I left California and did not look back.
Being without power wasn't so bad. The scouting
thing kicked into gear and we stayed warm, fed,
informed and illuminated.


74 posted on 12/18/2006 9:27:32 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Shady land dealing, thy name is Barak Hussein Obama

By Rorschach | Lone Star Times | December 18, 2006 Monday 2:43 PM EST

Dec. 18, 2006 (Lone Star Times delivered by Newstex) -- In 2005, Barak Obama purchased his swanky Chicago mansion for $300,000 below asking price. the wife of Tony Rezko, a Chicago property developer who had befriended and funded Senator Obama since the 1990s, bought adjoining land at the full price of $US625,000. Senator Obama went on to purchase a small strip of that land from the Rezkos for $US104,500, a fair market rate. That in of itself raises eyebrows, but there is more:

In October this year, Mr Rezko, an ally of the Governor of Illinois, was indicted for trying to obtain nearly $US5 million in kickbacks from firms that wanted to do business with the state. The US Attorney, Patrick Fitzgerald, said the charges against him revealed a "frenzy of corrupt scheming". Mr Rezko denies all the allegations.

Senator Obama knew Mr Rezko could be in trouble, yet it was he who drew the property developer's attention to the available land. The transaction was not illegal, but it has led to speculation that Senator Obama obtained a large house surrounded by an expanse of green land at a knock-down price.

While denying that inference, Senator Obama has expressed regret about the appearance of impropriety. "It was a mistake to be engaged with (Mr Rezko) at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him or anyone else to believe he had done me a favour," he told the Chicago Sun-Times.

By the standards of the Windy City, home to the former mobster Al Capone, the land sale is small beer, but it runs counter to Senator Obama's image as a politician of rare integrity.

Also, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/16/AR2006121600729.html

75 posted on 12/18/2006 9:28:00 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: rottndog

Kennedy would have fell out of his chair.


76 posted on 12/18/2006 9:28:14 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Clinton a sex addict....Say it ain't so...


77 posted on 12/18/2006 9:29:29 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog

I just want someone to question Fat Ted about the recent revelations that he was passing info to the KGB in an effort to beat Jimmah.


78 posted on 12/18/2006 9:30:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Happy Monday Godfather............


79 posted on 12/18/2006 9:30:36 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: rottndog; rush

He got his "counseling" from Jesse.


80 posted on 12/18/2006 9:31:13 AM PST by Roccus (Dealing with Politicians IS the War on Terror.)
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