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To Work at 16
The New york Sun ^ | 12/21/06 | JOHN McWHORTER

Posted on 12/21/2006 1:58:44 PM PST by globalwhiplash

"Did I mention that I'm a high school dropout?

Not that it has been much of a problem: I do have a bachelor's and some other degrees. After 10th-grade, I entered Simon's Rock Early College, affiliated with Bard, where students start college work at age 15 or 16. I missed the prom, thank God, and learned to drive a little late, but otherwise I'm doing pretty well.

The report on reforming our school system just released by the New Commission on the Skills of the American Workforce urges that my experience be less unusual for American students. One of its main ideas is that mandatory schooling begin at age 3 and end after 10th-grade..."

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


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Why are they keeping kids till 12th grade when they just don't care. If you're gonna have sex, drink booze, maybe get a job to support all those activities, and you got an IQ of 92, then you don't need high school.
1 posted on 12/21/2006 1:58:47 PM PST by globalwhiplash
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To: globalwhiplash

Don'tcha just hate these inconvenient laws and rules and stuff? With an IQ of 92, the world will beat a path to your stoop!


2 posted on 12/21/2006 2:00:46 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: globalwhiplash; Darksheare; darkwing104; MikefromOhio

Whoo-boy.


3 posted on 12/21/2006 2:01:33 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Average IQ is by design 100. That doesn't mean much until you have to think.


4 posted on 12/21/2006 2:04:46 PM PST by globalwhiplash (so sad)
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To: globalwhiplash
They should bring back vocational/technical schools.

Say what you will about France, but they determine pretty early on which track(s) students should take, and students who are not academically inclined aren't given a bill of goods about how important a college education is. They are sent to schools where they learn skills that they are suited for.

5 posted on 12/21/2006 2:05:19 PM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: globalwhiplash

I'm leery of the psychologists and teachers unions getting their paws into younger kids. I can understand the underpriveleged (higher chance of bad parenting) going to school earlier, but not everyone.


6 posted on 12/21/2006 2:13:19 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: kellynch
They should bring back vocational/technical schools.

As an educator I totally agree. As to the argument that students are not mature or smart enough to choose a path, I say so we will choose one for them. Most of these students have unrealistic goals of being rappers or music producers anyway. In my opinion, it wouldn't hurt to force them into a vocation just in case they do not become the next famous whatever. May reduce the future welfare rolls.

7 posted on 12/21/2006 2:14:42 PM PST by WesternPacific
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To: globalwhiplash

I think it's a great idea. I'd love to see more option for 15-16 year olds. A lot of them want the education, but they don't want to deal with the slow, dumbed-down pace of today's classrooms. I was so bored in high school because I could master a lot of the information quickly, but we couldn't move on until the majority of the class got the concept. I really think the whole concept of schooling needs to radically change in our country.


8 posted on 12/21/2006 2:15:22 PM PST by kcbc2001
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To: WesternPacific

Would you agree that 75% of kids that do poorly in school simply DON'T CARE and nothing will make them learn?


9 posted on 12/21/2006 2:15:40 PM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: RockinRight

75% is probably a low estimate.


10 posted on 12/21/2006 2:21:56 PM PST by WesternPacific
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Not caring doesn't necessarily mean they won't learn, it could just mean they don't like learning the school's way. I was frequently too busy reading history books and learning free form to be bothered with school work.
11 posted on 12/21/2006 2:21:57 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: kellynch
I am WAY leery of letting some "guidance counselor" with the IQ of a carrot and the politics of Stalin decide where 12 year olds should go to learn a living. I've run into too many so-called "educators" who I wouldn't trust with a sharp object.

To admire France because they force fit pegs into holes as Socialist parts of some grand government-run economic model is, well, A STEAMING COW PATTY!!!

12 posted on 12/21/2006 2:23:35 PM PST by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: globalwhiplash

Start school at three? What the heck are they going to do with those toddlers, drug them? Three is a great age for teaching kids one-on-one. It's not a good age for teaching them collectively.

Yet another reason to homeschool! We can be done at 16, too, and with less brainwashing.


13 posted on 12/21/2006 2:23:50 PM PST by JenB
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To: discostu

I did a fair amount of that myself.


14 posted on 12/21/2006 2:25:07 PM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: discostu

My son is like that too.

I assume you turned out OK?

;-)


15 posted on 12/21/2006 2:26:28 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: kellynch
They should bring back vocational/technical schools.
 
Bring me up to speed.  Where did the vocational / technical schools go?  I hired a lot of people with assiciate degrees in electronics.  I have a grandson with an associate degree in aircraft mechanics from Embry/Riddle.  advertisments on TV for all kinds of technical schools, from massage therapy to computer sciences.  Oh, I forgot, my son has an associate degree in information technology, and is making a 6 figure income.
 
So when you say "They should bring back vocational/technical schools", I get confused.

16 posted on 12/21/2006 2:35:47 PM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: fanfan

It all seems to have worked out OK. Eventually I learned to do the things that bore me in life, though I still spend a lot more time learning whatever stuff I'm finding interesting today, I just do what I'm paid for first.


17 posted on 12/21/2006 2:36:00 PM PST by discostu (we're two of a kind, silence and I)
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To: globalwhiplash
Obviously, however, the solution is not to strand students with an eighth-grade education as it currently stands in America. Rather, education should be "front-loaded." In much less time than we take students' time up with now, they could be given a substantial but no-nonsense education tooled to preparing them to be productive citizens. This can be done without the pretense that any but a few Americans need to be plied with "book learning" over several years beyond this basic toolkit.

Sounds good.

The main reform: ending compulsory government schooling and funding for same.

18 posted on 12/21/2006 2:39:23 PM PST by secretagent
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To: globalwhiplash

I'm thinking that the longer kids stay in some public schools, the less educable they become.


19 posted on 12/21/2006 2:40:59 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: kcbc2001

I'm with you! I experienced the same thing in my school years and now I have a son who's in the same boat. He aces the tests but is soooo bored with doing the same classroom excersizes day after day, therefore doesn't do them. But by God those lamebrains in the school system know my child better than I do and think that he should be held back... wah????


20 posted on 12/21/2006 2:42:17 PM PST by g33k355 ("He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.")
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