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Illegal immigrants and their open-air church evicted from wealthy San Diego-area canyons (boo-hoo)
North County Times ^ | December 23, 2006 | ELLIOT SPAGAT

Posted on 12/24/2006 5:26:08 AM PST by radar101

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To: arthurus

"..........the bodies that house them have committed crimes."


Nonsense. The body is a vehicle controlled by the soul, inner being or whatever else you want to call it. By your logic, when that Muslim plowed through crowds of students a while back to "kill as many infidels as possible", it was the cars fault.


41 posted on 12/24/2006 9:17:50 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Condor51; moehoward; MinuteGal; BlessedBeGod; EnochPowellWasRight; JustaDumbBlonde; Don Corleone
The writer of this piece is in San Diego. He is very PRO-ILLGAL ALIEN.

Elliot Spagat of AP offers biased article on border watchers Here's the second paragraph of the AP article "Civilian patrols branch out, though poll finds opposition" from Elliot Spagat:

Many of the hundreds who make up the self-appointed civilian patrols monitoring the border to deter smuggling of people and drugs are unemployed or underemployed ex-military men who have long resented Mexicans who come to the United States illegally and, in their view, compete for jobs, crowd hospitals and schools and threaten English as the nation's dominant language.

Let's analyze that to the extent that our patience will allow. "Hundreds" implies at least two hundred, right? What subset of two hundred people would you consider "many"? Ten? No, that won't do. "Many" would have to be at the very least thirty or fourty. Did Spagat interview that many people and can he say they all share that profile?

And, is Spagat sure that the "resentment" is directed at the illegal aliens themselves? Even if some is directed at them, isn't most of it directed at those leaders who enable massive illegal immigration?

And, is it only "in their view" that those illegal aliens do the things specified, or aren't those facts?

The AP does mention some of the harrasment those on the other side inflicted on the border watchers, but I'm still waiting for anyone in the MSM to do a similar piece on the pro-Mexico, open borders types. It doesn't have to be a hit piece at all. Just something telling the truth would be very damaging to those who oppose the MMP and similar groups.

If the AP doesn't do that, shouldn't we just assume that they're completely biased? Let's send an email to feedback@ap.org and encourage them to provide their readers with the whole truth.

42 posted on 12/24/2006 11:09:55 AM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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To: radar101
This was a banner item in the San Diego Area papers.

Hell, this was big news way back in 2003 at Christmas time.

Migrant camps to be razed near Rancho Penasquitos
December 24, 2003

Though many migrant workers did not know it this week, city workers are preparing to evict them and raze their makeshift camps at McGonigle Canyon near Rancho Penasquitos.

San Diego police Officer Boris Martinez, the department's migrant liaison officer, said Tuesday that there have been complaints from neighbors about people living in the canyon. Martinez said he has notified Mexican Consul officials about the forthcoming evictions.

[see post 18]


43 posted on 12/24/2006 1:31:32 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: radar101
Llore a mi un rio.
45 posted on 12/24/2006 2:06:31 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: EnochPowellWasRight

Mahoney is not the Church. Mahoney is a disgrace but is not the Church and is not a reason for banning the Church from ministering to souls, wherever they are. Some Episcopalian ministers are outright antiAmerican and the next thing to Communists. That is not a legitimate reason for banning the Episcopalian Church from conducting services for unapproved people. Yall have some strange views about freedom of religion and the purposes of religion.


46 posted on 12/24/2006 3:16:07 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: MinuteGal
advise lawbreakers that while their souls are never disdained their bodies better shape up

And, I suspect, that is what should occur in the confessional, at least. Enforcing the law is not the responsibility of the Church and it is not for the Church to be directed by outside individuals who are miffed. The Catholic Church also has in its congregation practicing felons and Congressmen from Massachusetts. Would you ban the Church from ministering to people of whom you disapprove? Silly question. Obviously you would, at least for certain categories. Remember these people, by the act of wetbackery are not even felons. Their crime is defined in the law is misdemeanor, however reprehensible that is to you and me.

47 posted on 12/24/2006 3:31:16 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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"Mahoney is a disgrace but is not the Church and is not a reason for banning the Church from ministering to souls, wherever they are."

Ah, but the Church is doing more than just ministering to souls. It is aiding and abetting criminal enterprise in the temporal and secular realm in violation of its own Catechism for political purposes. Mahoney is not alone.

"That is not a legitimate reason for banning the Episcopalian Church from conducting services for unapproved people."

Who here is calling for banning the Catholic Church? I just wish it would stop breaking secular laws and ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO BREAK THE LAW in this instance. You don't minister to a thief by ignoring the crime he has committed - you encourage him to turn himself in.

"Yall have some strange views about freedom of religion and the purposes of religion."

You have some strange views as to what we've said on this matter.
48 posted on 12/25/2006 5:35:31 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: arthurus

"heir crime is defined in the law is misdemeanor, however reprehensible that is to you and me."

Unlawful REENTRY is a felony. Aiding and abetting illegal aliens is a felony. Identity theft and tax fraud are felonies.


49 posted on 12/25/2006 5:36:31 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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