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French judge bars group's pork soup plan
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Posted on 01/06/2007 7:52:31 AM PST by ZGuy

A top French judge ruled that an extreme-right group cannot serve pork soup to the needy, saying the charitable handouts aim to discriminate against Muslims and Jews who don't eat pork because of their faith.

Judge Christian Vigouroux of the Council of State, the country's highest administrative body, said late Friday that such giveaways by the far-right group Solidarity of the French threaten public order.

His ruling approved a decision by Paris police to refuse permits to the group on the grounds that such handouts could spark angry reactions.

France is home to more than 5 million Muslims and some 600,000 Jews. Both Islam and Judaism prohibit eating pork, and Vigouroux said the group had shown "a clearly discriminatory goal" with its charity.

Solidarity of the French was just one of several far-right groups that began distributing pork soup across France over the last four years.

Critics contend the giveaway of pork soup is a far-right ploy to draw support for their efforts to defend against perceived threats to European culture.

Far-right groups defend the soup as nothing more than an age-old staple of the rural heartland from which all the French, at least in the national imagination, are said to spring.

"Pork-fat soup is traditionally the soup of the poor because it provides complete nourishment," said Bruno Le Griel, a lawyer for the group.

Le Griel argued that no needy Jew or Muslim was forced to consume the pork soup. But the judge said the group's Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: dhimmitude; eurabia; france
Last Tuesday a French court ruled the opposite : French court rules pork soup kitchen not racist
1 posted on 01/06/2007 7:52:33 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Just more proof, if needed, that the French have no sense of humor whatsoever.


2 posted on 01/06/2007 7:55:25 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: ZGuy
Maybe they'll ban pork next.

Heck, maybe they'll ban just thinking about pork.

3 posted on 01/06/2007 7:56:41 AM PST by SIDENET (Everybody was kung-fu fighting)
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To: ZGuy

I guess in France beggars can be choosers.


4 posted on 01/06/2007 7:57:24 AM PST by magslinger (An open mind is like an outhouse. Sooner or later someone is going to fill it.)
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To: magslinger

Why don't they just pick out the pork and eat the rest ?


5 posted on 01/06/2007 7:59:29 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: ZGuy

May I assume then that no meat will be distributed in any form, as that would discriminate against Hindus?


6 posted on 01/06/2007 8:01:43 AM PST by Spok (He who bites the hands that feeds him will lick the boot that kicks him.)
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To: ZGuy

"Pork-fat soup is traditionally the soup of the poor because it provides complete nourishment," said Bruno Le Griel, a lawyer for the group.
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man, i'm not a muslim, but i sure wouldn't eat pork FAT soup!
yuck!


7 posted on 01/06/2007 8:02:58 AM PST by drhogan
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To: ZGuy

LET 'EM EAT CAKE! (I couldn't resist.)


8 posted on 01/06/2007 8:03:02 AM PST by Spok (He who bites the hands that feeds him will lick the boot that kicks him.)
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To: ZGuy
...on the grounds that such handouts could spark angry reactions.

Apparently it is now a crime not to appease Islam in France.

9 posted on 01/06/2007 8:05:30 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Spok

when I was growing up, my mom always, always, always gave us two choices for dinner..take it, or leave it..if we left it, which was rarely unless she made beef liver, we went hungry (although we did munch on apples and stuff)..

it seems to me this is along the same lines..if you don't want to eat pork soup, don't eat it..find another handout somewhere..


10 posted on 01/06/2007 8:06:29 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Anything that has ever touched any part of a pig is forbidden. We're talking about people who don't use deodorant because it is made from gelatin from pigs.

Besides, the issue is not the soup, it's control. As it always is with Islamderthals.

11 posted on 01/06/2007 8:07:09 AM PST by magslinger (An open mind is like an outhouse. Sooner or later someone is going to fill it.)
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To: ZGuy
... such giveaways by the far-right group Solidarity of the French threaten public order.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it is ignorant, blood thirsty, koran reading Barbarians who are a threat to public order.
12 posted on 01/06/2007 8:07:17 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: drhogan

get hungry enough, you'd eat it..you may not like it, but it's food..


13 posted on 01/06/2007 8:08:20 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

well, maybe i would take the pork fat soup, use it to trap a stray animal or a rat, and barbecue the animal.
i would prefer barbecued rat to pork fat soup.

and if i were THAT hungry, i would probably beg in the street for money to buy bread, rather than eat the pork fat soup.


14 posted on 01/06/2007 8:17:43 AM PST by drhogan
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To: drhogan
man, i'm not a muslim, but i sure wouldn't eat pork FAT soup!

yuck!

I often start a soup by rendering a nice piece of salt pork, which is almost entirely pork fat. I serve the soup with plenty of bread so that every drop of broth can be sopped up.

Dish washing on soup night at the Magslinger Compound is a breeze!

15 posted on 01/06/2007 8:20:00 AM PST by magslinger (An open mind is like an outhouse. Sooner or later someone is going to fill it.)
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To: magslinger
"I guess in France beggars can be choosers."

It gets better:
Note in last lines;
No dessert for those who don't clean their plates.

Now that's what I'd call hard line!

16 posted on 01/06/2007 8:22:57 AM PST by norton
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To: ZGuy; pinkpanther111; CurtisLeMay; theothercheek; kiriath_jearim; Gadfly-At-Large; pryncessraych; ..

+

If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



17 posted on 01/06/2007 8:24:41 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Spok
LET 'EM EAT CAKE! (I couldn't resist.)

Nope. Read this:

But the judge said the group's Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

No cake without eating your pork fat soup.

18 posted on 01/06/2007 8:26:40 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: ZGuy
But the judge said the group's Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!

19 posted on 01/06/2007 8:26:50 AM PST by RonF
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To: magslinger

"I often start a soup by rendering a nice piece of salt pork, which is almost entirely pork fat."
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i have no problem with anyone else eating pork fat, or liking pork fat.
i actually got hungy when i was watching the indiana jones movie where they were eating snakes and monkey brains, or whatever it was, and went for a snack.


20 posted on 01/06/2007 8:27:08 AM PST by drhogan
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To: narses

In a nearby large city, there is a charity which often feeds the homeless ham sandwiches. They deliver boxed lunches to homeless hangouts under bridges, certain parks, etc.

I was thinking after seeing a new piece on the charity's good works that before you know it, someone is going to call the sandwiches discriminatory.


21 posted on 01/06/2007 8:30:20 AM PST by sockmonkey (Die, Possums, Die)
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To: norton
"Wrong, Do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
Pink Floyd, Another Brick In The Wall (part 2)

What I thought when I saw that line.
I'm sorry if I just spread an earworm.

22 posted on 01/06/2007 8:30:43 AM PST by magslinger (An open mind is like an outhouse. Sooner or later someone is going to fill it.)
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To: drhogan
i actually got hungy when i was watching the indiana jones movie where they were eating snakes and monkey brains, or whatever it was, and went for a snack.

I'll take salt pork or chit'lins over monkey brains any day.

23 posted on 01/06/2007 8:31:45 AM PST by sockmonkey (Die, Possums, Die)
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To: sockmonkey

Mostly, French cuisine is a high art admired the world over. I dont remember pork soup from my student days there. There was salty water with crated carrots that was uninspired. But it was the mushy blowfish under cream sauce that got us to rise in unison and leave the cafeteria.


24 posted on 01/06/2007 8:36:36 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ZGuy

"No soup for you!!!"

25 posted on 01/06/2007 8:43:14 AM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: sockmonkey

They are.


26 posted on 01/06/2007 8:53:57 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: magslinger

"Go Home, Do it Again . . ."


27 posted on 01/06/2007 8:57:17 AM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (proud sponsor of the "helmets for democrats" foundation)
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To: ZGuy

This thread is meaningless without recipes.


28 posted on 01/06/2007 8:57:21 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: ZGuy
His ruling approved a decision by Paris police to refuse permits to the group on the grounds that such handouts could spark angry reactions.

Not much of legal basis for the decision, eh?...The law of the land apparently is 'whatever that which will appease violent.'

29 posted on 01/06/2007 8:57:28 AM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: magslinger

I guess I knew that.


30 posted on 01/06/2007 9:03:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Last Dakotan

Guess this rules out headrag football, then.


31 posted on 01/06/2007 9:04:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: ZGuy

Two problems can be solved at once by feeding the homeless to the hungry.


32 posted on 01/06/2007 9:09:40 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Guess this rules out headrag football, then.

....or "Kick the Koran".

33 posted on 01/06/2007 9:22:08 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I'm getting hongry....


34 posted on 01/06/2007 9:24:57 AM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: drhogan
man, i'm not a muslim, but i sure wouldn't eat pork FAT soup! yuck!

What if they crush up some pork rinds to give it a little body.

All broths are in essence "fat soup", although there's some protein in there too. If you cool it and skim off the fat, you get a "low fat" broth, that is fine for us fat guys, but if you're freezing out on the streets of gay Paris, you'd be well advised to take it "straight".

BTW, do you like re-fried beans on a flour tortilla? Made with lard, aka, pork fat.

35 posted on 01/06/2007 9:56:31 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ZGuy
Unrelated but french and interesting
36 posted on 01/06/2007 10:17:28 AM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Last Dakotan

I can't believe how hard it was to find a recipe for pork..

Potée bourguignonne (Pork Soup)
Serves 4

½ lb. salt pork, chopped fine
2 pig’s knuckles (pork hock, or what-have-you)
6 sausages (good frankfurters, knockwurst, or similar)
2 leeks (white only) thoroughly cleaned and chopped
1 large onion, peeled and chopped
2 carrots, peeled and sliced into ¼ inch rounds
1 medium cabbage, cleaned and chopped
2 medium turnips, peeled and cut into ½ inch cubes
2 large potatoes, peeled and cut into ½ inch cubes
Bouquet garni (thyme, bay, parsley bound together with string)
Salt and pepper
Water

In a large soup pot render the salt pork out a little over low to medium heat. Do not brown!
Add the onion, leeks, carrot, sausages, and pig’s knuckle and saute for three minutes.
Add the remaining ingredients except for the turnips and potatoes, cover with 3 quarts of water, and bring to the simmer.
Add salt and freshly ground pepper.
Reduce the heat, cover partially, and allow to simmer for 1 hour 40 minutes.
Add the potatoes and turnips and simmer for an additional half hour.
Remove the bouquet garni and the pig’s knuckles (unless you’ve got a pig’s knuckles sort of group), adjust the seasoning, and serve.
You’ll probably want to delay peeling and cutting the potatoes until you’re ready to cook them to prevent them from discoloring.



Rich country broth

750g / 1 1/2lb dried haricot beans soaked over night
250g / 8ozs of ham diced
500g / 1lb streaky pork diced
1 turnip sliced
125g / 4ozs pork fat chopped
2 to 3 potatoes sliced
1 stick of celery diced
1 large bouquet garni
1 onion stuck with 2 cloves
2 garlic cloves finely chopped
2 tablespoons chopped parsley
salt and pepper
1.5 ltr / 3pts of hot water
thinly sliced bread

Put the beans in a large pan cover with water. Add the ham and pork then bring to the boil, Saute half the turnip in the pork fat until golden. Add to the beans the remaining turnip, potatoes, carrots, celery, bouquet garni, onion, garlic and parsley. Season with salt and pepper pour in the hot water and return to the boil. Cover and simmer gently over a low heat for 2 1/2 hours. Then pour the soup into a tureen over the bread and serve.


I wonder if either of them is close to what they're serving..


37 posted on 01/06/2007 12:43:16 PM PST by Trillian
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To: sockmonkey

i'm beginning to think this dialog may reflect differences in eating preferences between New Yorkers like myself (who might prefer rats, snakes and monkey brains) and Southerners who prefer pork.
just another red state-blue state difference!


38 posted on 01/07/2007 6:27:22 AM PST by drhogan
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To: El Gato

i tend to avoid fat except in ice cream and cookies. the cookies might have lard in them, so it is likely i eat some pork fat.


39 posted on 01/07/2007 6:29:54 AM PST by drhogan
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To: Jabba the Nutt
No cake without eating your pork fat soup.

No soup for you!

Mark

40 posted on 01/07/2007 6:43:25 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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