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Reversal of Fortunes in Somalia: Mogadishu Siege
Threatwatch ^ | December 27, 2006 6:15 PM | Steve Schippert

Posted on 12/27/2006 4:23:54 PM PST by Popman

Ethiopia has emerged as the only nation willing to directly confront the al-Qaeda franchise Islamic Courts Union in Somalia, driving into the east African nation with tanks and pushing the Islamists and their fighters - including foreign terrorists poured in from around the Middle East - back to the eastern shores of Mogadishu.

After rolling though Somalia and driving the ICU out of Somali cities and towns along the way, Ethipian forces have pulled up and surrounded Mogadishu. A siege strategy like that once employed by the ICU on the last remaining Somali Transitional Federal Government (TFG) stronghold of Baidoa is being employed by Ethiopian forces. The stated intent is to avoid civilian losses.

But the Telegraph’s Mike Pflanz notes the likely futility of such a move “as Mogadishu sits on the Indian Ocean, allowing sympathetic foreign fighting forces to land on the beach to reinforce and re-arm” the Islamist forces via their al-Qaeda lifeline. An American-led naval blockade would greatly assist by sealing the fourth side of a three-sided Ethiopian siege effort.

But the United States is calling for a return to negotiations in Somalia, and it remains to be seen whether American naval forces will be ordered to assist the forward-leaning Ethiopian government and its unapologetic engagement of the Islamists seeking an al-Qaeda foothold on the Horn of Africa.

While noting American support of Ethiopian actions, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos also signaled a less than forward-leaning American approach to action on the Horn by also saying, “We’ve instructed our ambassadors in the region to meet with governments to urge them to pressure Somalis to return to the negotiating table. We do not believe this can be resolved on the battlefield.” The African Union has demanded an outright withdrawal of Ethiopian forces from Somalia.

Speaking to the UN Security Council Tuesday, Kofi Annan’s special representative to Somalia, Francois Lonseny Fall, echoed such demands and calls. “Unless a political settlement is reached through negotiations, Somalia, I am afraid, will face a period of deepening conflict and heightened instability, which would be disastrous for the long-suffering people of Somalia, and could also have serious consequences for the entire region,’’ he said.

But the long-suffering people of Somalia face even greater long-term perils – as does the rest of the region and the world – through resumed inaction that would allow the Islamic Courts Union and its al-Qaeda ‘management’ to continue its progress, allowing an al-Qaeda terrorist foothold and Taliban-style Islamist rule over the whole of Somalia.

It must be recognized by Western leaders – most notably the United States – that the coveted ‘negotiation process’ is what permitted the ICU to harvest Somali territory for al-Qaeda in the first place. Negotiation must take place after the Islamists will has been broken in Somalia by force alone, not beforehand. For force is the language they speak with and the only language they have an ear for.


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An American-led naval blockade would greatly assist by sealing the fourth side of a three-sided Ethiopian siege effort.

A couple of small vessels would be a nice show of support to tell those bastards where ever they go, we will be there.

1 posted on 12/27/2006 4:23:59 PM PST by Popman
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To: Popman

The US vessels are probably already there.

We have them in the area.

We know the threat.

We are friends with Ethiopia.

Sometimes the most effective efforts are the least publicized.


2 posted on 12/27/2006 4:26:37 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Popman
A couple of small vessels would be a nice show of support to tell those bastards where ever they go, we will be there.

Ditto to that.

3 posted on 12/27/2006 4:27:02 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: Popman
On the other hand...might it not be a good idea to let terrorists, keen to kill for Allah, float into Mogadishu? And how long will it be before many of the Clans turn on these idiotic religious NAZIS, start selling Khat, going to movies, going to sporting events, and killing these vicious thugs. It might be the perfect place for Taliban wannabees to go.
4 posted on 12/27/2006 4:28:16 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: Dog Gone
Shhhhhh!

We're.... uh.... fishing! That's right. Just a little R&R.

5 posted on 12/27/2006 4:28:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: Popman

What is the CAIR opinion on all this?????? Please somebody tell me??? AND....What is the opinion of Keith Ellison, D-Minn?????


6 posted on 12/27/2006 4:29:06 PM PST by Dallas59 (HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007!)
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To: Popman

Good for Ethiopia!
The terrorists cannot fight an actual battle...they hide behind women and children.
I hope we are supporting the efforts to clear these terrorists out of the country!


7 posted on 12/27/2006 4:31:48 PM PST by Angelas
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To: Popman

I would just like to throw in another Bush accomplishment here.

Bush has initiated efforts not just to improve our military here at home but to encourage friendly governments around the world to increase their military strength in order to supplement our common interests. Countries such as Australia, India, Canada, Poland and others have heeded this call.

Such improvements in allied positions has drastically increased American strength and influence globally despite the naysaying in the media.

The latest Ethiopian proxy win over the Islamofascists is further success in the more discree war against terrorism being waged on the African continent.

Good job President Bush.


8 posted on 12/27/2006 4:32:03 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Dog Gone
We are friends with Ethiopia.

I'd like to believe we are already there to help Ethiopia, but these days who really knows what back door deals are being pushed by the house of Saud.

I'm sure Jim Baker would sell them down the river faster than an ice cube in hell melts

9 posted on 12/27/2006 4:32:50 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Popman
Speaking to the UN Security Council Tuesday, Kofi Annan’s special representative to Somalia, Francois Lonseny Fall, echoed such demands and calls. “Unless a political settlement is reached through negotiations, Somalia, I am afraid, will face a period of deepening conflict and heightened instability, which would be disastrous for the long-suffering people of Somalia, and could also have serious consequences for the entire region,’’ he said.

Ummm... as opposed to what that has happened in the last 16 years? I'll place my bets with the Ethiopians.

10 posted on 12/27/2006 4:33:54 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Popman

Memo to Bush administration: Please take notes and observe how easily the Islamo-fascists cave when enough force is used against them. Now use this information and get out there and kick their ass!


11 posted on 12/27/2006 4:34:45 PM PST by Russ
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To: Popman

Knowing our gutless government, they will probably side with the terrorists and we and the U.N. will demand that Ethiopia remove its self from the area.


12 posted on 12/27/2006 4:35:48 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks.)
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To: Popman

"A couple of small vessels would be a nice show of support to tell those bastards where ever they go, we will be there."

This one would be just fine.....but the thread is full of folks who are all right with scrapping it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1758963/posts


13 posted on 12/27/2006 4:37:00 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Dallas59

Black American Muslims have always put Islam above color and heritage. Arabs and Muslims sold slaves and indeed still do long after the white Europeans and white Americans did. Black African slavery to the new world was largely ended because of the campaigning by white British Christians of an Evangelical bent. Today, as you probably know, black African Christians are brutally treated by Muslims with Darfur being a splendidly ignored example, and not a peep is heard from American Muslims of any color, or for that matter many self-proclaimed black American leaders who are ostensibly co-religionists of the victims in Darfur or many other parts of Africa. It's an interesting fact to that Christianity may be saved by black Africans who remain committed to an Orthodox non-watered down religion.


14 posted on 12/27/2006 4:37:49 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Free Syria and Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel will all be secure.)
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To: fish hawk
Knowing our gutless government, they will probably side with the terrorists and we and the U.N. will demand that Ethiopia remove its self from the area.

They've already come close to that -- with the State Department (Dr. Rice) already calling for Ethiopia to use 'restraint' and 'negotiate'.
15 posted on 12/27/2006 4:38:16 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Popman
"We do not believe this can be resolved on the battlefield.”

Translation: The good guys are too close to winning outright.

16 posted on 12/27/2006 4:38:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Popman

I still think a few AC-130H's would be a nice contribution. Circle Mogadishu, and open up on any obvious hostiles. Make the seige press all the more closely.

And forget the blockade as such: just have combat air patrols sink any Mogadishu-bound boat or ship.


17 posted on 12/27/2006 4:41:15 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: TomGuy
It makes me sick every time I see some Freepers really pushing for Condi Rice for President. She may be smart but a true RINO on the inside. Okay, she wants us to have our guns but on just about everything else she is Colin Powell.
18 posted on 12/27/2006 4:41:24 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks.)
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To: Popman
...countdown to carpet bombing of the cockroaches anyone??

9...8...7...6...5...

19 posted on 12/27/2006 4:43:04 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: fish hawk
Knowing our gutless government, they will probably side with the terrorists and we and the U.N. will demand that Ethiopia remove its self from the area.

Since our gutless government will be even more gutless when the the moonbats dems take over, it would not surprise me if the like of Democrat leadership sends money to the Islamic Courts Union of Somalia as a sign of support against an out of control Bush military.

20 posted on 12/27/2006 4:44:25 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: fish hawk

she's a disgrace.......moderately articulate, best on 'talking points', and not very good at all in Q & A. And, btw, wasn't maddy albrights daddy her teacher in "russian studies"?


21 posted on 12/27/2006 4:44:39 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Popman
An American-led naval blockade would greatly assist by sealing the fourth side of a three-sided Ethiopian siege effort.

Hillary and the democrats would scream their heads off if we helped corner their islamist allies in Mogadishu.

22 posted on 12/27/2006 4:45:59 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: xcamel
...countdown to carpet bombing of the cockroaches anyone??

Never going to happen.

23 posted on 12/27/2006 4:46:19 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Russ

Ditto to what you said.


24 posted on 12/27/2006 4:47:17 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Thanks for you Vn service. My life long friend was flying Skyhawks off the Oriskany in the Tonkin Gulf at about that same time.
25 posted on 12/27/2006 4:50:10 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks.)
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To: Popman
"Never going to happen."

..exactly what was said about Ethiopia taking action against the iCockroaches in Somalia..

26 posted on 12/27/2006 4:51:06 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Popman
This seems like a great time to turn over a bunch of those hydrofoils that we have sitting in mothballs to the Ethiopians. They would be perfect for this kind of job and US "Advisers" could help them get familiarized with the equipment.


27 posted on 12/27/2006 4:51:16 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Dog Gone; All
Israeli expression: Ayin Baytzim
Literal translation: No eggs
Field translation: No Balls

I do NOT mean our military forces but the folks at Dept. of State who have developed the art of abandoning out friends and coddling out enemies.
28 posted on 12/27/2006 4:51:32 PM PST by Gideon Reader (ALL of my weapons are cleaned, my mags are loaded, and my music is very, VERY cool.)
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To: Popman

Pelosi and her Liberal cowards would sell everyone out just like Baker.


29 posted on 12/27/2006 4:52:45 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Popman

No ships will appear. We have too many people bent on negotiation as the only means to deal with the islamofacists.

On the other hand, I hope Ethiopia puts it to the islamofacists. It will be a well deserved ass whipping.
The terrorists have had free reign for too long. time to shut them down.


30 posted on 12/27/2006 4:52:53 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: fish hawk
It makes me sick every time I see some Freepers really pushing for Condi Rice for President.

I agree: it's a disease called style over substance

Condi may be a good diplomat, but she isn't capable of the leadership skills it takes to be POTUS

31 posted on 12/27/2006 4:54:14 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Dallas59; All
What is the opinion of Keith Ellison, D-Minn

This comes under: "I could give a #@$% what he thinks." In fact, given that a fundamental Muslim tenant is the establishment of Shi'i Law as the basis for governance, but elected officials are to defend and protect the Constitution and the laws of the land, I don't even understand how he can be sworn in, Koran or no Koran.

32 posted on 12/27/2006 5:00:45 PM PST by econjack
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To: Popman

"who really knows what back door deals are being pushed by the house of Saud."

Bingo.


33 posted on 12/27/2006 5:01:17 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Popman

34 posted on 12/27/2006 5:01:36 PM PST by Gritty (The war on terror long ago gave way to the Struggle to Make Everyone Think We're Swell-Diana West)
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To: Gritty
That's a keeper.

It's going on my desktop at work.

35 posted on 12/27/2006 5:05:10 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Popman
While noting American support of Ethiopian actions, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos also signaled a less than forward-leaning American approach to action on the Horn by also saying, “We’ve instructed our ambassadors in the region to meet with governments to urge them to pressure Somalis to return to the negotiating table. We do not believe this can be resolved on the battlefield.”

Foggy Bottom needs to start serving it's spokespeople nice big cups of STFU.

36 posted on 12/27/2006 5:07:36 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Popman

The provisional "Baidoa" government is the transitional government that the UN has tried to pull together there. They are elected, they include members of all the major clans, they are in short as legitimate a government as we've seen there, ever.

The moment they come under fire from Al Qaeda, however, Kofi Annan is ready to drop them like a hot rock.

Ethiopia is not in Somalia for the sunshine. They are there almost certainly at our behest. What exactly this campaign is costing us politically and monetarily we probably won't know for some time to come, but you can bet there is a price tag.

This is what muscular diplomacy looks like.

I am pleased with the turn-about these last few days. Until the campaign started I was as worried as anyone that we were going to do nothing. I am aware that the Horn of Africa has received special attention from our special ops guys, but I know nothing beyond that, so I was wondering when or if we were going to see anything concrete happen. Maybe this is our answer.


37 posted on 12/27/2006 5:08:48 PM PST by marron
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To: Popman

Welcome to Irag...


38 posted on 12/27/2006 5:10:06 PM PST by repvetsyiydli
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To: Popman

If the Ethiopians can take back all but Mogadishu in 5 days by not trying to win hearts and minds, thent hink what the marines could do if we set them looose in Sadr city


39 posted on 12/27/2006 5:11:37 PM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: Popman

Jim Baker is a fool. Bush is using his report for TP.


40 posted on 12/27/2006 5:12:11 PM PST by pissant
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To: Popman

BUMP


41 posted on 12/27/2006 5:13:23 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: verum ago
think what the marines could do if we set them loose in Sadr city

From your keyboard to God's ear

42 posted on 12/27/2006 5:14:25 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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"But the United States is calling for a return to negotiations in Somalia..."



You don't call a truce just as are about to administer the fatal blow.

As an aside, the President of Ethiopia might be a good candidate for UN Secretary General.


43 posted on 12/27/2006 5:14:59 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: marron
They are there almost certainly at our behest.

In general I agree with your post, but Ethiopia isn't invading another country to make us happy, they are doing it before they get squeezed by AQ.

Check this map out

If AQ controls Somalia, they basically are surrounded by Islamic fascists

44 posted on 12/27/2006 5:19:45 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: GonzoGOP
Those bad boys would sure do the job.

I checked out how this could be done---Djibouti(seaport) in Djibouti(Country) is linked by a RR to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia's capital. Does Ethiopia have good relations with Dijbouti? Does Ethiopia have a Navy?

I know we have special ops on the ground all over the place in the Horn of Africa, and they've been there for quite a while now. It would seem easy enough for our ops to arrange to have about 4 of those unmarked hydrofoils in Djibouti Harbor by Friday. Ad some air patrols (Ethiopia certainly does have an air force) to fill in the gaps in surface coverage, and the job's all but done.

I don't think the USA wishes to signal our involvement beyond diplomatic support---which seems a bit like disinformation, from what I reading in the news.

You can tell by my handle that I'm a nautical freak...man, would I like to have one of those 'foils!

45 posted on 12/27/2006 5:27:38 PM PST by Rudder
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Transitional Federal Government soldiers rest under a tree after arriving in Jowhar town 90 kilometers (56 miles) from Baidoa in Somalia, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006

Transitional Federal Government soldier stands on a truck with an anti aircraft gun after arriving in Jowhar town 90 kilometers (56 miles) from Baidoa in Somalia, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Clan leaders in Mogadishu on Wednesday were considering throwing their support to government forces who have advanced to within striking distance of this beleaguered capital, a move that would deal a blow to the Islamic movement that until this week had ruled much of southern Somalia. The city was buzzing with news of the approaching government soldiers, and Islamic fighters in northern Mogadishu were spotted changing out of their uniforms into civilian clothes. Women selling qat _ the leafy stimulant that is wildly popular among Somalis, but was banned by the Islamists _ were crowding the streets with bundles of the green narcotic.

A Transitional Federal Government soldier guards captive Islamic Courts soldiers, left, in Baidoa, Somalia Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006.

Jowhar Somali citizen celebrate as they carry the Somali Transitional Federal Government flag after soldiers arrived in Jowhar town 90 kilometers (56 miles) from Baidoa in Somalia, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Clan leaders in Mogadishu on Wednesday were considering throwing their support to government forces who have advanced to within striking distance of this beleaguered capital, a move that would deal a blow to the Islamic movement that until this week had ruled much of southern Somalia. The city was buzzing with news of the approaching government soldiers, and Islamic fighters in northern Mogadishu were spotted changing out of their uniforms into civilian clothes. Women selling qat _ the leafy stimulant that is wildly popular among Somalis, but was banned by the Islamists _ were crowding the streets with bundles of the green narcotic

celebrate? MSM told me the overtaken land was happy with ROP setup

46 posted on 12/27/2006 5:29:54 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Popman

Take the Iowa out of mothballs.
The USS North Carolina is ready to go.


47 posted on 12/27/2006 5:31:32 PM PST by Holicheese (Beerfest could be the greatest movie ever made!)
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To: elhombrelibre

I have read that one of the reasons that chattel slavery was practiced in the British colonies was because of British contacts with Muslim slavers in Africa and the ME. It was prohibited in England itself, oddly enough, but was extremely hard to root out in other areas.

Even after the former British colonies in the US became US states, they were uncommonly harsh, even forbidding black slaves to receive religious instruction. Writers have speculated that this is because they based their model for the enslavement of Africans upon the Muslim model of slavery in Africa.

I've never understood why American blacks are so fond of Islam.


48 posted on 12/27/2006 5:31:54 PM PST by livius
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"MSM told me the overtaken land was happy with ROP setup"

Nearly every MSM article I have read on this usually starts in with "The Islamic Court Union, which has brought law and order, peace and security..happy happy happy joy joy blah blah".


49 posted on 12/27/2006 5:34:39 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Flavius
The city was buzzing with news of the approaching government soldiers, and Islamic fighters in northern Mogadishu were spotted changing out of their uniforms into civilian clothes.

Sounds like they are now, enemy combatants and now no longer under the Geneva Convention rules for soldiers.

I'm sure they are real concerned about following the Geneva Convention so Kofi doesn't need to send out a nasty letter.

50 posted on 12/27/2006 5:37:25 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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