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Duke To Reinstate Seligmann, Finnerty (DukeLax)
WTVD ^ | January 3, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 01/03/2007 10:57:18 AM PST by abb

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To: nctexan
I prefaced that this was an intuitive post. It might be what some parents are thinking regarding sending a student to North Carolina after observing Nifong, the white haters around Durham, and the North Carolina justice system. Therefore I am exempt from responding to your impossible request! So THERE! :)
241 posted on 01/03/2007 2:23:09 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: don'tbedenied
Who in the Hell uses the word "Whoremonger" anyhow.

Protestent ministers who operate out of Churches they bought from General Steel and forgot the thing about everyone being sinners. Frequrently, they wind up in the news later for being Gay.

242 posted on 01/03/2007 2:23:50 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Ken H

You forgot the "Rick" :)


243 posted on 01/03/2007 2:23:55 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
by now, everyone knows they're not rapists

I have been trying to see your point through all your posts, but believing that "everyone" knows they're not rapists is incredibly naive. There are a whole bunch of people who still think that these boys are guilty of rape, and that the DA has pressured Mangum into recanting her story. That's where the damage to their reputations comes in. There are those who will think that getting the IDs tossed is just a "technicality". There are people out there who STILL believe that Mangum was raped, sodomized, and beaten at a privileged white boys' party. That these people are ignorant doesn't matter. The accused rapists' reputations have been permanently marred by this, in much the same way as someone who has truly been raped suffers (one of the reasons for the rape shield laws).

244 posted on 01/03/2007 2:24:12 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ken H
For the THIRD time: are you going to tell us how you "played with fire" and what lumps you took?

You can ask a hundred times if you want. I made plenty of dumb choices in my college days and I suffered the just consequences for a good many years. Now, for you, I'm supposed to put it all out here so that people who know me on this board but know nothing about my past can know all about it now? Yeah, right.

245 posted on 01/03/2007 2:24:14 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

Did you suffer unjust consequences? I doubt it.


246 posted on 01/03/2007 2:25:30 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: newgeezer
I'm haven't passed judgment on them any more than I would expect others (yourself included) to pass judgment on me if I got caught doing something stupid.

If? You implied that you DID get caught doing something stupid and that you took your lumps for it.

You're quite free with the whoremonger label and the "tsking", now how about you tell us about your high crimes or misdemeanors.

247 posted on 01/03/2007 2:29:55 PM PST by Ken H
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To: newgeezer
This was the teams spring break party, some of the guys hired strippers is not the point. You called these boys whoremongers which is not true.

Reade is a fine young man who does more than his share of charity work, and helps young kids with sports in his community. He is very well liked and admired for all he does.

It is more of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What if you went to a party and in the backroom you found out people were doing drugs and decided to leave..and the party was busted and someone (who was drugged out of their mind) identified you in a line up and said you are the one that brought the drugs.

3 weeks later the police charge you with being at the party trafficking drugs. Do you think that would be fair? After a lengthy trial and million $$ spent on defense you were found not guilty. How do you get your reputation back? Or is it OK for people to say, "There goes that drug dealer!"

248 posted on 01/03/2007 2:29:58 PM PST by Repub4bush (FWF.....Speechless!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Thread Highjacking Alert!


249 posted on 01/03/2007 2:35:00 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Repub4bush

Thread Highjacking Alert!


250 posted on 01/03/2007 2:35:29 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Ken H

Thread Highjacking Alert!


251 posted on 01/03/2007 2:35:57 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Mad-Margaret

Thread Highjacking Alert!


252 posted on 01/03/2007 2:36:40 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: newgeezer
"If they come away as reputed whoremongers, where's the injustice?"

I'll agree with you if you pay their legal bills.

253 posted on 01/03/2007 2:39:08 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise

Thread Highjacking Alert!


254 posted on 01/03/2007 2:39:40 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

I was kind of viewing it as a gang troll beat down.


255 posted on 01/03/2007 2:41:55 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: don'tbedenied
I was kind of viewing it as a gang troll beat down.

LOL, it was that fer sure.

256 posted on 01/03/2007 2:44:26 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

Last Updated: 1/3/07 at 5:07 PM EST
DUKE OFFERS TO REINSTATE FINNERTY, SELIGMANN
Online Update 1/3
Staff Reports The Chronicle

Duke officials have offered to reinstate Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann for the spring semester, President Richard Brodhead confirmed Wednesday afternoon.

The decision, which could allow the two to graduate with their class and make them eligible for the upcoming lacrosse season, comes nearly two weeks after Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong dropped charges of rape against all three indicted members of the 2005-2006 men's lacrosse team.

David Evans, the third player indicted, graduated with his class last May. The three still face charges of kidnapping and sexual offense.

"We have decided that the right and fair thing to do is to welcome back Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty to resume their studies at Duke for the spring semester," Brodhead said in a statement. "Although the students still face serious charges and larger issues require Duke's collective attention, the circumstances in this case have changed substantially, and it is appropriate that the students have an opportunity to continue their education."

In a memo to Brodhead Jan. 2, Larry Moneta, vice president for student affairs, said that although the charges against the two are still unresolved and very serious, the "totality of circumstances" has changed in such a way that the University now feels the two should have the chance to resume as students in good standing.

"As circumstances have evolved, we have attempted to balance recognition of the gravity of legal charges with the presumption of innocence, and concern for the well-being of the community with the students' needs to continue their education," Moneta said in the report. "Circumstances have clearly changed. At this point, further extension of the students' leaves would do unwarranted harm to their educational progress."

Finnerty's father, Kevin Finnerty, told The Chronicle Wednesday afternoon that Collin had been reinstated and that Collin and his family will not make a final decision on Duke's offer until all charges have been dropped.

"We are hopeful for successful resolution to these charges ASAP so Collin can move on with his life academically and athletically," Kevin Finnerty wrote in an e-mail. "We need to focus all of our attention to attain the right [innocent] outcome to these false accusations."

Moneta, who called Finnerty to announce the University's decision, said that he believes Finnerty is now leaning toward returning to campus for the spring semester.

Seligmann was not immediately available to speak about whether or not he will return. Moneta said Seligmann and his family were still tyring to weigh the consquences and implications of returning.

"We are also glad that Duke University has now made it clear that Reade is welcome to return to the University and look forward to the day that he can return to living a normal life and continuing his education as a full-time student," the Seligmann family said in a statement Wednesday. "By now it should be plain to any person who has any objectivity that the charges against Reade are transparently false."

Should they ultimately choose to return, Finnerty and Seligmann would be
eligible to compete for the Blue Devils this spring, members of the Department
of Athletics confirmed this week.

"There would be no question as to their eligibility," said Chris Kennedy, senior associate director of athletics.

Throughout the ongoing legal case, head coach John Danowski has maintained his stance that the indicted underclassmen would be eagerly welcomed back to the team once they are reinstated to the University. He reiterated his desire for the players to return in an interview with The Chronicle last week.

Though the complete schedule has not been released, Duke begins its 2007
campaign at home against Dartmouth Feb. 24.


257 posted on 01/03/2007 2:47:24 PM PST by xoxoxox
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To: Ohioan from Florida; newgeezer
Not only are the boys not rapists, they are not whore mongers according to the definition that was posted. So - NEWGEEZER - will you agree that they are not whore mongers either?
258 posted on 01/03/2007 2:48:47 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: abb
You know this tread has caused me to reflect that even as we debate whether or not anyone in the country still believes these guys are rapists, THE CASE CONTINUES. The prosecutor was elected a mere two months ago and was sworn in yesterday. It is just amazing.
259 posted on 01/03/2007 2:51:59 PM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: Locomotive Breath
Did you suffer unjust consequences?

Nope.

Granted, these young men appear to be suffering some unjust consequences. But, the damage to their reputations isn't unjust.

By and large, we all deserve whatever damage is done to our reputations. Walter Williams said much the same just the other day when he subbed for Rush.

260 posted on 01/03/2007 2:52:18 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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