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Duke To Reinstate Seligmann, Finnerty (DukeLax)
WTVD ^ | January 3, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 01/03/2007 10:57:18 AM PST by abb

(01/03/07 -- DURHAM) - Duke lacrosse defendants Colin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann are both expected to be reinstated today as Duke students in good standing, two sources close to the case told ABC News. Also on abc11tv.com: Send us news tips | Desktop Alert | ABC11 AccuWeather | Pinpoint Traffic Defendant David Evans was allowed to graduate last spring, but underclassmen Seligmann and Finnerty were suspended from the University pending a resolution of the assault charges.

December 22, 2006, prosecutors dropped rape charges against the three Duke lacrosse players accused of attacking a stripper at a team party, but the three still face kidnapping and sexual offense charges.

According to court papers filed by District Attorney Mike Nifong, the accuser says she now does not know if she was penetrated during the alleged attack.

The accuser, a 28-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, has said three men raped her in a bathroom at a March 13 Duke lacrosse team party where she was hired to perform as a stripper.

The indicted players - Dave Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann - all say they are innocent, and their attorneys have consistently said no sex occurred at the party.

Evans graduated from Duke in May, the day before he was indicted. Sophomores Finnerty and Seligmann were suspended following their April 2006 indictments.

The Duke lacrosse team was also suspended from play, but was reinstated in June on a provisionary basis.

A press conference from defense attorneys is expected this afternoon.

Stay with abc11tv.com and ABC11 Eyewitness News for the latest on this developing story.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham; nifong
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To: SuziQ

No gots.


151 posted on 01/03/2007 1:03:56 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
So, in the end, what damage has been done to the young men's reputations? They're not rapists. Maybe their reputation will be that of "whoremonger" for a few years. Big whoop.

You can't possibly be this ignorant. They were kicked out of college. Their families were forced to spend untold hundreds of thousands of dollars for attorneys. Their lacrosse team was disbanded. The senior lacrosse players at Duke had their pre-graduation job offers revoked.

You know what...if you honestly think all of that is okay, I hope you are unjustly charged and bankrupted by the legal fees.

152 posted on 01/03/2007 1:04:08 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Locomotive Breath
You're insisting that they suffer the consequences for their non actions.

I'll try to make this clearer for you.

The action was hiring a stripper.

Sure, maybe 99 times out of 100, it's a safe thing to do, with no consequences at all.

But, there's always the chance that cavorting with a woman of questionable moral character will burn you. That's what happened here. The consequence is damage to their reputations. (Note to all: The subject of this thread-within-the-thread is "who will restore these young men's reputations?")

153 posted on 01/03/2007 1:04:12 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

I think even you will agree that these boys got more than "lumps" for their mistake.


154 posted on 01/03/2007 1:04:21 PM PST by Carolinamom (Thank God that Mary and Joseph were not pro-choicers.)
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To: abb
These two guys should tell Duke "sure we'll come back but you'll be paying full tuition otherwise were suing".
155 posted on 01/03/2007 1:04:47 PM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: abb

I'd tell them to screw off. Go to UNC.


156 posted on 01/03/2007 1:05:11 PM PST by 1L
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To: Carolinamom
I think even you will agree that these boys got more than "lumps" for their mistake.

Yes, sometimes the lumps end up being bigger than we ever imagined.

Oh, well. That's the chance we take.

157 posted on 01/03/2007 1:06:03 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

Man, guess you were just perfect in college. They are 21 and wanted to have some dancers. Get a grip man....Don't be so sanctimonius (not sure spelled right)


158 posted on 01/03/2007 1:06:17 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: newgeezer

The appropriate consequence for hiring a stripper and getting caught at it is being kicked out of the Bible study. You seem to lack all sense of proportion. That's OK. Your turn around the wheel will come.


159 posted on 01/03/2007 1:06:38 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
But, if not for the fact that these nice young gentlemen hired a stripper (dog) to bump and grind for their lovely little party, NONE of the damage (fleas) would have occurred.

Thank you Mother Teresa.

You sound just a bit santimonious my friend.

Sounds like you never went to college. That is SOP for most frat parties. Get a life.

160 posted on 01/03/2007 1:08:43 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Peach
They were kicked out of college. Their families were forced to spend untold hundreds of thousands of dollars for attorneys. Their lacrosse team was disbanded. The senior lacrosse players at Duke had their pre-graduation job offers revoked. You know what...if you honestly think all of that is okay

Uh, no, from the beginning of this, my commentary has ONLY been about "restoring their reputations."

I'm sorry if that has been anything less than abundantly clear.

161 posted on 01/03/2007 1:09:38 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
"when do they get their reputations reinstated?
As the saying goes, "When you lie down with dogs, you might wake up with fleas."

Tsk, tsk, tsk."

They've been accused of rape, the most heinous crime possible. The damage to their reputation by such a charge is infinitely worse than being accused of watching strippers and drinking beer. This is classic moral equivalence thinking, the kind I'd expect from DU. Do you not understand this or do you get your jollies showing your moral superiority?
162 posted on 01/03/2007 1:11:08 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: newgeezer

>>But, if not for the fact that these nice young gentlemen hired a stripper (dog) to bump and grind for their lovely little party, NONE of the damage (fleas) would have occurred.<<

This is truly a stupid comment. If they hadn't gotten out of bed that day, this wouldn't have happened either.

They engaged the services of someone offering those services. Was it tasteful? No. Was it responsible? No, but I'll leave the judgement of that to their coach and parents. Where in the world do you get that engaging in immature, silly, and even stupid, behavior puts someone on the hook for malicious prosecution, defamation, false arrest, etc?

Getting arrested for rape isn't even a remotely foreseeable consequence of hiring a stripper. Getting yelled at or suspended by the coach is, and if that were the case, you might have a point. But here, your idea is ludicrous.


163 posted on 01/03/2007 1:11:36 PM PST by 1L
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To: newgeezer
You seem to be unaware of your own posts. This is what you said:

So, in the end, what damage has been done to the young men's reputations? They're not rapists. Maybe their reputation will be that of "whoremonger" for a few years. Big whoop.

It's a pretty big whoop when someone gets kicked out of college, death threats received, the team and sport for which you've trained for years is disbanded and your parents are forced to spend gobs of money.

But hey, big whoop.

164 posted on 01/03/2007 1:12:14 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Too bad. If he's disbarred, can he be removed from office?


165 posted on 01/03/2007 1:13:20 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Howlin
I do agree with you-it would be the best of all possible scenarios if the Duke 3 were found innocent in a court of law of all charges. But (to paraphrase Thomas Sowell) all Nifong needs is one juror with a racial score to settle. Or a feminist woman who firmly believes "No woman ever lies about being raped!" and holds that belief with such fervor no evidence will change her thinking. Or just a juror who thinks finding the boys guilty , perhaps of one lesser charge, would head off any post-trial riots ....
166 posted on 01/03/2007 1:15:17 PM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: woofer2425
You took the words right out of my mouth. Compensation plus full scholarships, but why go back to all the ugliness and aggravation? Obtain the best lawyer and sue, sue sue!!!! Go after the university and the it who calls himself a what??????prosecutor?????/seoul62..........
167 posted on 01/03/2007 1:15:53 PM PST by seoul62 (Just asking, Seoul62)
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To: SuziQ
If Nifong is disbarred or has his license suspended he can not be the DA of Durham.
168 posted on 01/03/2007 1:16:00 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: newgeezer
You're right. Generally speaking, strippers-for-hire have exactly the same morals as any other woman you might invite to a party.

Aint you the sanctimonious one!! The next time your'e caught speeding on the highway maybe they can arrest you for a hit and run 20 miles back and if you werent there you can tell it to the judge in 15 months. Oh, and if you dont want to get arrested for causing an accident then stay off the road a-hole!

169 posted on 01/03/2007 1:16:12 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: newgeezer

Why don't you just whoop it over to DU? They' love ya there....maybe swap stories about how they too lay down w/dogs and look where they are now...at DU.


170 posted on 01/03/2007 1:16:15 PM PST by Carolinamom (Thank God that Mary and Joseph were not pro-choicers.)
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To: newgeezer
The players that hired the stripper should have been punished by the University, assuming that hiring a stripper is something that is still frowned upon by Universities.

To imply that because some students hired a stripper, 3 of them should expect to be publicly charged with rape by a corrupt prosecutor, have their names dragged through the mud and face a peecee lynching that could have literally destroyed their lives is extraordinarly callous.

171 posted on 01/03/2007 1:18:11 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: SuziQ
I've been wondering about how that would work. I assume that if he loses his law license he can no longer go before the bar in court. Does that mean he could keep his job and send his licensed ADAs into court? Or is there some firm rule that a DA is automatically fired? I don't know how that would work.
172 posted on 01/03/2007 1:18:26 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: abb

The only reason they should return to Duke is to serve their summonses on the President of the University, Blohard or whatever his name is.


173 posted on 01/03/2007 1:18:41 PM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: mc5cents
Get a life.

Am I to understand that you believe it's unjust for a young man to suffer some damage to his reputation for hiring a stripper?

Because—this is important—that's ALL my comments have been about; if you follow my posts in this thread, you'll see that. Someone asked, "When do they get their reputations reinstated?"

Every time I see someone shedding any tears about these boys' "reputations," I respond consistently. Actions carry consequences. If they come away as reputed whoremongers, where's the injustice?

174 posted on 01/03/2007 1:18:53 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

"Didn't it have the idea that if Finnerty transfers he'll have the new campus immediately peg him as that "Duke Rape Kid" and have to set about clearing his name again on that campus. "

He will have that problem everywhere for years and possibly for the rest of his life. Rape charges, whether false or true, haunt the exhonerated for the rest of their lives. This kid will always be known as the "Duke rape kid" and will always be subject to comments and glances and doubt. Its a damn shame what this DA has done to these three boys. Things can never go back to the way they were before the charges.


175 posted on 01/03/2007 1:20:29 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: newgeezer

Er... "suffer some damage"

You're kidding right?


176 posted on 01/03/2007 1:20:42 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer

didn't one leave before the stripper even took off her clothes? im not positive but if so he shouldn't even have a reputation of whoremonger.


177 posted on 01/03/2007 1:21:09 PM PST by ryan125
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To: newgeezer

Man I'm going back to the Talk Left board, the trolls are smarter there. LOL


178 posted on 01/03/2007 1:21:22 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: newgeezer
...spare me the crying about the boys' reputations....

I see. Anyone who has attended a strip show deserves the same reputation as a brutal rapist. So no harm done here.

By the way, how are things up there on planet Head Up Your Ass nowadays?

179 posted on 01/03/2007 1:22:00 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: SmoothTalker

You are absolutely correct but he will not have to explain himself on the Duke campus like he would on some other campus. Everyone at Duke will know the whole story of how he got screwed over and except for the idiot leftists I think most of the students will be sympathetic to him. That would not be the case elsewhere.


180 posted on 01/03/2007 1:22:32 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
I would, if I thought it could possibly be anything but a complete waste of time.

At least we agree on something.

181 posted on 01/03/2007 1:23:12 PM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: newgeezer

"But, if not for the fact that these nice young gentlemen hired a stripper (dog) to bump and grind for their lovely little party, NONE of the damage (fleas) would have occurred."

Oh come on. Is hiring strippers a good thing? No. Does it warrent having your reputation destroyed like this? Of course not.


182 posted on 01/03/2007 1:23:17 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: newgeezer
When I got burned because I played with fire, I took my lumps.

I ask again: How did you play with fire and what lumps did you take?

183 posted on 01/03/2007 1:24:12 PM PST by Ken H
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To: newgeezer

Court TV. You should like Coldwater & Co.


184 posted on 01/03/2007 1:24:46 PM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: abb
Nifong had to get past the swearing in and now has the status of "elected official". They'll send him home WITH PAY while the Bar Accusations are pending. He'll sit by his pool and laugh at everything.

He's a Dem all the way!!!

As far as I know, he has never done private work being always an appointee. He'll retire, collect a big fat pension and do some consultant work for some Dem who owes him.

185 posted on 01/03/2007 1:25:27 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: San Jacinto
"By the way, how are things up there on planet Head Up Your Ass nowadays?"

Coffee snorting funny.

I think planet Head Up Your Ass is somewhere near Uranus.

Who in the Hell uses the word "Whoremonger" anyhow.
186 posted on 01/03/2007 1:26:39 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: Ken H

I am thinking a few to the head.


187 posted on 01/03/2007 1:26:46 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

While there may be a few poor sports left, I believe the boys would find
a most welcoming embrace from the vast majority of their classmates.
Getting back on the lacrosse field again and going for the championship
would be a positive goal. It truly is a difficult decision, though.


188 posted on 01/03/2007 1:27:08 PM PST by xoxoxox
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To: Puppage

Trying to head off a lawsuit, perhaps?



And I hope it does not work. The three need to become millionaires at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


189 posted on 01/03/2007 1:28:23 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Locomotive Breath
"... Didn't it have the idea that if Finnerty transfers he'll have the new campus immediately peg him as that "Duke Rape Kid" and have to set about clearing his name again on that campus."

If things go right for Finnerty, the students at his new college will peg him as "That Kid Duke Wrongly Accused Of Rape" every time he pulls into the student parking lot in his Ferrari F599 GTB playing 'Pimps Up, Hoes Down' through his 1000-watt sound system.

190 posted on 01/03/2007 1:30:08 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: don'tbedenied
I think planet Head Up Your Ass is somewhere near Uranus.

Darn you! You made me look.

191 posted on 01/03/2007 1:32:20 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: The KG9 Kid

The thing I've run across is that people who haven't followed this as closely are still stuck back in March and who will think of him as "That Duke Kid Who Got Away With Rape".


192 posted on 01/03/2007 1:32:32 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer

Where's the proof these students are "whoremongers"? They hired a stripper. Although crying "rape" and prosecuting people for a non-existent crime goes far beyond it, bearing false witness also seems to be a bit of a problem for you.


193 posted on 01/03/2007 1:34:12 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: newgeezer
you believe it's unjust for a young man to suffer some damage to his reputation for hiring a stripper?

Well,well,well..we've got a holy roller here! Mr Perfect, ever commit a misdemeanor in your life?? Heh? And these boys didnt even break the law, except if you count having some beer in a paper cup..

Hey, how about the next time you jaywalk (nearly equivalent "crime") you get arrested for rape? Sound like fun, numbnutz?

194 posted on 01/03/2007 1:34:15 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: The KG9 Kid
As in I still find myself having to explain to other people that the D.C. thing was

1) not gay bashing
2) Finnerty never hit anyone
3) Finnerty was sucker punched in the back of the head
195 posted on 01/03/2007 1:34:56 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
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196 posted on 01/03/2007 1:35:21 PM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: newgeezer

Wake Up!!! Your uncles, brothers, male friends, etc.. have all seen strippers at some point in time. Playboy has made a pretty good living on "paper strippers" and their clubs. No waiters there!!!!


197 posted on 01/03/2007 1:35:52 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: xoxoxox
First thing I would do upon re-entering campus would be to pee on Shadee Malaklou's door knob and dare her to do anything about it.
198 posted on 01/03/2007 1:37:33 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
Am I to understand that you believe it's unjust for a young man to suffer some damage to his reputation for hiring a stripper?

In a word, yes. Why should a man "suffer" damage to his reputation for doing something that is considered, shall we say, "normal" in the life of most male college students. Why, if that were the case then we would have no one running for office these days. I can assure you that a lot of your "upstanding pillars of the community" have been to parties with either strippers or belly dancers involved in the festivities when they were young. Beleive me, it is no big deal, and normal.

199 posted on 01/03/2007 1:39:03 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Sacajaweau
Hey it isn't just men. I was more surprised when the "telephone man" showed up... with his boom box!!!

Needless to say I was embarrassed but laughing my butt off!

It was all harmless, but definitely inappropriate...LOL

I am just glad Nifong was not in my county! ;)

200 posted on 01/03/2007 1:41:03 PM PST by Repub4bush (FWF.....Speechless!)
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