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Muslims shout at Jesus' home: 'Islam will dominate the world'
WorldNetDaily.Com ^ | Posted: January 1, 2007 | By Aaron Klein

Posted on 01/01/2007 1:11:32 AM PST by F15Eagle

NAZARETH – Islamic groups held a large militant march down the main streets of Nazareth this weekend, highlighting for some here the plight of Christians in this ancient city where Muslims have become a majority and members of the dwindling Christian population say they suffer regular intimidation.

Nazareth, considered one of the holiest cities for Christians, is described in the New Testament as the childhood home of Jesus. It contains multiple important shrines and churches, including the famous Church of the Basilica of the Annunciation, the site at which many Christians believe the Virgin Mary was visited by the Archangel Gabriel and told that she had been selected as the mother of Jesus.

The Islamic Movement, the main Muslim political party in Nazareth, said it organized yesterday's march to celebrate Eid ul-Adha, or the Feast of the Sacrifice, which commemorates the Muslim belief Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Ishmael for Allah.

Christian and Jewish faith dictates it was Isaac, not Ishmael, whom Abraham almost sacrificed.

Islamic Movement leaders paraded down Nazareth's main thoroughfare brandishing their party's green flag. Young Muslim men in battle gear marched and beat drums as a man on loudspeaker repeatedly exclaimed in Arabic, "Allah is great."

Hundreds of activists strutted screaming Islamist epithets, including "Islam is the only truth" and "Islam shall rule all."

Tens of thousands of Nazareth residents, seemingly mostly Muslim, congregated on the streets as the march passed by. Muslim children launched firecrackers into the sky, occasionally misfiring, with the small explosives landing dangerously close to the crowds.

Many of the town's Christian residents stayed away from the event, with the exception of Christian shopkeepers who worked in the area. WND observed as several Muslim youth marching in the parade started to charge at three local Christian shopkeepers but the youth stopped short.

While the march was billed as a celebration, it's militant virtues were clearly visible. The event seemed more a show of force than a street party.

"The march is meant to intimidate Christians," said Saleem, a Nazareth Christian resident who asked that his last name be withheld for fear of what he said was "Muslim retaliation" for speaking out.

"It's part of the methods used by the Muslims in very obvious ways to create an atmosphere where the Christians should know the Muslims are the main power and we are not welcome anymore," Saleem said.

Ahmed Zohbi, a member of Nazareth's municipal council and the leader of an umbrella group consisting of the city's Islamic parties, denied Saleem's accusations, claiming there is "no problem" between Christians and Muslims in Nazareth.

"We just want to celebrate. The Muslims have nothing against our Christian brothers. Our communities may have differences but we live a peaceful coexistence," Zohbi told WND.

But Christians interviewed here said otherwise. Like Bethlehem's Christians, those in Nazareth spoke of attacks against Christian-owned shops and told stories of Christian women being raped by Muslim men. They noted several instances of interreligious violence and Muslim riots they said began when Muslims attacked Christian worshippers. The Muslims claimed Christians started the violence.

Israeli security officials say the majority of anti-Christian violence in Nazareth goes unreported because local Christians are too afraid to report crimes.

One Christian resident said violence and intimidation tend to increase around the time of local elections. The Islamic parties, once in the minority, are now one seat away from dominating Nazareth's city council.

"During the last elections, Muslims on the streets were openly threatening the Christians. They tried to stop some of the Christian cars from voting," said Saleem.

In October 2000, the Arab Christian mayor of Nazareth, Ramiz Jaraisy, was reportedly beaten by members of the opposing Islamist party.

Nazareth's Christian population, at times the majority during the city's long history, is now at about 37 percent, according to the Israeli Bureau of Statistics, which notes a regular downward trend.

The situation mirrors similar trends in West Bank and Gaza cities controlled or dominated by Muslim Arabs.

Siham el-Fahum, a Muslim Nazareth municipality member and a local historian, admits Christians are fleeing her city because of Christian-Muslim tension.

"There is no doubt the situation for Christians in Nazareth is bad," el-Fahum told WND.

"Christians like to live where life can be good for them, whereas Muslims are more attached to the community and will stay through tough times. Muslims in the city want more dominance and the only way to achieve that, logically, is at the expense of Christians. It's a delicate balancing act that is having negative consequences for Christians."

Like many Muslims here, el-Fahum claimed Christians several times "instigated" Muslim riots. But she said in the struggle for power, "the Muslims are definitely on the rise."

She said the core of the conflict began in 1998, when Israel approved a local Muslim request to build a mosque in front of the Church of the Annunciation.

Muslims wanted to build the mosque at an adjacent, 6,500-square-foot site, which they say is the burial place of a nephew of Saladin, the Muslim commander who led the army that defeated the Crusaders in 1187. The site previously housed a public school.

Christians charge the site was not previously considered holy by Muslims and that the planned mosque is meant to overwhelm the church.

Dave Parsons, a spokesman for the International Christian Embassy, said the proposed mosque might contain multiple spires that would tower over the Annunciation Church's large, black-coned dome.

In 2002, Israel rescinded permission to construct the mosque following worldwide outcry and protests from the Vatican and White House.

Nazareth Muslims temporarily occupied the site and erected a tent mosque. Islamic Movement leaders demanded Nazareth officials deed the property over to local Muslim authorities.

Muslims hold regular prayer services at the site neighboring the Annunciation church throughout the week, usually drawing large numbers of worshippers on Fridays.

Yesterday's afternoon service, attended by WND, was preceded by a sermon delivered by a prominent local sheik, who shouted into a loudspeaker, "Islam will dominate the world."

The sermon could be heard by clergy inside the Annunciation church.

The Islamic Movement's Zohbi told WND he is "optimistic" the mosque will eventually be built.

"It's just a matter of time before we (the Islamic parties) dominate the city council and then the situation will be different," he said.

Zohbi claimed the Muslim stake to the Nazareth site predates Christianity's. He said the Church of the Annunciation "was built in the 1950s."

While the church structure was indeed completely rebuilt in 1955, several previous churches there date back to the 5th century, about the same time the original Church of the Nativity was constructed in Bethlehem.

The original Annunciation church was destroyed during Muslim conquests. Reconstructed versions were burned during Crusader losses in the region. The church was rebuilt again in 1730, then later enlarged in 1877.

Archeologists say the first shrine at the church site was constructed in the middle of the 4th century, comprising an altar in the cave in which Mary is said to had lived.

Zohbi said he would only lead "peaceful" protests to built the mosque. Muslims in Nazareth have "no interest" in tensions or further violence with local Christians, he claimed.

But El-Fahum said it was only a matter of time before another round of anti-Christian riots were sparked.

"The tension is very palatable. The Christians know it. The situation is a powderkeg that can explode again at any time."


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To: F15Eagle
Nazareth,... the childhood home of Jesus

Sorry, Muzzies. Jesus doesn't live in Nazareth anymore. If you're looking for him, you can find Him seated at the Right Hand of God, or living in the hearts of those poor unfortunate Christians you torment and persecute. You can easily find Him if you want Him. Instead, you plunder and murder His followers.

the core of the conflict began in 1998, when Israel approved a local Muslim request to build a mosque in front of the Church of the Annunciation

Big mistake! Any time a mosque goes up, there is trouble.

Thousands of mosques are built or being built in America. We can look forward to some really nasty trouble someday. In fact, trouble has already started in some areas. Muslims simply can't, won't, get along peacefully with anybody not Muslim when they get the upper hand. They mean to dominate in every way.

Islam should be banned in America as a subversive political movement, just like Communism was - way back when we still had some b@lls and cared about protecting America from insidious destruction from within. Now, the enemy is pouring through our gates and we supinely imagine it is a good thing.

Because of our foolish shortsightedness, blood will some day flow in the streets of America because of this murder cult which is on the loose. Oh, wait,... it already has...

51 posted on 01/01/2007 5:59:34 AM PST by Gritty (Islam claims universal jurisdiction and always has. Now they’re acting on it. – Mark Steyn)
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To: realpatriot

Not quite that complicated.....but simple enough to become a socialist or facist state overnight.......


52 posted on 01/01/2007 6:08:52 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: realpatriot

Oh, and at the same time, to go head to head with an sure enemy.....to be politically correct, :) Radical Islam.


53 posted on 01/01/2007 6:10:07 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: F15Eagle

Fools think we have a war on terror. It must become a war on Islam lest we all perish.


54 posted on 01/01/2007 6:20:37 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

More and more Americans are realizing that the muzzies are dangerous subhuman maniacs that must be eliminated for the sake of mankind.

Left unchecked they will destroy civilization.

Pity that many more of us will have to die before the real war to wipe out these monsters can begin.

55 posted on 01/01/2007 6:31:02 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"It's stupid to make kissy-face with people who are taught to hate you from birth. Nothing that we do can change their hatred and determination to make the world a safe place for throat-slitters and head-choppers."

Ah, but our greatest legacy as a nation will be to create a nation for these Palestinians - the same the cheered 9/11.

Condi said so.
56 posted on 01/01/2007 7:23:19 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: gitmogrunt
So did the Muzzies get to you down in Gitmo? Sounds to me like you have been converted.
57 posted on 01/01/2007 7:26:07 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Niuhuru

"am i theonly person tired of muslim filth?"


NO!

it is not only "muslim filth". included are the forces who seek to destroy the western world. this "muslim filth" is just a facade; scrape away the paint and you'll see some of your so-called countrymen, in places of power, seeking to undermine efforts at stability.

heaven help us.


58 posted on 01/01/2007 7:28:18 AM PST by ripley
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To: Niuhuru

Tired of muslim filth, indeed. Count me in.

We were in Nazareth in 1999. It was disgusting. Dirty, chaotic, terrible traffic. You could tell it was a Muslim city, just by the filth and chaos. I am not surprised this happened there.


59 posted on 01/01/2007 7:34:39 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Gritty
Islam should be banned in America as a subversive political movement, just like Communism was - way back when we still had some b@lls and cared about protecting America from insidious destruction from within. Now, the enemy is pouring through our gates and we supinely imagine it is a good thing.

ditto!

Meanwhile George W. Bush lauds every little moslem "holy" day that comes by.....

60 posted on 01/01/2007 8:12:52 AM PST by isthisnickcool (If you can't light a fire in the vacuum of space what's the deal with the Sun?)
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To: F15Eagle

And yet the Arab chr*stians of Israel persist in blaming the Jews for all their troubles.


61 posted on 01/01/2007 8:17:35 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( Chazaq! Chazaq!! Venitchazzeq!!!)
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To: FreedomCalls

which they say is the burial place of a nephew of Saladin
I know , is there any place that is not THE HOLY CITY OF.....
in that scum religion?


62 posted on 01/01/2007 8:28:27 AM PST by sonic109
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To: Niuhuru
Am I the only person tired of Muslim filth?

Moslems are the People of the Lie. There will be no peace until they are crushed and discredited, eventually, by the truth-- but until that happens, high explosives will do just fine.

63 posted on 01/01/2007 8:28:50 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gritty

Islam should be banned in America as a subversive political movement, just like Communism was - way back when we still had some b@lls
I agree.Islam is as much a political movement as it is anything else. ( and a very dangerous one at that )


64 posted on 01/01/2007 8:30:57 AM PST by sonic109
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To: mariabush
"Sounds to me like you have been converted".

How did you come to that conclusion?

So, my advocating armed Self-defense against islamic throat slitters by Christians, is a sign of conversion?

65 posted on 01/01/2007 8:32:27 AM PST by gitmogrunt (Conservative and Republican are not synonymous.)
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To: gitmogrunt

Would you rather that I call you a traitor?


66 posted on 01/01/2007 8:38:14 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And yet the Arab chr*stians of Israel persist in blaming the Jews for all their troubles.

The Christian churches in the West Bank especially have indeed largely been subdued and co-opted by the islamics. They are mouthpieces for arab hate, and unfortunately their lies are uncritically slurped down by American liberal protestant stooges. Antisemitic posturing is part of the tribute they pay to be tolerated by their pagan masters.

67 posted on 01/01/2007 8:40:43 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: gitmogrunt

I went back and looked at your profile. I don't know where you are coming from after all that you have done for our country to keep it safe from terrorist?????


68 posted on 01/01/2007 8:41:07 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: mariabush
MariaBush:"Would you rather that I call you a traitor?"

You would be 100% incorrect.

Prayer is wonderful, but U.S. Military force is necessary to defeat islamic terrorism.

If that sounds like traitorous talk to you, then you are seriousily mistaken.

69 posted on 01/01/2007 8:51:08 AM PST by gitmogrunt (Conservative and Republican are not synonymous.)
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To: F15Eagle
"The tension is very palatable.

I kinda doubt that.

70 posted on 01/01/2007 8:56:41 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Niuhuru

No, but when are Christians, as a collective, going to stand up for their beliefs and stop taking this crap?


71 posted on 01/01/2007 8:57:53 AM PST by rintense (Just say no to McCain in 2008!)
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To: gitmogrunt
I get what you are saying now, but I strongly disagree that Christians only want to pray and not literally fight.

My husband is former Navy counterintel, and physically fought the Muslims during the cold war. One of our boys is an active duty Navy officer.

It has never entered my mind or the countless other Christians that we would just sit in a circle and pray for deliverance.

Sorry for my misunderstanding of your first post.

Maria
72 posted on 01/01/2007 9:02:23 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: mariabush
I knew there was a misunderstanding going on somewhere between the posts.

Have a nice day and Happy New Year.

73 posted on 01/01/2007 9:07:34 AM PST by gitmogrunt (Conservative and Republican are not synonymous.)
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To: gitmogrunt

Thanks, and you as well!


74 posted on 01/01/2007 9:08:41 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The Christian churches in the West Bank especially have indeed largely
been subdued and co-opted by the islamics.


I was shocked when I heard radio host Hugh Hewitt interview the
head of a Christian Bible college in (IIRC) Jerusalem.

The guy was more of a cheerleader for Arafat than most Palestinians.

Apparently the Stockholm Syndrome is not uncommon with Middle Eastern
Christians.
75 posted on 01/01/2007 9:15:39 AM PST by VOA
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To: F15Eagle
They possibly may dominate the world for a nanno
second and pay for that privilege for eternity.
76 posted on 01/01/2007 9:20:29 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Kerry, Graham and Dodd. The three amigo's........ of the terrorists.)
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To: F15Eagle

You said -- "Jesus said His Kingdom was not of this world ... yet"

Yes, that doesn't happen until the two witnesses (having been killed) are raised from the dead, in view of the whole world, and then...

Revelation 11:15-19

15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,

17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.

18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

It's right at verse 15 that the dominion of this world is taken away from Satan (who has had control of it since the beginning) and given over to Jesus Christ, to rule and reign forevermore afterwards. BUT, there is still 3.5 years more of the Tribulation left, at that point in time, and before Jesus comes back to earth to physically set up His Kingdom and rule and reign from Jerusalem. And that's the point in time that all who are saved return with him, to also rule and reign with the Lord, as He gives out geographical areas and responsibilities to the saints (the saved ones) over the nations of the world.

I'll be looking forward to that day...

Regards,
Star Traveler


77 posted on 01/01/2007 9:34:47 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: F15Eagle

A new "crusade" perhaps? I'd go.


78 posted on 01/01/2007 9:43:06 AM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: F15Eagle

You've got to love these "people of peace"....Muslims are so peaceful...</sar>


79 posted on 01/01/2007 9:53:45 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: F15Eagle

The article said -- "The Islamic Movement, the main Muslim political party in Nazareth, said it organized yesterday's march to celebrate Eid ul-Adha, or the Feast of the Sacrifice, which commemorates the Muslim belief Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Ishmael for Allah."

It was *right at the beginning* -- with Abraham -- that the two "lineages" depart from one another. And from that, we can see who is the true Messiah (and thus, the true faith) versus the false one and the "usurper" (AKA Satan, or the coming Antichrist, the one who pretends to be the true Messiah, but is the usurper).

God carefully picked the "line" that the Messiah (the coming Savior) was going to come through and gave the promises to Abraham. That's why the God of the Christians and Jews is called the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob". This was confirmed over and over again, by God, to each one of them, that His coming Messiah would be through their lineage. That's why Israel (Jacob's name was changed to "Israel" by God) was given the land in perpetuity. God owns it and gives it to Abraham's descendents, through the line of His Messiah.

The Muslims on the other hand, have created a false religion, direct from the usurper's hands (i.e., Satan) who gave these things to Mohammed to form the counterfeit religion (of Islam), which would attack the Jews and the coming true Messiah, and make way for the coming false messiah, whom Satan is going to give all power to, in that day when he comes (soon now...).

This false religion was created through the line of Abraham and Ishmael. It departed *right at the beginning* (Satan doesn't waste any time setting up his counterfeit). And so, using (and claiming) the initial promises to Abraham, Ishmael's llineage sets up the false religion by usurping the promises and diverting them to Ishmael. This is done, in spite of the fact that God continued to affirm these promises to Isaac and to Jacob, who then had his named changed to Israel (by God, Himself) and thus the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob's 12 sons).

And so, that's why when Christians and Jews *define* what God they are talking about, it's always "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" -- exactly like the Bible always defines it.

The Muslims have the promises of Abraham and Ishmael, and this does *not* include the land of Israel or the promised line of the Messiah.

All this -- that is going on in the Middle East -- is the classic battle between God and Satan, set up millennia in the past. We are now seeing the final culmination of it all -- in the next few years.

So, get ready, God's Messiah is coming again to take the Kingdom away from Satan and set up His rule and reign over all the nations of the earth from Israel.

Regards,
Star Traveler


80 posted on 01/01/2007 9:54:01 AM PST by Star Traveler
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81 posted on 01/01/2007 9:56:56 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: Niuhuru

You said -- "Am I the only person tired of Muslim filth?"

No, I'm sure many others are. However, this is the doing of Satan, the same one who started it all in the Garden of Eden. He's the one who set in motion the plan to contest who is going to control this earth. Right now the dominion is Satan's but the Messiah is coming to set up His Kingdom and it will last forever afterwards.

This current situation was set up back at the time of Abraham, when Satan used Ishmael to set up the false religion of Islam, to counter the coming Messiah and usurp His position. This one will be the Antichrist, or the one who *pretends* to be the "true Messiah". This false one, is the one the coming Messiah will destroy. This false one comes through the promises which were usurped by Ishmael. Ishmael was mocking Isaac back in his day -- and his descendents are still doing it today (to Israel).

We're going to see this "Muslim filth" all the way until the coming Messiah returns and sets up His Kingdom on this earth and rules and reigns over all the nations of this world from Jerusalem.

So, get used to seeing this false Muslim religion creating all sorts of trouble for the entire world, until the coming Messiah. This has all been foretold, by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, many centuries ago. We are now seeing the final acts in the "play". Armageddon is coming and all hell is going to break loose soon.

Regards,
Star Traveler


82 posted on 01/01/2007 10:00:57 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: F15Eagle

While destroying this ancient church would be a tragedy, as a Christian it is no more offensive to me than destroying any ancient archeological relic. I am a Christian, and the Spirit dwells within me. We no longer have a temple or a sacred area that is indwelt by the Spirit; we ourselves are vessels of the Holy Spirit.

What I am saying is that we should leave the Islamists to attach sacred significance to inanimate objects: land, mosques, relics, etc. As Christians we should hold fast to nothing but Christ. Burn down my church, and I will try to stop you and put you in jail, but my church will worship somewhere else next week.


83 posted on 01/01/2007 10:01:51 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: F15Eagle

You said -- "Much of the world is weary. Unfortunately, these clowns may be quite instrumental in *really* starting Armageddon."

Very true, they are going to be the ones who are the *key* to starting Armageddon. They are Satan's tools.

For a long time, many years ago -- before all the terrorism started on a world-wide scale, from the Muslims, I wondered *what* was going to be the *key thing* which brought the world to Armageddon. I couldn't see it. A lot of people couldn't see it.

But, now we can see it. It all fits. It goes back to the original promises given to Abraham, which Ishmael usurps and claims for himself -- while God grants to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- through the true line of the Messiah.

And so, you take that initial departure, back at the time of Abraham, add oil to the equation, the false religion of Islam, claiming those promises and claiming the "true line" of the messiah (which is the false messiah and the coming Antichrist), plus their "claim" to the land of Israel (which God gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendents in perpetuity) -- you have *all the ingredients* necessary for Armageddon.

This is it, folks. Get ready for it. It is coming....

Regards,
Star Traveler


84 posted on 01/01/2007 10:06:50 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Joe Boucher

You said -- "Instead of just killing maybe if mooselimbs actually contributed in a positive way to society in any way in say the last 1000 years or so."

The problem with that idea is that Satan formed this false religion of Islam for the express purpose of bringing about the destruction of Israel and their claim to the land and for opposing the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and trying to prevent the coming Messiah from setting up His world-wide Kingdom and ruling from the Throne of David, in Israel.

So, given that this was the original aim of the foundation of the false religion of Islam, it's not going to happen as you say...

Regards,
Star Traveler


85 posted on 01/01/2007 10:09:42 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: F15Eagle
Good afternoon, and Happy New Year!

Jesus the Christ told us many times that we would be persecuted, killed, etc. for His namesake.

Methinks it's long past time to return the favor. Massively, on an unprecedented scale. The Romans' final destruction of Carthage comes to mind.

5.56mm

86 posted on 01/01/2007 10:09:58 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: F15Eagle

You said -- "They are trying everything to eradicate Christianity and Judaism. They can take over every spot on the face of the Earth and it will not stop the Truth."

Yes, that's true. And this will drive the Jews to desperation. This will be desperate times for the Jews, but it's in God's plan for them to be refined through His "refiner's fire" and thereby acknowledge the coming and true Messiah, when they see Him coming in the clouds (and that's what they will do, according to what the Bible says).

Regards,
Star Traveler


87 posted on 01/01/2007 10:12:37 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Manic_Episode

You said -- "We here in the US have it so good we are spoiled and lazy and don't even know it. At the very least we need to pray for our persecuted brethren."

Another thing that the Jews and Christians over there would appreciate, along with those prayers -- is that people actually go over there and visit and spend time in Israel. They really appreciate that kind of support.

Regards,
Star Traveler


88 posted on 01/01/2007 10:14:11 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Cvengr; FreedomCalls

The Muslims do not agree that Mohammad founded Islam. They say that Islam is the natural and automatic religion of every baby born into this world, and that Adam and Eve, Abraham, Mary and Jesus, etc. were all Muslims. Indeed --- according to them ---- everyone is a Muslim until they fall into error (begin to practice some other religion.)

Then they claim (without even a shred of proof) that the Jews and Christians falsified their Scriptures, and Mohammad came to restore the full and original truth.

That's how they come up with this idea that everything, literally everything, rightfully belongs to them.

They really put the "mega" in megalomania.


89 posted on 01/01/2007 10:15:50 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever things are true, whatever are noble, just, pure, lovely--- brethren, think on these things.)
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To: albie

You said -- "And it is the hope that Jesus offers that actually is puzzling about 9/10 of the posts on this thread. Negative, descriptions of how horrible life WILL be in the US because of Muslims. Have some faith will ya?!
That's what I'm always taught in chuch."

It *is* going to be negative. I would call the Muslims hoards, the persecution of the Jews and Christians, and the driving of the Jews out of their land, the false Messiah (the Antichrist) and the seven years Tribulation (when all hell breaks loose in this world) and the Battle of Armageddon -- all very negative. It's all coming. So there are *definitely* things which are negative -- very much so.

The *only* positive aspect to this is that the coming Messiah, that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob promised, is coming at the end of those terrible seven years of Tribulation (during which time the Antichrist controls the whole world) and He sets up His 1,000 year reign upon this earth ruling and reigning over all the nations of the world.

That's the positive aspect, in that -- in the end - the Messiah does rule and reign and defeats all the enemies of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

But, in the meantime, you've got a *lot* of negative and terrible things happening. You can't ignore that. It's coming...

Regards,
Star Traveler


90 posted on 01/01/2007 10:23:45 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

As a famous Christian song from Andrew Crouch has said with its theme, "Soon and Very Soon", King Jesus will be coming back to claim this world back as His own and will establish His Kingdom.


91 posted on 01/01/2007 10:26:37 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Niuhuru


Hardly.


92 posted on 01/01/2007 10:30:01 AM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sadly the Father of Lies proving himself that he is.


93 posted on 01/01/2007 10:30:43 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: gitmogrunt

You said -- "Prayer is wonderful, but U.S. Military force is necessary to defeat islamic terrorism."

U.S. Military force will not defeat Islamic terrorism, because it will not defeat the religion of Islam. That's the problem. We are not in a war against Islam (according to the President) but rather, against certain terrorists.

That won't work, because the Islamic religion is a *terrorist* religion as as long as there is one Muslim around who believe in the Koran and Mohammed other sayings -- then there will always be terrorists.

The *only one* who will defeat Islam -- is going to be the coming Messiah, when He returns to earth to set up His Kingdom over all the nations of the earth -- and He will destory *all* false religions -- including the Islamic terroristic one.

So, sorry -- while the U.S. Military may be fighting a lot of battles and wars, in the meantime, they will *not* defeat Islamic terrorism. The best that they are going to do is keep it at a lower level than it would be if it were given absolutely free reign.

You've heard of the 100 Year War or the 30 Year War, well this is like that. It's going to be *continuing war* until the coming of the Messiah.

Regards,
Star


94 posted on 01/01/2007 10:33:53 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

"No, I'm sure many others are. However, this is the doing of Satan, the same one who started it all in the Garden of Eden. He's the one who set in motion the plan to contest who is going to control this earth. Right now the dominion is Satan's but the Messiah is coming to set up His Kingdom and it will last forever afterwards.

This current situation was set up back at the time of Abraham, when Satan used Ishmael to set up the false religion of Islam, to counter the coming Messiah and usurp His position. This one will be the Antichrist, or the one who *pretends* to be the "true Messiah". This false one, is the one the coming Messiah will destroy. This false one comes through the promises which were usurped by Ishmael. Ishmael was mocking Isaac back in his day -- and his descendents are still doing it today (to Israel)."


...And this war not only goes back to the time of the Garden of Eden, but also what we know now at the present Middle East conflicts go back to the time of Sarah and Hagar as well as Issac and Ishmael.


95 posted on 01/01/2007 10:38:53 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Basel2005

Looks like we're all in this together.


96 posted on 01/01/2007 10:39:39 AM PST by rabidralph (Happy New Year, y'all!)
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To: Biggirl

You said -- "And this war not only goes back to the time of the Garden of Eden, but also what we know now at the present Middle East conflicts go back to the time of Sarah and Hagar as well as Issac and Ishmael."

It's interesting to consider that Abraham faltered and had a "lapse" in the promises which were given to him -- in that he decided to ensure that they would actually be fulfilled, by getting Hagar to be the "line" through which these promises happened. And it was with the agreement of Sarah.

And in human reasoning, it would have seemed like a long time, with both of them being around 100 years old (approximately). Sarah probably thought that this might be the way it was supposed to happen and Abraham probably thought that he had to come up with something to help God along, a little bit.

Actually, what they did -- was create the present-day Middle East situation and conflict.

And then, God came along and said to them, No, Ishmael is not in the line of the promised coming Messiah. I will give you a son a year from now. And that happened.

But, God already knew what was going to happen, with Ishmael and Isaac. And Satan was also there to take advantage of the situation and make plans for the future -- which is where we are at now -- today.

So, it may have seemed to be a little thing back then, but it was quite huge -- as we see, today, in the Middle East and with the coming Battle of Armageddon.

Regards,
Star Traveler


97 posted on 01/01/2007 10:54:38 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: F15Eagle
Eid ul-Adha, or the Feast of the Sacrifice, which commemorates the Muslim belief Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Ishmael for Allah.

Nice twisting of history there...

98 posted on 01/01/2007 10:54:49 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

yes I posted this on another thread regarding that.

like all else, it's a twist of the original Biblical, indeed Torah / Tanakh story.

Abram was told by the God of Israel that he would have a son, an heir. Abram listened to wife Sarai and had a kid with the slave-girl Hagar. Gee honey, thanks.

This was not the child God had in mind.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2016:1-16&version=49;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:16-21&version=49;

Of course, Ishmael was born. Abram was told he was mistaken and that there would be another. This child was Isaac.

Abram was told to offer Isaac, his only son as a sacrifice to which Abram obeyed. This of course was a foreshadowing of God offering His Only Son (as we Christians believe). God stopped Abram from sacrificing Isaac.

In the koran version, Satan tempts Abram into offering Ishmael and scares off a supernatural being, by throwing rocks at him.

I choose the former story. Not this version which popped up in the 7th century.


99 posted on 01/01/2007 11:34:49 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

We can hope to convert *some* of them. But we will not convert all of them nor the majority I believe. They are pushing to squash our Faith.


100 posted on 01/01/2007 11:37:16 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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