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More Conservatives Mull 08 Bid, But May Lack That Wow Factor
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 22 December 2006 | Staff

Posted on 12/22/2006 4:55:22 AM PST by shrinkermd

Former Virginia Gov. James Gilmore added his name to the list of GOP White House hopefuls this week, saying the field lacks a real conservative capable of winning...

He brings to seven the number of Republicans who have said they will run or will consider running.

Heretofore the field has been dominated by three moderates: Arizona Sen. John McCain, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and outgoing Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

McCain and Giuliani have topped most polls. Both bested all top Democrats in a recent Rasmussen poll. Giuliani had the best favorability rating — 71% — vs. McCain’s 59%.

Neither McCain nor Giuliani excites GOP conservatives, who also question Romney’s conversion on abortion and gay rights...

“Probably 95%-plus of conservative decision makers, the key people in the Republican nominating process, don’t know Gilmore,” said Richard Viguerie

Brownback is counting on social conservatives. He won his seat in 1996 vowing to “reduce, reform and return” — reduce the size of government, reform Congress and return to traditional values. Limited-government conservatives say he hasn’t done much to reduce or reform. “He’s a lot like Bush,” said GOP pollster Michael McKenna. “He sees a problem and his first inclination is to toss money at it.”

Calif. Rep. Duncan Hunter, who headed the House Armed Services Committee, is a defense hawk who has differed with Bush over trade and immigration.

Winning the White House from the House of Representatives is considered a political impossibility. Few congressmen can claim a base big enough to do it

(Excerpt) Read more at epaper.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: candidates; potus; pubbie
Maybe I will meet a different girl at the dance.
1 posted on 12/22/2006 4:55:25 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Wow factor? As opposed to "Wow, we're screwed!" with Hillary, Ragin' McCainiac and RINO Guiliani?

I will be honest, I had a nightmare I had to vote for the latter two of the three last night. I can't believe I actually dreamed about it, I've not really been thinking about it or anything. It was random. BTW - I woke up sick this morning. I suspect it's telltale why.

I suspect this will be a reoccuring nightmare for many people.

2 posted on 12/22/2006 5:01:41 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Does anyone know what Gilmore's stand is on illegal immigration? Brownback, though I like his philosophy on social issues, disqualifies himself by his close ties to the slave labor lobby.

Until I know a little more about Gilmore, I have to say Duncan Hunter is the best of the declared candidates so far; Mitt Romney the best among those who have a decent chance of winning.

3 posted on 12/22/2006 5:09:19 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman

Gilmore's pretty conservative across the board, including illegals. He just doesn't froth at the mouth. Lacking a WOW factor? You bet.

TC


4 posted on 12/22/2006 5:22:47 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: shrinkermd

Brownback is also so pro-Mexico that if you hit him with a stick, little toys fall out of him.


5 posted on 12/22/2006 5:29:10 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Caipirabob

Message to the GOP from this right winger: So far, it's none of the above!

Put some down-to-earth strong conservative minded candidates out there. Get 'em out there NOW.

Right now if I had to pick one person for President it would be Rick Santorum. If he doesn't run, he better get his ass up to NYS and run for office here. Uh.. please.


6 posted on 12/22/2006 5:38:16 AM PST by Made In The USA (Bacon is infidelicious)
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To: Made In The USA

Republicans started committing slow suicide when they failed to carry out the promises in the Contract With America.

The fact that McCain, Guiliani, and Romney are the best the GOP can come up with only indicates that the final wrist-slitting is underway.


7 posted on 12/22/2006 5:59:29 AM PST by colonel mosby
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To: shrinkermd
There were too many conservatives in 2000 who cancelled each other out and left us with McCain and Bush. I'd like to not have that happen again.

Were it too happen again, we'll have the nightmare scenario of McCain and Guiliani having the most money out there and the most free coverage on the MSM and all the recognition. It'll be a lesser-of-two-evils primary season.

That would bode well for Hillary.

8 posted on 12/22/2006 6:05:20 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Caipirabob
Neither McCain nor Giuliani excites GOP conservatives...

Au contraire. (kindly excuse the French)

Julie-Annie gets me VERY excited.

Frothing at the mouth, jumping up and down, head spinning on my neck, excited - in that a gun-grabbing, pro homo, pro abortion LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who has the morals of a feral cat would even be allowed to call himself a Republican, let alone be considered as a GOP POTUS nominee.

That sob should be shunned and ostracized. And told in no uncertain terms to go back where he belongs -- the RAT party, from whence he came.

(no offense meant to Feral Cats)

9 posted on 12/22/2006 6:23:13 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Condor51
(Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)

He did.

He's not my ideal, but when you consider the alternative...


10 posted on 12/22/2006 6:40:41 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Vigilanteman

I think Duncan Hunter may not have the pretty boy factor, like Mitt Romney, but I really like the Army Ranger, presidential way about him. It's going to be important for the people to look at the candidate and think that is the person you could rely on for your safety. And Hunter is great and witty with what he says. He just cuts right to the issue. After all the complaining about how the GOP sits back and allows themselves to be attacked, Hunter calls the media/Demonrats out on it and that's what I really like about him.


11 posted on 12/22/2006 7:02:43 AM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRES. 2008)
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To: bushfamfan
Unfortunately, the pretty boy factor and the hair is worth a lot of votes among the dimwith soccer mom type swing voters. I like Mitt's resume and feel the best service he could do would be to know McCain out in the New Hampshire primary so the field is winnowed down to him and a real solid conservative, preferably Duncan Hunter.

If he can do that, I think he's earned at least second spot on a ticket. Even if he goes on to win the nomination, I think he's smart enough to pick a solid conservative for geographic as well as idealogical balance. Papa Bush was not a great president, but he did a solid job as VP to Reagan.

What I've seen of Duncan Hunter, I really like. He'd solid but doesn't foam at the mouth like Tom Tancredo. I just wonder whether he'll get any traction as a congressman.

12 posted on 12/22/2006 7:14:49 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: bushfamfan
know McCain out = knock McCain out

Sorry for the typo.

13 posted on 12/22/2006 7:15:43 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: shrinkermd

There is an opening for a conservative candidate in the primaries, but it needs to be someone who can rally the troops - by which I mean, most of the Republican Party and the independents. However, Reagan is dead.


14 posted on 12/22/2006 7:27:50 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: USS Alaska
That's not a hardhat, it's a Fireman's hat.

As to the 'alternative issue'. I don't prostitute my self, or my vote, so the scare tactic won't work. Ergo I will not vote for a person with whom I disagree with on every issue.

In addition, this nonsensical idea that "Only Rudy Can Save Us", is scary and dangerous. It's Cult Of Personality Worship, period. And the last politician who used that gambit, successfully I might add, was Adolph Hitler.

And I'll be damned if I voluntarily disarm for that s.o.b. and march around saying "Hail Rudy".

15 posted on 12/22/2006 7:43:08 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Condor51
As to the 'alternative issue'. I don't prostitute my self, or my vote, so the scare tactic won't work. Ergo I will not vote for a person with whom I disagree with on every issue.

Your logic worked pretty well in '06, the demonRATS agree that you should only vote for a purist.

We don't expect conservatives to "prostitute" themselves but if an honest evaluation of the real options is beyond your capability, good luck in your misery, only why make us suffer with you?

16 posted on 12/22/2006 7:52:19 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: shrinkermd

No chance. Giuliani is the only one who can win the general election. But Republican conservatives evidently believe that losing is a virtue so they will nonominate a certain loser. And we better get used to "President Clinton" once again. Just ridiculous.

I'm sick and damned tired of the conservative "base" determining the future of this party. When do we grow up and smell the dog crap? We're just giving the presidency away in 2008.


17 posted on 12/22/2006 8:36:21 AM PST by RichardW
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To: USS Alaska
Did you or are you serving on the USS Alaska? My son served on it too. From about 2001 to about 2003. He got assigned to it when it was still in dry dock in Bremerten, he was a cook. The other crew took it through the Panama Canal to Georgia to get loaded with its nukes. Then my son was with the crew that took it out for its first test run around the cape. He said they were 300 feet deep and it felt like they were on the surface, it was that rough.

After they crossed the equator, the captain surfaced and the guards went up on deck first with their guns for sharks and then the whole crew went swimming.

18 posted on 12/22/2006 8:43:18 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: colonel mosby
"they failed to carry out the promises in the Contract With America. "

They carried out every promise in the contract.

Are you lying or just stupid?

19 posted on 12/22/2006 8:45:58 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: RichardW
Giuliani is the only one who can win the general election.

Only? Romney's sole electibility ding is his LDS religion, which will fade as a concern as people become more familiar with the man. Giuliani has a host of negatives (starting with multiple divorces) that will only mount as the Dems/MSM ceaselessly harp

20 posted on 12/22/2006 9:42:06 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Made In The USA

I love Rick, Newt, Rudy and there it ends. Of course, Condi would bring some WOW but doesn't seem to want to go through the pain of running and being destroyed by the Libs. The fact is the WOW is with the Rats. And I fear that WOW will brainwash the braindead to vote for her, it, him.


21 posted on 12/22/2006 11:01:17 AM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: shrinkermd

Jim Gilmore? The one-term Governor of a state that hasn't went D in a Presidential election since 1964 that none-the-less turned the state over to the D's upon leaving office?

No thanks.


22 posted on 12/22/2006 11:25:04 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Plutarch

Romney is a flip-flopper; even more liberal than Teddy Kennedy when he ran against him for the Senate. That's less important than being divorced?


23 posted on 12/22/2006 2:17:20 PM PST by RichardW
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To: zbigreddogz

Even as VA was going red in presidential races, the Democrats have had a long-time stranglehold on the Governor's mansion. The only Republicans to break it recently have been Jim Gilmore and George Allen.


24 posted on 12/22/2006 3:17:07 PM PST by PikesPeakGOP (A conservative in 2008- Gilmore for President)
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To: Condor51
As to the 'alternative issue'. I don't prostitute my self, or my vote, so the scare tactic won't work. Ergo I will not vote for a person with whom I disagree with on every issue. In addition, this nonsensical idea that "Only Rudy Can Save Us", is scary and dangerous. It's Cult Of Personality Worship, period. And the last politician who used that gambit, successfully I might add, was Adolph Hitler. And I'll be damned if I voluntarily disarm for that s.o.b. and march around saying "Hail Rudy".

Good for you. I agree completely.

25 posted on 12/22/2006 3:33:44 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: USS Alaska
2006 was lost because of Neocon foriegn policy in the form of the Iraq War.
26 posted on 12/22/2006 3:34:44 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: RichardW
I'm sick and damned tired of the conservative "base" determining the future of this party.

Too bad. Whether you like it or not, it will happen. Get used to it or quit the Republican party.

27 posted on 12/22/2006 3:36:18 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: USS Alaska
Hilary Clinton can't win the presidency... unless the Republican party nominates a liberal loser like Rudy Giuliani.
28 posted on 12/22/2006 3:38:34 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Giant Conservative

Evidently you prefer to have socialism imposed on the U.S. then. You're just helping to elect Hillary. You wouldn't happen to be on her team, would you?


29 posted on 12/23/2006 7:47:05 AM PST by RichardW
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To: shrinkermd
What about Rick Santorum?
Many will say, "he can't win".
But, what if he did win?
We'd have a real conservative running the country and everybody would be required to attend Mass every day.
For all you Catholic bashers, I'm just kidding about the last part.
30 posted on 12/23/2006 8:01:17 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: shrinkermd

Wow isn't a word that I use for any of them - left or right.

My reactions for the current crop tend to be:
"I hope not!"
"I really hope not!"
"What a nightmare!"
"Oh No - that can't be true"
"Is this the best our country/leadership can do?"


31 posted on 12/25/2006 4:12:14 PM PST by kcbc2001
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To: RichardW
Evidently you prefer to have socialism imposed on the U.S. then. You're just helping to elect Hillary. You wouldn't happen to be on her team, would you?

I hear that same line virtually verbatim from everyone who believes as you do.

A real conservative can win the Presidency, that just isn't something you want to have happen, which is why you tell people that the Republican's only chance is to elect a social liberal.

That is a lie.

What do you want from a President? More war? The least popular thing people associate with the Republican party right now is Iraq, and the U.S. needs to leave the Middle East entirely ASAP.

32 posted on 12/26/2006 4:30:26 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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