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'Only military action can stop Iran'
Jpost.com ^ | 21 Dec 06 | Unknown

Posted on 12/21/2006 8:04:18 PM PST by elhombrelibre

'Only military action can stop Iran'

In a dramatic conclusion concerning the future of the state of Israel, the latest edition of the Middle East Strategic Balance, compiled by the Jaffe Center for Strategic Studies (JCSS) and released to the public on Thursday, calls for military action to stop Iran's nuclear program.

Prepared annually by JCSS at Tel Aviv University, the Middle East Strategic Balance provides an authoritative and indispensable guide to strategic developments and military capabilities in the Middle East by offering a comprehensive, insightful assessment of the complex strategic environment of the Middle East. The report is considered something of a bible for military analysts who follow developments in the region.

The 2005-2006 edition was compiled by former IAF Intelligence officer Yiftah Shapir and Brig.-Gen. (ret.) Zvi Shatuber. Shatuber is a former ambassador to the United Kingdom and was a member of Israeli delegations to peace talks with Syria and the Palestinians.

"Our conclusion is that without military action you won't be able to stop Iran," Shtauber told The Jerusalem Post Thursday.

The United Nations Security Council is set to vote Friday on a sanctions resolution against Iran, which has been revised in response to Russian objections. The latest draft, if approved, would order all countries to ban the supply of specified materials and technology that could contribute to Iran's nuclear and missile programs. The proposed sanctions would also include freezing the assets of a list of companies and individuals involved in the country's nuclear and missile programs.

Despite the impending vote and increased diplomatic action, Shtauber said he believed it was too late for sanctions. "There is no longer a possibility for effective sanctions to stop Iran," he said.

Shapir recently told the Post that Israel has the military capability to destroy at least part of Iran's nuclear installations to the point that it would be possible to delay Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons.

Earlier in the week, Mossad chief Meir Dagan said that Iran had recently increased efforts to enrich nuclear fuel. Dagan estimated that Iran would be able to begin building a nuclear bomb by 2009.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran

1 posted on 12/21/2006 8:04:20 PM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

"There is no longer a possibility for effective sanctions to stop Iran,"

We knew this, it's time for diplomacy by other means.


2 posted on 12/21/2006 8:41:45 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
A great Conservative philosopher once said, "Where there is no alternative there is no problem." It's time to put the angst and the hand wringing behind us and plan the right military actions that assure Iran doesn't get nuclear weapons.
3 posted on 12/21/2006 8:46:04 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Of course,
Bypass Baghdad and start cross boarder action against Iran.
We're in the Middleeast for our interests not the Iraquis.


4 posted on 12/21/2006 8:47:12 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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Starting a revolution by attacking their C&C and Security forces could cause enough disruption to allow seizing/destroying all Iran's nuclear assets with less risk.


5 posted on 12/21/2006 8:50:27 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: elhombrelibre

I am about to agree


6 posted on 12/21/2006 8:51:40 PM PST by Biscuit85 (I hate CNN!)
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To: Biscuit85

Military action on Iran? Okay good. Then it's time for the Libs to ante-up. Come on you Marxist patriots, let's get with the program and show us how it's done. Meanwhile, we'll bring the REAL soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen home to help us fight in the streets.


7 posted on 12/21/2006 8:54:34 PM PST by brushcop (Men of B-Co 2/69 3ID, do you now feel betrayed after all your efforts & sacrifices in Iraq?)
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To: elhombrelibre

This time let the Euro trash stop the Iranians. They are the ones withing range of the Iranian missiles. Just our way of saying "Thanks for your support in the initial stages of Afghanistan and in Iraq."


8 posted on 12/21/2006 9:04:13 PM PST by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: Sam Ketcham
>>>This time let the Euro trash stop the Iranians. <<<

Surely you say that in jest!!

9 posted on 12/21/2006 9:18:07 PM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I've said right along that a real shot at "peace" in Iraq is predicated on the invasion and overthrow of the scumbags in Iran and Syria who are not only supporting terrorists in Iraq but Lebanon,Palestine and other parts of the world. Until this garbage is hung out to dry there will be strong terrorist activity in the Middle East and the rest of the world !!!


10 posted on 12/21/2006 9:21:03 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

We should turn the tables on them and support rebels in their countries. But, if necessary, we should bomb their military infrastructure.


11 posted on 12/21/2006 9:41:27 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: elhombrelibre

"Our conclusion is that without military action you won't be able to stop Iran," Shtauber told The Jerusalem Post Thursday."

How does Israel propose to stop Iran unless they decide to use "unconvential" weapons.


12 posted on 12/21/2006 9:59:20 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: elhombrelibre

This is Jimmy Carter's mess - maybe we should let that old fool go clean it up?


13 posted on 12/21/2006 9:59:33 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: elhombrelibre
Our conclusion is that without military action you won't be able to stop Iran

What an amazing and novel conclusion. Who knew?

14 posted on 12/21/2006 10:01:36 PM PST by Torie
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To: 353FMG

I don't know. I don't see how they could mount a sustained air campaign, but I hope they can.


15 posted on 12/21/2006 10:02:37 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: The Duke

Yeah, that's going to happen. His plan is to screw things up, not help, as I'm sure you know.


16 posted on 12/21/2006 10:03:26 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: Torie

Everyone who thought it through and was willing to do more than hope for sanctions and diplomacy to work.


17 posted on 12/21/2006 10:04:22 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: Obie Wan
It's a fact that the capitol of Syria is the oldest continuously occupied city in the world. My apologies to China, which probably has many older cities. One of the oldest known synagogues is located in Damascus. They also found the oldest copy of the Bible in one of it's run down/burned down churches. Half of all the arabs who have immigrated to the US are actually christians who fled the increasingly genocidal jihadists who live there.

Several times in the Bible we are told that "Damascus will become a ruinous heap, never to be inhabited again" Now I don't know that "never occupied anymore" is due to radioactivity,or biological agents, gas etc,,, but something makes neither man nor beast seek shelter in that city.

We are told that we are living in days which resemble the days of Noah. Days where we are warned "Do not harm the wine or the oil" Since most all nations in the ME seem to be floating in oil, where else would be logical target to strike if we wanted the muslim world's attention, but did not want to blow up the oil production facilities we need?

Finally, Damascus has been a terrorist's haven from most all despicable foreign governments doing dirty work worldwide. With so-dam-mad "the pitiful" out of his spider hole in Iraq and all set to swing from a rope soon, there are few places for a Sunni guy to party these days.

These are just my incoherant ramblings, but I personally think that if GWB intends to remain and or become an American hero, he will hit them so damn hard the entire arab world will instantly understand. Allah ain't shit folks, we just let an arab capitol get melted by an American nuke.

The arab world has no tradition of civil rights, voting rights, equal rights,gay rights; HaHaHa! "habeas corpus" is the mass grave where your family was raped, brutalized and burned to death by the army or the local police for entertainment sake!

Pan-arabia "the caliphate" however does know "HAMMA RULES" ask anybody that can read ( about 10%) in any fly infested hellhole arab country you pick and they will tell you all about Hamma, a Syrian city of 100,000 that was totally destroyed in 1980's by the Syrian army, because of terrorist activity by "The Muslim Brotherhood" the pioneering movement behind the present fanatics.

Please Mr. President bitch slap Damascus so hard that they too will remember. Hell they'll be too afraid to even look in the direction of the stick.

Unless I'm misreading the current state of affairs entirely, GWB has a date with destiny. If he surrenders our nation to Mexico and suddenly lets 25 million people here illegally become voters, he had better give his new citizens a country that doesn't take any crap from Mexico City,or the "fanatics" in the ME.

I'll guarantee that if America laid down the "law" in Damascus there would no longer be any talk of growing up as a Mexican-American, Black-American, Indian-American etc,,, Just give us one country we can be proud of because she's strong and she fights to protect freedom loving people worldwide.

You call that Hamma business cold blooded Mr. Assad, I'll show you what a righteous Western democracy can play in the sandbox like Mister! I'm so tired of being called the "Big Satan" for all these long years,I need to step into my character before I lose the role.

By the way Muhammad, Bow down and face Washington DC when you say that Buddy!

18 posted on 12/21/2006 10:54:28 PM PST by STD (Rough Sailing Directly Ahead)
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To: STD

Awesome, you gave me the chills


19 posted on 12/22/2006 12:18:40 AM PST by SoCalledTragedy
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20 posted on 12/22/2006 4:36:32 AM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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To: elhombrelibre; melancholy; ExTexasRedhead; Marysecretary
"'Only military action can stop Iran'"

AMEN!!

21 posted on 12/22/2006 4:44:22 AM PST by Nancee
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To: elhombrelibre
A great Conservative philosopher once said, "Where there is no alternative there is no problem." It's time to put the angst and the hand wringing behind us and plan the right military actions that assure Iran doesn't get nuclear weapons.

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Were it only so. The alternative, for a majority of Americans is capitulation. Many have already opted for that alternative. I pray our president does not accede to their wishes.
22 posted on 12/22/2006 4:50:54 AM PST by photodawg
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To: Mr. Peabody
We're in the Middleeast for our interests not the Iraquis...

I've always said this war has nothing to do with Sadaam, nothing to do with freeing Iraq people, nothing to do with conventional winning of a conventional war.

It's always been about:

1. Create a battlespace of our choosing far from NYC and San Diego.

2. Make it a geography so valuable that the thousands of terrorists (rats) in hiding world wide will want to come out of hiding to fight there and die, there. Not sneak out in NYC and Chicago to wage war here. (Cheeze in the trap)

As soon as we pull out of the region, where do you think the remaining and newly recruited terrorists are going to go to wage their war?

The war must stay the course for at least a generation. Or until the taste of freedom and peace takes hold like it did in the Soviet block to win the cold war.

23 posted on 12/22/2006 4:55:13 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: STD

I like your posting,I like it a lot !!!


24 posted on 12/22/2006 5:29:39 AM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Nancee

Only GOD can stop Iran. Now He may use military action or He may do something supernatural.


25 posted on 12/22/2006 10:08:16 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary
"Only GOD can stop Iran. Now He may use military action or He may do something supernatural."

This is true!!

26 posted on 12/22/2006 10:47:51 AM PST by Nancee
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To: elhombrelibre
'Only military action can stop Iran'

In that case I hope we have contingency plans for a peaceful relationship with a nuclear Iran...

27 posted on 12/22/2006 3:17:00 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
In that case I hope we have contingency plans for a peaceful relationship with a nuclear Iran...

If I'm not mistaken, the available options are:

1. Convert
2. Die

28 posted on 12/22/2006 3:24:36 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
1. Convert - Personally that would happen when he!! freezes over due to "global warming".

2. Die - Not by the hands of those who promote the "Religion of Peace" as a death wish.

Jesus Christ will be the path of my destiny even if a weapon has to be pried out of my cold stiff hand by an evil entity.

29 posted on 12/22/2006 3:40:40 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS

Exactly. So many of us here forget the God factor. He has the final say. I'm not going to agonize over Islam or any other religion that wants to kill us. We'll die when and where God says we will. Period.


30 posted on 12/22/2006 8:43:13 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: tet68
"...We knew this, it's time for diplomacy by other means..."

Absolutely agree! And some 'field' diplomacy is coming right up!

Merry Christmas, tet68!..................FRegards

31 posted on 12/22/2006 8:46:27 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: elhombrelibre
A great Conservative philosopher once said, "Where there is no alternative there is no problem."

James Burnham. One of his "laws," and it's a good one, as is Mark Steyn's recently coined phrase, "least worst option."

With Iran, however, there are still alternatives, such as fomenting increased unrest among the students who heckled Ahneedajihad this week.

Also, Israel embarking on a military strike against Egypt would have the unpleasant side-effect of playing into the the Mullahcracy's hands, and generally uniting the ME region against all non-Islamics. A nice collection of targets, perhaps, but not a pretty problem to try to solve.

32 posted on 12/22/2006 8:50:43 PM PST by r9etb
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To: STD
You started good, but you went off the rails about 1/3 of the way through, IMO.

It's entirely possible that Damascus becomes uninhabitable, but if it does so it's because Israel reaches its last extremity in its final war.

33 posted on 12/22/2006 8:53:57 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

I'm sure you meant Iran and not Egypt.


34 posted on 12/23/2006 8:44:01 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: elhombrelibre
I'm sure you meant Iran and not Egypt.

I did ... sheesh. I have no idea why I said "Egypt."

35 posted on 12/23/2006 10:40:09 AM PST by r9etb
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To: elhombrelibre
The only way we stopped Hitler was taking the war to Berlin. The only way the Islamo-nazis controlling Iran will be defeated is take it to Tehran - before the enemy gets the Bomb!


36 posted on 12/23/2006 11:33:10 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: r9etb

I've done that a few times myself where there seems to be a disconnect between what the mind is thinking and what the hands are typing.


37 posted on 12/23/2006 11:48:00 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: M. Espinola
I guess what a strategist would ask is where is Iran's center of gravity. In this case, what we'd hope to achieve isn't necessarily regime change. We would want to preclude Iran's emergence as a nuclear power with regional hegemony, which would allow it to pull the smaller Arab states into its orbit, further foment terror, and in general become a security and energy threat. If we only want to stop that from happening, then a sustained bombing campaign that eliminates Iran's military infrastructure, its nuclear research facilities, and its police and intelligence services that support terror would be the way to go. Frankly, we do not today have an army large enough to occupy Iran. And there is no reason to do so, as I see it. The toughest thing, however, is to convince the American people and much of the world that it's necessary. It seems like common sense to me, but I cannot see allowing the world's cruelest and nuttiest people to have nuclear weapons. Our politicians will have to be forthright soon with the public so that they can brace themselves and support this action. Sadly, Russia could be much more helpful, but is choosing profits and mischief instead. The DNC and the MSM have done much to assure the public feels war weary and defeatist. That's something very difficult to change, but we'd have to overcome those sentiments if we were to protect ourselves from Iran.
38 posted on 12/23/2006 11:59:22 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: Marysecretary

Second the motion, call for the question..


39 posted on 12/23/2006 12:07:29 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: HardStarboard
No, not in jest. It is the Euros turn to spend their treasure and blood to defend themselves. Right now the UK isn't in the Iranians sights,they, the Poles and Spain, possibly Italy deserve our protection with a missile shield. Let the French, Germans, Austrians etc spend their treasure and blood. We've done enough for them. Can't wait until those treacherous Ruskies are in there as well. Perhaps we could supply some leader ship with Ted Kennedy et al. Heck, Specter would make it a by-something support. Those Euro clowns would be as much help as the aforementioned have been to us and world peace.
40 posted on 12/23/2006 2:54:12 PM PST by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: USCG SimTech

You're absolutely right.
We've lost sight of this.


41 posted on 12/23/2006 10:06:27 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: elhombrelibre; All
"If we only want to stop that from happening, then a sustained bombing campaign that eliminates Iran's military infrastructure, its nuclear research facilities, and its police and intelligence services that support terror would be the way to go. Frankly, we do not today have an army large enough to occupy Iran. And there is no reason to do so, as I see it."

I fully agree with each point. Iran & Syria have been instigating the Shi'ite card in Iraq, while the Saudi Wahhabists fund various Sunni terrorist groups in their ongoing inter-Islamic war.

The main problem is our troops and that of the Coalition, are all 'infidel' targets of choice for murder from both fanatical sects of Islam in Iraq, instigated into civil war by 'outsiders' (Sunni & Shi'ite ruled Opec mega-funded powers).

One geostrategic & economic card we need to be playing, if we are not already, is continued 'assistance' directed at dis Iranian based ethnic groups strife targeting the Tehran dictatorship coupled with disruptions of the very fuel bankrolling the Mullah's police state, including funding Hezballah, Hamas and Shi'ite terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan and beyond.

Let's face it Iranian agents have been sabotaging Iraq's oil infrastructure while Iranian crude oil and natural gas continues flowing to overseas customers, raking in the more billions (Euros) for Iran's global jihad.

The bulk of Iran's land based oil reserves are located in southwestern Khuzestan Provence running along the southeastern border of Iraq. Although much of Iran's oil wealth comes from Khuzestan Province, an inordinate share of that wealth goes to Tehran and other parts of the country, which makes for ticked off non-Persian Khuzestan population.

Much of the population in Khuzestan Provence is Arab, fed up with the continuous brutality & employment discrimination by the jihadist Persian rulers based rather far away in Iran's northern capitol city of Tehran.

All of Iran's ethnic minorities -- Arabs, Azeris, Baluchis, Kurds, or Turkmen -- have grievances that relate to the regime's harsh policies. Just the Iranian Arab population alone amounts to approximately 2.07 million (3 percent of the total population of 69 million). These non-Persian minorities must be supported by Allied forces stationed in Iraq & Afghanistan coupled with additional forms of assistance through other external sources, included giving various types of aid to Iranian Persians living/based in the US/UK/Canada & elsewhere who want the Mullahs overthrown, with the end goal of undoing the economic backwardness of the horrific, war torn Khomeini era which began in 1979, and that of his ruling nuclear weapons crazed fanatical followers.

I believe one of the reasons the Taliban were toppled, in addition to 9-11, was Afghanistan is directly on Iran's eastern border, plus the future utilization old Soviet airbases which could be quickly modernized, as has been the case in Herat, plus other air bases all over Afghanistan.

Saddam's dictatorship fell second, thus surrounding Iran on three fronts, including her long southern coastline with the Persian Gulf were Allied navies patrol, awaiting orders, hopefully in near future to take out Ahmadinejad and his entire rat pack.

Origin of the name Khuzestan The name Khuzestan, which means "The Land of the Khuzi" (see Dehkhoda), refers to the original inhabitants of this province, the Khuzi people. The name Ahvaz also has the same origin as the name Khuzestan. (ibid.)

"The province, however, has also been called Arabistan or Arabestan at times, particularly starting during the reign of Tahmasp I in the 16th century, after the Arab Muhammad ibn Falah, leader of the Msha'sha'iya, initiated a wave of attacks on Khuzestan in AD 1440, leading to a gradual increase in the Arab population of Khuzestan. (See [1], [2], [3] and [4]. Also see [5] under "Al-Ahwaz (Arabistan)".) "

Historically Khuzestan is what historians refer to as ancient Elam, whose capital was in Susa, and in previous ages... Source

Iran hangs "Arab separatists"

Iran said to have executed Arab trio for 'waging war on God'

Second Iranian ethnic breakdown map

Another reason for bring down the jihadist Mullah controlled régime is the U.S. Dollar. If key Opec members of the expanded Axis of Evil continue as well as entice others to join their anti-USD, pro-Euro crusade 2007 will be a very bearish year for the USD, yet for bullish for the Euro.

Iran-Venezuela sign 211m-euro oil tanker deal

(Red) China, Iran sign $16 bln gas deal

"The toughest thing, however, is to convince the American people and much of the world that it's necessary."

More insane anti-American bashing Ahmadinejad including ultra-rash actions from Tehran just might sway sufficient numbers in the American polls allowing for a green light to do what should have already been accomplished.

As our elected officials drone & debate, Israel might be required to take prompt steps to guarantee her very national survival, similar to the air attack on Saddam's French built Osirik nuclear facility in 1981. In Iran's case the objectives are multiple and some underground hardened sites.

It's far better if the present Coalition d undertakes this necessary endevour with air and sea power - preferably real soon.

42 posted on 12/25/2006 1:20:37 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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