Posted on 01/11/2007 11:39:56 AM PST by The South Texan
Excuse the vanity, but Chuck Hagel has really gotten under my skin. You Nebraska Freepers need to get busy and find a well known Republican in that state to run against this Rino in the next GOP Priamry. I am tired of crap like this from this AP story.
"Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) of Nebraska told Rice the president's plan was "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam, if it's carried out."
Rice engaged in a tense exchange with Hagel, a Vietnam veteran and longtime critic of Bush's Iraq policy, disputing his characterization of Bush's buildup as an "escalation."
"Putting in 22,000 more troops is not an escalation?" Hagel asked. "I think, senator, escalation is not just a matter of how many numbers you put in."
"Would you call it a decrease?" Hagel asked.
"I would call it, senator, an augmentation that allows the Iraqis to deal with this very serious problem that they have in Baghdad," she said.
Hagel told Rice, "Madame Secretary, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. We are in a civil war. This is sectarian violence out of control."
She disputed that Iraq was in the throes of a civil war. To that, Hagel said, "To sit there and say that, that's just not true."
I plan to work towards that end!!!
That's a totally garbage and pointless exchange...reminiscent of the definition of "is".
"I plan to work towards that end!!!"
Good luck.
My fear is he will be replaced with a lib.
Count me in!!!! please post again once a organization to defeat senator hagel is known.
Hagel thinks he`s going to be the next President. Somebody needs to call him and tell him it ain`t going to happen.
I can't see him being replaced by a Lib..we tend to elect Dems who have a track record statewide (Nelson)and I don't see one of those floating around...
The problem i see is that Nebraskans seem to be a loyal bunch as a whole..but the republicans did bypass the Legend (Osborne) during the governor primary so there is a little hope...Maybe we can get Coach to run for Senate!
Really now. What the difference between Chuck Hagel and Bob Kerrey?
I have always thought of the guy as a "mole" sent in by the liberals to win office (as a RINO) in a 'red' state.
The bottom line is the GOP was never as conservative as people hoped, and the conservatives alone did not have the votes.
Brings me back to my big picture pet peeve. By not really attacking the left as dangerous and embarrassing, republicans allowed the democrat party and much of the GOP to drift far left, and that placed the nation in danger when the dems got back in power.
As a graduate of UNO I will donate to make sure that he is defeated. Let me know please.
Be careful now.
There are many here on FR who in two years will be telling you that you HAVE TO vote for Hagel because he is a "Republican".
There needs to be an organized effort to get all "RINO's" and any other Republican politician with no gonads thrown out of office. These are the creeps that cost us the November election and gave us this Liberal Twilight Zone of Total Insanity.
I don't understand the mentality of these people. They're apparently unwilling to fight a war under any circumstances.
No more dollars to the RNC until Hagel is gone?
Ditto!
IMO, Liberals get elected because the GOP doesn't tell it like it is. The American people need to be educated on what will happen to our country if these creeps stay in office.
I agree completely. We'll lose the Senate for a few more election cycles but at least we'll have a leaner, meaner Republican caucus there.
They have no mentality to understand. They're utter and complete morons.
I don't understand the mentality of these people. They're apparently unwilling to fight a war under any circumstances.
I haven't given any money to the RNC or the Republican Seante Campaign Committee in maybe 10 years. I do, however, contribute to individual candidates. I never wanted any of my money to go to the like of Spectre or Chaffee.
The RNC needs to have an infusion of testosterone. There's a definite lack of gonads throughout the leadership. Not a single one of them has the guts of any one of our troops. IMO, there's not a single politician in DC worthy of licking the boots of our troops. The DC crowd is worthless.
New prosecutors are taught to point to the defendant and say to their face what they did. Because if THEY are not willing to confront the defendant directly, neither will the jurors. The same goes for politics. If republican leaders won't confront the democrats the public will not do it for them.
What's the difference?
"What's the difference?"
LOL Good point.
Maybe just the majority.
Why just target Nebraskans?? FReepers from all 50 states need to buckle down and target ALL RINOs in the House AND Senate for replacement in '08. The status quo isn't good enough and we need strong conservatives who are capable of representing conservative values and standing up to the tactics of the leftists. It isn't just Nebraska, RINOS from all across the country are stinking up the Congress and its time we sent them some air fresheners!!!
Same here, X. I've told them 100 times that I wasn't giving nationally until I saw Republicans with backbone in the Senate.
Unfortunately, I helped Mel Martinez get elected here in Florida. He has done well with most things except immigration. I am tolerating him and sending lots of emails his way.
(BTW, my husband was in the 1st CAV in VN.)
If he was in RVN we're about the same age.
He is 62...was drafted at 23.
Augmentation = Breasts
He was there probably just before I was. I'm 61 but went in after college.
He is an opportunist but a poor and transparent one. best. He probably believes this outrageous statement will make him a player in the nomination race, but no!
So don't screw it up FR.
Jeff Fortunberry for Senate!
Whats his conservative rating?
In fairness to Hagel, he's excellent on spending issues. He's just horrible on foreign policy. He's basically a Buchannanite.
That is fine. But you need to do one more thing (if you are not already) and do it over and over and over:
Tell the RNC, both local chapters and national, that you refuse to give them monies and why. Do it once a month, once a week, etc.
When they start receiving hundres, maybe thousands, of messages like this, maybe, just maybe, they will start to listen.
Congressman Ron Paul, before the US House of Representatives, January 5, 2007
Mr. Speaker, Saddam Hussein is Dead. So are Three Thousand Americans.
The regime in Iraq has been changed. Yet victory will not be declared: not only does the war go on, it’s about to escalate. Obviously the turmoil in Iraq is worse than ever, and most Americans no longer are willing to tolerate the costs, both human and economic, associated with this war.
We have been in Iraq for 45 months. Many more Americans have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the first 45 months of our war in Vietnam. I was in the U.S. Air Force in 1965, and I remember well when President Johnson announced a troop surge in Vietnam to hasten victory. That war went on for another decade, and by the time we finally got out 60,000 Americans had died. God knows we should have gotten out ten years earlier. “Troop surge” meant serious escalation.
The election is over and Americans have spoken. Enough is enough! They want the war ended and our troops brought home. But the opposite likely will occur, with bipartisan support. Up to 50,000 more troops will be sent. The goal no longer is to win, but simply to secure Baghdad! So much has been spent with so little to show for it.
Who possibly benefits from escalating chaos in Iraq? Neoconservatives unabashedly have written about how chaos presents opportunities for promoting their goals. Certainly Osama bin Laden has benefited from the turmoil in Iraq, as have the Iranian Shiites who now are better positioned to take control of southern Iraq.
Yes, Saddam Hussein is dead, and only the Sunnis mourn. The Shiites and Kurds celebrate his death, as do the Iranians and especially bin Laden – all enemies of Saddam Hussein. We have performed a tremendous service for both bin Laden and Ahmadinejad, and it will cost us plenty. The violent reaction to our complicity in the execution of Saddam Hussein is yet to come.
Three thousand American military personnel are dead, more than 22,000 are wounded, and tens of thousands will be psychologically traumatized by their tours of duty in Iraq. Little concern is given to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in this war. We’ve spent $400 billion so far, with no end in sight.
This is money we don’t have. It is all borrowed from countries like China, that increasingly succeed in the global economy while we drain wealth from our citizens through heavy taxation and insidious inflation. Our manufacturing base is now nearly extinct.
Where the additional U.S. troops in Iraq will come from is anybody’s guess. But surely they won’t be redeployed from Japan, Korea, or Europe. We at least must pretend that our bankrupt empire is intact. But then again, the Soviet empire appeared intact in 1988.
Some Members of Congress, intent on equitably distributing the suffering among all Americans, want to bring back the draft. Administration officials vehemently deny making any concrete plans for a draft. But why should we believe this? Look what happened when so many believed the reasons given for our preemptive invasion of Iraq.
Selective Service officials admit running a check of their lists of available young men. If the draft is reinstated, we probably will include young women as well to serve the god of “equality.” Conscription is slavery, plain and simple. And it was made illegal under the 13th amendment, which prohibits involuntary servitude. One may well be killed as a military draftee, which makes conscription a very dangerous kind of enslavement.
Instead of testing the efficacy of the Selective Service System and sending more troops off to a war we’re losing, we ought to revive our love of liberty. We should repeal the Selective Service Act. A free society should never depend on compulsory conscription to defend itself.
We get into trouble by not following the precepts of liberty or obeying the rule of law. Preemptive, undeclared wars fought under false pretenses are a road to disaster. If a full declaration of war by Congress had been demanded as the Constitution requires, this war never would have been fought. If we did not create credit out of thin air as the Constitution prohibits, we never would have convinced taxpayers to support this war directly from their pockets. How long this financial charade can go on is difficult to judge, but when the end comes it will not go unnoticed by any American.
CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL.
A very good point.
I haven't sent them one of my missives since the late '90s.
He was assigned to the 611th Ord. Co. in Chu Lai.
I was with HHC/3rdBde at LZ Mace. He was there almost a year or more earlier than I as they'd moved the Cav down to III Corp from I Corp by then. Before that I was with 3/8th Inf of the 4th Inf Div based out of Camp Radcliffe, An Khe up in II Corp.
Uh, how would you know?
He needs to stand up for America, our Commander in Chief, and victory.
Right now he sounds like a defeatist.
I hope Nebraska replaces him with a real conservative next time he's up for election.
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