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McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives
Ryan Sager ^ | 1/12/07 | Ryan Sager

Posted on 01/12/2007 9:52:32 AM PST by freespirited

On Thursday, I got hold of some early results from a large survey the fiscally conservative Club For Growth is doing of its membership. McCain is near the rock-bottom of the pack when Club For Growth members are asked whom they would like to see made the GOP presidential nominee in 2008, and he comes in at the very top when members of the group are asked whom they would not like to see nominated. His favorable/unfavorable rating is also very poor with this crowd.

The Club For Growth is in the midst of conducting an extensive presidential survey of its 40,000 members, by phone and by email. So far, they've gotten roughly 3,300 responses.

The preliminary numbers I have obtained are as follows:

* Club members' top choice for 2008 GOP nominee for president: McCain received 5%

* Club members' least favorite choice: McCain received 43% (first place)

* McCain's favorable/unfavorable rating with Club members: Favorable 16% / Unfavorable 76%

(On those first two questions, Club members were asked to pick from a list, including: Romney, Pataki, McCain, Gingrich, Hunter, Huckabee, Hagel, Giuliani, Brownback, or no answer.)

Asked to comment, Club For Growth President Pat Toomey offered a rather bleak assessment of McCain's chances at wooing fiscal conservatives in the GOP primary.

"This is a real reflection of a serious challenge McCain has with free-market conservatives and with limited-government conservatives," Toomey said. "He very prominently spoke out against the Bush tax cuts.­ He spouted class-warfare rhetoric usually voiced by the Democrats."

What's more, Toomey said it would be a mistake to underestimate the importance of McCain's role in bringing campaign-finance reform to American politics with his McCain-Feingold bill. "Frankly, our members, almost by definition, are concerned with weighing in on issues and having a voice in American politics," Toomey said. "His willingness to diminish the First Amendment is a matter of great concern."

Despite the fact that McCain is good on trade policy and on opposing pork-barrel spending, Toomey said, "Fundamentally, limited government requires limited taxes, and economic growth requires lower marginal taxes."

Asked whether McCain could do anything to woo back fiscal conservatives, Toomey offered only: "You never say never in politics."

Of course, McCain has already spent some considerable time trying to win back fiscal conservatives, flip-flopping on the Bush tax cuts (calling for their renewal after having opposed their original passage) and flip-flopping on the estate (a.k.a. death) tax.

McCain and the Club For Growth, a so-called "527 organization" have long been at odds. McCain has repeatedly cited the Club For Growth as the type of group that made his campaign-finance-reform bill necessary, because they run lots of hard-hitting (and sometimes even negative) ads in House and Senate races in the days leading up to federal elections. In 2000, the Club ran ads boosting the candidacy of now-Rep. Jeff Flake, a rising fiscal-conservative star, for an Arizona congressional seat, leading to the defeat of an opposing candidate hand-picked by McCain.

Nonetheless, the vehemence of the opposition to the purported GOP frontrunner by the leadership and membership of the Club For Growth is pretty striking this early in the game.

Developing.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2008; electionpresident; gopnomination; mccain
Today's installment of facts you'll never see in the MSM ...
1 posted on 01/12/2007 9:52:36 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited

Is there a breakdown of all the candidates' rankings?


2 posted on 01/12/2007 9:53:59 AM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: freespirited

I'm a Christian conservative, and I haven't been too choked up about him since the comments he made after the 2000 SC primary.


3 posted on 01/12/2007 9:55:39 AM PST by Arm_Bears (See Rock City!)
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives

... and many, many others.

4 posted on 01/12/2007 9:55:45 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives
5 posted on 01/12/2007 9:56:42 AM PST by Perdogg (Happy 2007)
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To: freespirited
I would put Hagel in front of the "least favorable".

Hagel is a moveon.org mole

6 posted on 01/12/2007 9:57:08 AM PST by lormand (I sell taglines such as this one - PayPal accepted)
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To: theDentist

IMHO, I still think McCain is too wedded to his own quirkiness.


7 posted on 01/12/2007 9:57:34 AM PST by brooklyn dave (Dhimmis better not be Dhummis!!!!------or else!!!)
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To: freespirited
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McCain on the First Amendment isn't going to help him either:

McCain and 'the Constitution'

"I work in Washington and I know that money corrupts. And I and a lot of other people were trying to stop that corruption. Obviously, from what we've been seeing lately, we didn't complete the job. But I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."

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Recall that McCain, under McCain-Feingold CFR, has tried two different times to restrict voters' rights:

FEC Won't Regulate Internet Politics

Posted 03/27/2006

The Federal Election Commission decided Monday that the nation's new campaign finance law will not apply to most political activity on the Internet. In a 6-0 vote, the commission decided to regulate only paid political ads placed on another person's Web site. The decision means that bloggers and online publications will not be covered by provisions of the new election law. Internet bloggers and individuals will therefore be able to use the Internet to attack or support federal candidates without running afoul of campaign spending and contribution limits. "It's a win, win, win," Commissioner Ellen L. Weintraub said, adding that...

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McCain-Feingold's Electioneering Communication Prohibition Held Unconstitutional as Applied to Genuine Grassroots Lobbying

Posted on 12/21/2006

Today the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia held that the ban on corporate electioneering communications is unconstitutional as applied to the three grassroots lobbying ads for which Wisconsin Right to Life ("WRTL") sought judicial relief in WRTL v. FEC. Judge Leon wrote the opinion and was joined by Judge Sentelle in the majority of the three-judge court.

Look for more attempts by McCain, and possibly Hillary and Jon Carry, to restrict voters' rights and Internet use during the coming year.

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McCain Looked into Caucusing with Democrats

Posted on 01/05/2007

Some of us have joked that McCain would be a great candidate--for the Democrat ticket. But it turns out that there is an element of truth to the joke. This month's Vanity Fair has a long fawning profile of McCain entitled Prisoners of Conscience. It says that the Bush-McCain relationship was so frayed after the 2000 election that in 2001, McCain strategist John Weaver actually sounded out Democratic Senate leaders about having McCain caucus with them. That would have given the Democrats control of the Senate.
8 posted on 01/12/2007 9:57:37 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: freespirited
I dislike him because he's mentally unstable.

Regards, Ivan

9 posted on 01/12/2007 9:58:36 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: freespirited

I would send him back to Vietnam.


10 posted on 01/12/2007 10:00:34 AM PST by bmwcyle (Don't forget to send the bouquet of pork chops for Saddam's family)
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives

I didn't read the article, but after seeing a million headlines about who dislikes the guy, maybe this would be a lot quicker if we just listed the people who LIKE McCain. I'll start.

The Press
Inside-the-Beltway Pundits
Democrats
Pollsters

Ok. Next.

11 posted on 01/12/2007 10:00:55 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Perdogg

Thank you. That corrected the headline for me!


12 posted on 01/12/2007 10:01:01 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: freespirited

What's a "Fiscal Conservative"?


13 posted on 01/12/2007 10:01:41 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: freespirited

I don't like him either - fiscally or socially.


14 posted on 01/12/2007 10:03:13 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: RockinRight

Apparently not. I suspect that is what the "Developing" means at the end. I'll try to remember to check the site tomorrow to see if he has more info on how other candidates fared.


15 posted on 01/12/2007 10:08:14 AM PST by freespirited (Honk for disbarment of Mike Nifong.)
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To: Wolfie

www.clubforgrowth.com


16 posted on 01/12/2007 10:08:39 AM PST by freespirited (Honk for disbarment of Mike Nifong.)
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives

In other news:

Pope "Still Catholic," Says Vatican

Still, if it came down to it, better'n Hillary or Edwards or Obama ...

17 posted on 01/12/2007 10:09:39 AM PST by pogo101
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To: freespirited
Republicans have always nominated their front runners. And while the front runner may change between now and '08. right now it looks like it is between Rudy and McCain. Many people say that Rudy is perceived to often to have liberal views (exaggerated)and will not be nominated. But, I think given the intensity of dislike for McCain that I see on this board I think as it stands now it will be Rudy.
18 posted on 01/12/2007 10:14:31 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: freespirited
Republicans have always nominated their front runners. And while the front runner may change between now and '08. right now it looks like it is between Rudy and McCain. Many people say that Rudy is perceived to often to have liberal views (exaggerated)and will not be nominated. But, I think given the intensity of dislike for McCain that I see on this board I think as it stands now it will be Rudy.
19 posted on 01/12/2007 10:14:41 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives

there, thats better.

20 posted on 01/12/2007 10:16:16 AM PST by Vaquero (Moderate Islam is Radical Islams Trojan horse in the West)
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To: freespirited

The question is which conservatives DO like McCain? I don't know any..whether they're fiscal, religious, old guard, neo-con...none of us...

As far as I can tell- McCain is liked by some Democrats...but not all of them either.


21 posted on 01/12/2007 10:16:25 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives almost everybody.

There. Fixed it.

The guy is not only corrupt (Keating 5) treacherous (betrayed his first wife and the POWs) and authoritarian (free speech for me, but not for thee), he's NUTS.

The only reason I can think for the news media to support him is that they think Hillary can beat him. They would turn on him as soon as he got the nomination, bringing out all the skeletons they've ignored.

22 posted on 01/12/2007 10:17:08 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives
McCain Still Disliked by Anti-Shamnesty Conservatives
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McCain still Disliked by ...
23 posted on 01/12/2007 10:17:29 AM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: freespirited
Pardon me, but I've got to correct the article headline...
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives
There. Much better and much more correct.
24 posted on 01/12/2007 10:17:52 AM PST by upchuck (The American coup de grāce is well on its way. Thus far, the Donks haven't had to fire a shot.)
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To: freespirited

If they're convinced that it's only (or mostly) the fiscal conservatives holding him back, they're wasting their own time. Lots of people despise him, citing a wide variety of reasons.


25 posted on 01/12/2007 10:20:46 AM PST by lainie ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: freespirited

McCain has more supporters on the other side of the aisle than around here.


26 posted on 01/12/2007 10:21:14 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: freespirited

27 posted on 01/12/2007 10:23:37 AM PST by Gritty (We are on the road to serfdom in American politics with campaign-finance reform - Mike Pence)
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To: freespirited

Better toss Ron Paul in that Club for Growth poll. I bet he'd do pretty well.


28 posted on 01/12/2007 10:24:57 AM PST by mysterio
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To: freespirited

Wasn't Keating a fiscal conservative? He seemed to like McCain.


29 posted on 01/12/2007 11:20:55 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: freespirited
McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives

I just don't understand it!?!

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30 posted on 01/12/2007 12:05:17 PM PST by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment then you don't understand America.)
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To: freespirited

disliked by....
fiscal conservatives
social conservatives
religious conservatives
living conservatives
and dead conservatives.


31 posted on 01/12/2007 5:23:55 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: freespirited

I don't like McCain. I would lvoe to see how the others fared.


32 posted on 01/12/2007 5:27:58 PM PST by Sunsong
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