Skip to comments.Reversal of Fortunes in Somalia: Mogadishu Siege
Posted on 12/27/2006 4:23:54 PM PST by Popman
Ethiopia has emerged as the only nation willing to directly confront the al-Qaeda franchise Islamic Courts Union in Somalia, driving into the east African nation with tanks and pushing the Islamists and their fighters - including foreign terrorists poured in from around the Middle East - back to the eastern shores of Mogadishu.
After rolling though Somalia and driving the ICU out of Somali cities and towns along the way, Ethipian forces have pulled up and surrounded Mogadishu. A siege strategy like that once employed by the ICU on the last remaining Somali Transitional Federal Government (TFG) stronghold of Baidoa is being employed by Ethiopian forces. The stated intent is to avoid civilian losses.
But the Telegraphs Mike Pflanz notes the likely futility of such a move as Mogadishu sits on the Indian Ocean, allowing sympathetic foreign fighting forces to land on the beach to reinforce and re-arm the Islamist forces via their al-Qaeda lifeline. An American-led naval blockade would greatly assist by sealing the fourth side of a three-sided Ethiopian siege effort.
But the United States is calling for a return to negotiations in Somalia, and it remains to be seen whether American naval forces will be ordered to assist the forward-leaning Ethiopian government and its unapologetic engagement of the Islamists seeking an al-Qaeda foothold on the Horn of Africa.
While noting American support of Ethiopian actions, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos also signaled a less than forward-leaning American approach to action on the Horn by also saying, Weve instructed our ambassadors in the region to meet with governments to urge them to pressure Somalis to return to the negotiating table. We do not believe this can be resolved on the battlefield. The African Union has demanded an outright withdrawal of Ethiopian forces from Somalia.
Speaking to the UN Security Council Tuesday, Kofi Annans special representative to Somalia, Francois Lonseny Fall, echoed such demands and calls. Unless a political settlement is reached through negotiations, Somalia, I am afraid, will face a period of deepening conflict and heightened instability, which would be disastrous for the long-suffering people of Somalia, and could also have serious consequences for the entire region, he said.
But the long-suffering people of Somalia face even greater long-term perils as does the rest of the region and the world through resumed inaction that would allow the Islamic Courts Union and its al-Qaeda management to continue its progress, allowing an al-Qaeda terrorist foothold and Taliban-style Islamist rule over the whole of Somalia.
It must be recognized by Western leaders most notably the United States that the coveted negotiation process is what permitted the ICU to harvest Somali territory for al-Qaeda in the first place. Negotiation must take place after the Islamists will has been broken in Somalia by force alone, not beforehand. For force is the language they speak with and the only language they have an ear for.
An American-led naval blockade would greatly assist by sealing the fourth side of a three-sided Ethiopian siege effort.
A couple of small vessels would be a nice show of support to tell those bastards where ever they go, we will be there.
The US vessels are probably already there.
We have them in the area.
We know the threat.
We are friends with Ethiopia.
Sometimes the most effective efforts are the least publicized.
Ditto to that.
We're.... uh.... fishing! That's right. Just a little R&R.
What is the CAIR opinion on all this?????? Please somebody tell me??? AND....What is the opinion of Keith Ellison, D-Minn?????
Good for Ethiopia!
The terrorists cannot fight an actual battle...they hide behind women and children.
I hope we are supporting the efforts to clear these terrorists out of the country!
I would just like to throw in another Bush accomplishment here.
Bush has initiated efforts not just to improve our military here at home but to encourage friendly governments around the world to increase their military strength in order to supplement our common interests. Countries such as Australia, India, Canada, Poland and others have heeded this call.
Such improvements in allied positions has drastically increased American strength and influence globally despite the naysaying in the media.
The latest Ethiopian proxy win over the Islamofascists is further success in the more discree war against terrorism being waged on the African continent.
Good job President Bush.
I'd like to believe we are already there to help Ethiopia, but these days who really knows what back door deals are being pushed by the house of Saud.
I'm sure Jim Baker would sell them down the river faster than an ice cube in hell melts
Ummm... as opposed to what that has happened in the last 16 years? I'll place my bets with the Ethiopians.
Memo to Bush administration: Please take notes and observe how easily the Islamo-fascists cave when enough force is used against them. Now use this information and get out there and kick their ass!
Knowing our gutless government, they will probably side with the terrorists and we and the U.N. will demand that Ethiopia remove its self from the area.
"A couple of small vessels would be a nice show of support to tell those bastards where ever they go, we will be there."
This one would be just fine.....but the thread is full of folks who are all right with scrapping it:
Black American Muslims have always put Islam above color and heritage. Arabs and Muslims sold slaves and indeed still do long after the white Europeans and white Americans did. Black African slavery to the new world was largely ended because of the campaigning by white British Christians of an Evangelical bent. Today, as you probably know, black African Christians are brutally treated by Muslims with Darfur being a splendidly ignored example, and not a peep is heard from American Muslims of any color, or for that matter many self-proclaimed black American leaders who are ostensibly co-religionists of the victims in Darfur or many other parts of Africa. It's an interesting fact to that Christianity may be saved by black Africans who remain committed to an Orthodox non-watered down religion.
Translation: The good guys are too close to winning outright.
I still think a few AC-130H's would be a nice contribution. Circle Mogadishu, and open up on any obvious hostiles. Make the seige press all the more closely.
And forget the blockade as such: just have combat air patrols sink any Mogadishu-bound boat or ship.
Since our gutless government will be even more gutless when the the moonbats dems take over, it would not surprise me if the like of Democrat leadership sends money to the Islamic Courts Union of Somalia as a sign of support against an out of control Bush military.
she's a disgrace.......moderately articulate, best on 'talking points', and not very good at all in Q & A. And, btw, wasn't maddy albrights daddy her teacher in "russian studies"?
Hillary and the democrats would scream their heads off if we helped corner their islamist allies in Mogadishu.
Never going to happen.
Ditto to what you said.
..exactly what was said about Ethiopia taking action against the iCockroaches in Somalia..
Pelosi and her Liberal cowards would sell everyone out just like Baker.
No ships will appear. We have too many people bent on negotiation as the only means to deal with the islamofacists.
On the other hand, I hope Ethiopia puts it to the islamofacists. It will be a well deserved ass whipping.
The terrorists have had free reign for too long. time to shut them down.
I agree: it's a disease called style over substance
Condi may be a good diplomat, but she isn't capable of the leadership skills it takes to be POTUS
This comes under: "I could give a #@$% what he thinks." In fact, given that a fundamental Muslim tenant is the establishment of Shi'i Law as the basis for governance, but elected officials are to defend and protect the Constitution and the laws of the land, I don't even understand how he can be sworn in, Koran or no Koran.
"who really knows what back door deals are being pushed by the house of Saud."
It's going on my desktop at work.
Foggy Bottom needs to start serving it's spokespeople nice big cups of STFU.
The provisional "Baidoa" government is the transitional government that the UN has tried to pull together there. They are elected, they include members of all the major clans, they are in short as legitimate a government as we've seen there, ever.
The moment they come under fire from Al Qaeda, however, Kofi Annan is ready to drop them like a hot rock.
Ethiopia is not in Somalia for the sunshine. They are there almost certainly at our behest. What exactly this campaign is costing us politically and monetarily we probably won't know for some time to come, but you can bet there is a price tag.
This is what muscular diplomacy looks like.
I am pleased with the turn-about these last few days. Until the campaign started I was as worried as anyone that we were going to do nothing. I am aware that the Horn of Africa has received special attention from our special ops guys, but I know nothing beyond that, so I was wondering when or if we were going to see anything concrete happen. Maybe this is our answer.
Welcome to Irag...
If the Ethiopians can take back all but Mogadishu in 5 days by not trying to win hearts and minds, thent hink what the marines could do if we set them looose in Sadr city
Jim Baker is a fool. Bush is using his report for TP.
From your keyboard to God's ear
"But the United States is calling for a return to negotiations in Somalia..."
You don't call a truce just as are about to administer the fatal blow.
As an aside, the President of Ethiopia might be a good candidate for UN Secretary General.
In general I agree with your post, but Ethiopia isn't invading another country to make us happy, they are doing it before they get squeezed by AQ.
Check this map out
If AQ controls Somalia, they basically are surrounded by Islamic fascists
I checked out how this could be done---Djibouti(seaport) in Djibouti(Country) is linked by a RR to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia's capital. Does Ethiopia have good relations with Dijbouti? Does Ethiopia have a Navy?
I know we have special ops on the ground all over the place in the Horn of Africa, and they've been there for quite a while now. It would seem easy enough for our ops to arrange to have about 4 of those unmarked hydrofoils in Djibouti Harbor by Friday. Ad some air patrols (Ethiopia certainly does have an air force) to fill in the gaps in surface coverage, and the job's all but done.
I don't think the USA wishes to signal our involvement beyond diplomatic support---which seems a bit like disinformation, from what I reading in the news.
You can tell by my handle that I'm a nautical freak...man, would I like to have one of those 'foils!
Transitional Federal Government soldiers rest under a tree after arriving in Jowhar town 90 kilometers (56 miles) from Baidoa in Somalia, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006
Transitional Federal Government soldier stands on a truck with an anti aircraft gun after arriving in Jowhar town 90 kilometers (56 miles) from Baidoa in Somalia, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Clan leaders in Mogadishu on Wednesday were considering throwing their support to government forces who have advanced to within striking distance of this beleaguered capital, a move that would deal a blow to the Islamic movement that until this week had ruled much of southern Somalia. The city was buzzing with news of the approaching government soldiers, and Islamic fighters in northern Mogadishu were spotted changing out of their uniforms into civilian clothes. Women selling qat _ the leafy stimulant that is wildly popular among Somalis, but was banned by the Islamists _ were crowding the streets with bundles of the green narcotic.
A Transitional Federal Government soldier guards captive Islamic Courts soldiers, left, in Baidoa, Somalia Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006.
Jowhar Somali citizen celebrate as they carry the Somali Transitional Federal Government flag after soldiers arrived in Jowhar town 90 kilometers (56 miles) from Baidoa in Somalia, Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2006. Clan leaders in Mogadishu on Wednesday were considering throwing their support to government forces who have advanced to within striking distance of this beleaguered capital, a move that would deal a blow to the Islamic movement that until this week had ruled much of southern Somalia. The city was buzzing with news of the approaching government soldiers, and Islamic fighters in northern Mogadishu were spotted changing out of their uniforms into civilian clothes. Women selling qat _ the leafy stimulant that is wildly popular among Somalis, but was banned by the Islamists _ were crowding the streets with bundles of the green narcotic
celebrate? MSM told me the overtaken land was happy with ROP setup
Take the Iowa out of mothballs.
The USS North Carolina is ready to go.
I have read that one of the reasons that chattel slavery was practiced in the British colonies was because of British contacts with Muslim slavers in Africa and the ME. It was prohibited in England itself, oddly enough, but was extremely hard to root out in other areas.
Even after the former British colonies in the US became US states, they were uncommonly harsh, even forbidding black slaves to receive religious instruction. Writers have speculated that this is because they based their model for the enslavement of Africans upon the Muslim model of slavery in Africa.
I've never understood why American blacks are so fond of Islam.
"MSM told me the overtaken land was happy with ROP setup"
Nearly every MSM article I have read on this usually starts in with "The Islamic Court Union, which has brought law and order, peace and security..happy happy happy joy joy blah blah".
Sounds like they are now, enemy combatants and now no longer under the Geneva Convention rules for soldiers.
I'm sure they are real concerned about following the Geneva Convention so Kofi doesn't need to send out a nasty letter.