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The Muslims Are Coming!
Der Spiegel ^ | December 28, 2006 | Michael Scott Moore and Jochen-Martin Gutsch

Posted on 12/31/2006 8:25:47 AM PST by NCjim

A citizens' group in Berlin turned out this week for a candlelight vigil to protest plans for a new mosque in their neighborhood. It will be the first to be built in the former East Berlin, where almost no Muslims live -- but no one can quite explain why it shouldn't be there.

At the end of a rundown suburban street lined with bare trees and flaking apartment facades, a small group of people hold candles or colored Glo-sticks. A few hold signs -- "Democracy yes! Caliphate no!" -- and some carry German flags.

"The mosque is supposed to go up right here," says Günter Bronner, a blustery white-haired man with glasses pushed up on his forehead who's lived in the neighborhood for 42 years. He points to a drab piece of land at the end of the street where a defunct sauerkraut factory stands. "They want to have a minaret with a muezzin who gives the call to prayer five times a day. Can you imagine? Five times a day over our rooftops."

Officials gave the go-ahead last Friday for the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association to build a new mosque in Heinersdorf, an eastern neighborhood of Berlin where very few Muslims live. It will be the first mosque on the once-Communist eastern side of the city, and an organization of locals turned out Wednesday to protest. "It was pretty brazen to hand this (approval) to us as a Christmas present," quipped Joachim Swietlik, head of the citizens' group, who claims that 90 percent of Heinersdorf doesn't want the mosque.

The row highlights a Europe-wide debate about the integration of Muslims, ranging from calls for improved schooling and language teaching and tougher tests for immigrants to a discussion about whether veils and headscarves hinder the integration of Muslim women.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmadiyya; eurabia; indoctrination; islam; islamicimperialism; islamicsupremacists; islamineurope; mulitculturalism; multiculturalism; muslims
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1 posted on 12/31/2006 8:25:47 AM PST by NCjim
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To: NCjim
but no one can quite explain why it shouldn't be there

Eurabia's problem in a nutshell.

2 posted on 12/31/2006 8:27:06 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: NCjim
but no one can quite explain why it shouldn't be there

Eurabia's problem in a nutshell.

3 posted on 12/31/2006 8:27:06 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: NCjim

State-sponsored imposition of Mulitculturalism.


4 posted on 12/31/2006 8:27:39 AM PST by Kurt_D
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To: NCjim

".. but no one can quite explain why it shouldn't be there."



are they not allowed to say they don't want muslims in any fashion there?

or are they like here in America and afraid to make PC police mad


5 posted on 12/31/2006 8:27:57 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: NCjim
A few hold signs -- "Democracy yes! Caliphate no!" -- and some carry German flags.

Well, at least some Europeans get it.

6 posted on 12/31/2006 8:28:49 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: NCjim
...but no one can quite explain why it shouldn't be there.

One word--Londonistan.

7 posted on 12/31/2006 8:30:59 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: NCjim
A citizens' group in Berlin turned out this week for a candlelight vigil to protest plans for a new mosque in their neighborhood. It will be the first to be built in the former East Berlin, where almost no Muslims live

Build it; and they will come. - Tom

8 posted on 12/31/2006 8:31:06 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: NCjim
to be built in the former East Berlin, where almost no Muslims live

Nothing wrong with that... its just prudent planning by the wahabists for the future

9 posted on 12/31/2006 8:32:56 AM PST by C210N (Bush SPIED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: sure_fine

Some enterprising German should follow Craig Baker's lead and organize some friday night pig races.


10 posted on 12/31/2006 8:33:41 AM PST by Hornet19 (Be Politically Erect.)
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To: NCjim
The Muzzies may not be in East Berlin now, but they will be soon.
11 posted on 12/31/2006 8:33:59 AM PST by BW2221
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To: neodad

As to why it should be there, it is on holy Islamic ground. Or soon will be.


12 posted on 12/31/2006 8:37:32 AM PST by weegee
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To: neodad

No, I think most could explain it, it is their PC mentality that prevents them from explaining it. Germany along with the rest of the West must drop PC in order to survive this muslim onslaught. (Dittos for the US. We are the frog in cold water that is slowly being heated to boiling and far too many of us are oblivious.)


13 posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:01 AM PST by asp1
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To: sure_fine

Have to question the expansion of Islam into non-muslim nations at a time when those same Islamic nations prohibit the free exercise of other religions and under Islamic law there are fewer rights and protections for non-muslims.

If they were seeking political and religious persecution at home, it might be one thing to accept them with open arms. This is converting the kufir.

All religions are equal. Apparently some are more equal than others. When people wake up to the reality of Islam as a POLITICAL system of rule, it will be too late.

The KKK, Communists, and Neonazis could've circumvented a lot of political troubles by praising their founders as "religious" figures.


14 posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:39 AM PST by weegee
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To: Kurt_D
"State-sponsored imposition of Mulitculturalism."

I don't have a problem with multiculturalism except when it means that one of the multis in the culture needs to destroy the others. Someday maybe there can be safe multiculturalism, if Islam will reform itself and Muslims can integrate with the world without wars and disruption.

Right now this is like planting a wolf in the nest of a rabbit. Stupid.

15 posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:42 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Kurt_D

Mulitculturalism? Sure, as long as they are Ethiopians, they get it! Down with the rag heads!


16 posted on 12/31/2006 8:42:18 AM PST by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: Hornet19


Some enterprising German should follow Craig Baker's lead and organize some friday night pig races.



Or quickly convert that defunct sauerkraut factory into a defunct pork sausage factory, then they won't want to build there.


17 posted on 12/31/2006 8:42:20 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE (Free speech for thee, but not for me?)
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To: asp1

Didn't Germany prohibit Scientology?


18 posted on 12/31/2006 8:42:32 AM PST by weegee
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To: NCjim

No westerner would want to live in a country with a majority muslim population. How about a 40% muslim population? 30%? 20%?.......... I say if 51% is too many, then so is 1%.


19 posted on 12/31/2006 8:43:32 AM PST by umgud (The profound is only so to those that it is.)
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To: NCjim

Muslims are a plague. The religion of hate. The end of Western civilization. Simple as that.


20 posted on 12/31/2006 8:45:13 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: sure_fine

This group is living in Germany and just want a place to pray.

Right,after that a place to live, a place to be isolated, a place to organize, a place to conspire and after a while your place.

21 posted on 12/31/2006 8:47:40 AM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: Hornet19

Good idea !


22 posted on 12/31/2006 8:51:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: weegee
Good question, weegee, I don't know off hand but it would not surprise me. It seems that in Europe and the US we are very quick at prohibiting everything and anything as long as it isn't islam. What are we so afraid of?
23 posted on 12/31/2006 8:56:32 AM PST by asp1
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To: asp1
"What are we so afraid of?"

1.2 Billion Muslim votes for the UN as a worldwide power and Brussels getting loads of Muslim money in their pockets?

24 posted on 12/31/2006 9:00:38 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: sure_fine
or are they like here in America and afraid to make PC police mad

At least they have some real reason to fear the PC police - the PC police in Europe can put you in jail if you make them mad.

They can't do that here in America, yet. But they're working on it.

25 posted on 12/31/2006 9:00:48 AM PST by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: weegee

Type in German and Scientology and came up with this:

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/ there were quite a few more, also so I would say that Germans discriminate against Scientology.


26 posted on 12/31/2006 9:02:40 AM PST by asp1
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To: NCjim



Not to worry. OUR guvmint is doing all it can to make sure we don't
run low on our supply of Eternally Offended And Angry Muslims.

(repost from previous threads)

More Muslims moving to U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1699992/posts

US schools compete for Saudi students -not yet able do effective
background checks on applicants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1699252/posts

Victor Davis Hanson: Those Saudi Students. It’s not irrational to
be wary of this deal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1701943/posts


and here's a story of how one Muslim student learned tolerance and
embraced diversity after visiting America (/sarc):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1686655/posts


27 posted on 12/31/2006 9:03:41 AM PST by VOA
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To: weegee

"Didn't Germany prohibit Scientology?"

I don't know if they are verbotten, but I know the German guvmint has
tried to place strictures on Scientology.

I'm no fan of Scientology (read too many exposes while living in
Southern California).

But it makes sense to go after Scientology and let Islam alone.
I don't know of any cases of Scientologists sawing off heads from
screaming infidels.


28 posted on 12/31/2006 9:06:16 AM PST by VOA
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To: Earthdweller
Oh. I just wonder where these people who are on the receiving end of all that money will spend it when islam takes over? "Follow the money." Has there ever been a more apt saying than that? LOL!
29 posted on 12/31/2006 9:06:24 AM PST by asp1
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To: asp1
What are we so afraid of?

Billions of them that will not ever accept Christianity and will do everything they can to destroy it. It is that simple.

30 posted on 12/31/2006 9:08:22 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: NCjim
Look out Europe , you are next. Liberal understanding is taking the Christian religion in Europe back to the days of the Christians being tortured in the Colosseum. If it happens whose fault is it. They tried it here last year with eh war on Christmas , and the non religious Easter and no Easter bunny and all that garbarge. Europe better wise up or instead of those church bells they will be hearing mullahs calling from roof tops.
31 posted on 12/31/2006 9:10:31 AM PST by betsyross1776
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To: oyez

Western societies should end the DOLE, wait for them to go crazy then EXTRACT them to the nearest sand dune. Imagin paying people to do nothing but tear down your society?? (Yes I know its happening here too)


32 posted on 12/31/2006 9:29:19 AM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: NCjim

33 posted on 12/31/2006 9:44:09 AM PST by Gritty (Maybe squashing the jihad requires outsourcing the fight to less squeamish 3rd World regimes-M Steyn)
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To: Gritty

34 posted on 12/31/2006 9:50:08 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: weegee


All religions are equal. Apparently some are more equal than others. When people wake up to the reality of Islam as a POLITICAL system of rule, it will be too late.


I keep telling everyone I know that, I wish more people would understand it.


35 posted on 12/31/2006 9:50:45 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: george76

36 posted on 12/31/2006 9:58:37 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: NCjim
It will be the first to be built in the [area], where almost no Muslims live...

They're building them all over the US, too, in rural areas that have no Muslims, other than perhaps a Pakistani gas station owner, at most. They are being funded by Saudi money.

This is not just a European problem. It is a way the Muslims are setting the stage for their takeover, and we are fools if we think it couldn't happen here.

37 posted on 12/31/2006 10:01:59 AM PST by livius
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To: CFC__VRWC
At least a few were brave enough TO protest. Here in Iowa last year,Muslims were given the ok from the Corps of Engineers to use gov. land to build a school of some kind and it will, of course,have a mosque on it....and nary a word in public was uttered...no PUBLIC protests etc. but plenty of disbelief and anger in private. We're so beaten down by the PC crowd, it's unbelievable.....about the same as communities being absolutely overrun with Hispanics, turning little towns in to "Little Mexico"....no one dare say a word or you're labeled racist, isolationist, uncaring, cold hearted.

What ever happened to putting America FIRST in our thoughts and actions. We will rue the day that we went down this slippery slope and have lost our spine and love of our Country, culture and way of life.

I have no problem with people coming here LEAGALLY with a desire to assimilate into OUR way of life, our language, our laws.....but don't kid yourself....that is NOT the intent of most who come here now...mostly illegals.

As for the Muslims....the day they stand up in public and denounce the horrid atrocities the terrorists have committed, I don't trust them and I don't want them coming into our country.
38 posted on 12/31/2006 10:05:37 AM PST by Molly T.
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To: NCjim
I read in the paper last week that the Pelosi administration is taking this "Invasion" very seriously.

They are planning to set up specially trained units called the A.O.U. or Anti Offense Units to prevent the citizenry of this country from offending the new settlers from Islamic countries.

"If a resident or citizen is caught "Offending" our new freinds, then after their first incident they will be sent to a special A.O.T.F. (Anti Offense Training Facility)to be taught respect for our new freinds." Said Pelosi last Tuesday at a press conference held at her residence. When questioned about punishment for a second or third offence there was no response from the incomming leader of the free world.

39 posted on 12/31/2006 10:05:41 AM PST by R_Kangel ("Please insert witty tag-line here")
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To: Rummyfan
Well, at least some Europeans get it.
In a small city, or large town near where I live in Spain, the people successfully blocked the building of a huge mosque. I post this occasionally, usually no one pays attention. It's more fun to "know it all" about how we're over-run here.
40 posted on 12/31/2006 10:08:53 AM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: neodad
but no one can quite explain why it shouldn't be there

I'll explain it:

"They want to have a minaret with a muezzin who gives the call to prayer five times a day. Can you imagine? Five times a day over our rooftops."
Erecting a mosque is the Muslim way of proclaiming ownership of an area. The area over which the mosque overlooks, out to the range of the muezzin's call, is Muslim territory, with the claim yelled out 5 times per day.
41 posted on 12/31/2006 10:15:46 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: livius; All

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061002.wxmosque02/BNStory/Entertainment/home

You know when they are making a (comedy) television show called "Little Mosque on the Prairie" in Canada - there's got to be some truth to it....

It's supposed to start in January BTW.


42 posted on 12/31/2006 10:34:55 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: VOA
Not many Scientologists blow themselves up on a crowed bus.
43 posted on 12/31/2006 10:38:57 AM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: asp1

"What are we so afraid of?"Being called bigoted.Thank 30+yrs of indoctrination by the msm and the liberal elite.


44 posted on 12/31/2006 10:41:54 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: oyez
Not many Scientologists blow themselves up on a crowed bus.

Not many people run for congress publicizing that they will be sworn in on the koran instead of the Bible.

45 posted on 12/31/2006 10:43:23 AM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Hornet19

"Some enterprising German should follow Craig Baker's lead and organize some friday night pig races"

Good one. I think the Germans might know a thing about pork and pig.


46 posted on 12/31/2006 11:01:08 AM PST by rbmillerjr ("...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Thombo2

I hope the jihadis that are comeing to the US understand that although our govt. resolve seems weak, we citizens won't sit idly by as they attempt to bring sharia law and terror tendencies with them.

This citizenry is well armed and will not stomach it.

A great warning to the jihadis from a song. Open Season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI&feature=PlayList&p=9C01C836B46A0F52&index=0


47 posted on 12/31/2006 11:19:14 AM PST by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: NCjim
Ahmadiyya Muslim Association

The Ahmadiyya sect of Islam was based in Pakistan until persecution by Muslims sent them packing to the UK.

From Wikipedia (For what it's worth):The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community ...is based on the Ahmadiyya movement founded in 1889 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (1835-1908). The original movement split into two factions soon after the death of the founder. (The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-i-Islam is the second offshoot.)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the Ahmadiyya movement, claimed to be the Mujaddid (reformer) of the 14th Islamic century as well as the Messiah, Mahdi and The Second Coming of Christ.[1] These claims have proven to be extremely controversial among Muslims. Mainstream Muslims believe that no prophet or messenger will come after Prophet Muhammad and that Jesus himself will descend from heaven at the End of Days to wage war against the forces of evil.[2]"

For more information on Ahmadi beliefs, go here. I would say that the Germans should be relieved that this group is in charge of this mosque because there's little love between them and the Wahhabbi's and Salafi's. If the Salafis become a Caliphate, these guys might end up on the chopping block before the rest of us.

48 posted on 12/31/2006 11:44:40 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Making every thread a Star Wars thread, one post at a time!!!)
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To: rbmillerjr

Thanx for the link.Good video.


49 posted on 12/31/2006 2:17:09 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: Thombo2

"Thanx for the link.Good video."

My nephew says it's called Nu-Metal. Heavy metal with a slight twist of rap...it's a catchy tune, I listened to it about 10 straight times...but it's the strong warning to the jihadis that hooks me. Spread that link around, people like that tune from teen to 50. I'm 45 and it rocks for me.


50 posted on 12/31/2006 3:00:52 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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