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Navy orders stand down of entire submarine force
wavy.com ^ | 01/15/2006 | N/A

Posted on 01/15/2007 12:17:56 PM PST by rwa265

Navy orders stand down of entire submarine force

In a news release, the commander of the U.S. Submarine Force announced today that it will conduct an Operational Stand Down in the wake of recent submarine incidents.

In a message to the submarine force, Vice Adm. Chuck Munns, U.S. Submarine Force commander, directed the immediate "stand down" to focus energy and intellect back onto the basics of submarine operations.

The stand down comes after two incidents involving Norfolk-based submarines.

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1 posted on 01/15/2007 12:18:00 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265

Shouldn't this be something the Navy keeps out of the public eye?


2 posted on 01/15/2007 12:21:05 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: LonePalm; sionnsar; patton; Doohickey; SmithL; TheKidster
Not really.

Want I'm REALLY afraid of is that a "stand down" means thousands and thousands of EXTRA man-hours (or tens of thousands of extra man-days!!!!) of extra training and inspection - instead of a couple of hours of REST and THINKING of an overextended force with too few subs to do too many jobs that is actually what is needed.

You can micro-manage your people to death.

Literally.
3 posted on 01/15/2007 12:24:55 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; All

I am interested in this news, since I have a grandson currently serving on a submarine. What does this mean to the ships at sea? Will they have to return to their home ports for the stand-down?

Can some submarine vet chime in here?


4 posted on 01/15/2007 12:27:30 PM PST by Palladin ("We have not yet begun to fight."--John Paul Jones)
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To: rwa265
That's not what I heard Russian admiral predicts impending US strike against Iran

A Russian admiral would know just about everything, right?

5 posted on 01/15/2007 12:28:56 PM PST by oyez (T)
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To: rwa265
focus energy and intellect back onto the basics of submarine operations.

Reminds me of a story about Vince Lombardi when he was coaching at Notre Dame.

"Gentlemen, this is a submarine."

6 posted on 01/15/2007 12:39:42 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Palladin
What does this mean to the ships at sea?

Not much.
Watches still have to be stood. The ship remains on station.

This will be a day where all departments review their proceedures for safety.

We would do this in the VP Navy whenever there was an incident or accident.

7 posted on 01/15/2007 12:40:19 PM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: lilycicero

Ping.


8 posted on 01/15/2007 12:46:56 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: grobdriver

You are exactly correct. Submarines at sea stay at sea. However the next return to homeport will have the Squadrons perform inspections to ensure that SOP's bills are written and are being complied with as they are written. Generally speaking - administrative check-up and enforcement.
Retired MCPOC(SS)


9 posted on 01/15/2007 1:06:55 PM PST by encm(ss) (USN Ret.)
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To: rwa265

Wow!


10 posted on 01/15/2007 1:09:10 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Disambiguator

So when did Vince coach at Notre Dame?


11 posted on 01/15/2007 1:11:28 PM PST by sine_nomine (The United States...shall protect each of them against invasion. Article IV, 4. US Constition)
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To: Palladin

My son is on maneuvers in the Pacific. He can't say much other than it doesn't effect them too much. Maybe a little extra training.


12 posted on 01/15/2007 1:13:21 PM PST by rwa265
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To: Palladin

It really depends. Anyone who was out just tooling around will probably have RTP'ed already. Deployed units will continue their current mission and may be directed to perform some training underway with more directed training delivered during the next upkeep.


13 posted on 01/15/2007 1:13:55 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: rwa265

They obviously need Michelle Manhart to start training the seamen.


14 posted on 01/15/2007 1:14:27 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: grobdriver

Pretty much. This sort of thing happened once when we were deployed to the Med. We did training instead of drills for three days on the morning watch, and had to spend a day watching more training when we arrived in La Maddalena for a scheduled upkeep.


15 posted on 01/15/2007 1:16:53 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: sine_nomine

Right before he started coaching at Lambert Field.


16 posted on 01/15/2007 1:17:02 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
we've all talked about this before, and most of us agree

WE NEED MORE BOATS TO COVER THE MISSION!! I don't think that point is made enough.

17 posted on 01/15/2007 1:17:06 PM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I guess I was coming from a letting our enemies know our weakness point of view, rather than a inform the public point of view.


18 posted on 01/15/2007 1:17:14 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: rwa265

My brother served on a nuclear sub out of Conn. I thought I heard that once you've been on a sub for an extended period of time, you aren't put on again. Is that true? I'm just wondering if he would be on one of these subs.


19 posted on 01/15/2007 1:20:03 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Richard Kimball

His coach at Fordham later coached at Notre Dame; does that count?


20 posted on 01/15/2007 1:20:51 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: rwa265

Maybe chaff?


21 posted on 01/15/2007 1:22:10 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Disambiguator

It was the Green Bay Packers. Practice was going bad and Coach Lombardi was fuming. The atmosphere was very tense as he started lambasting the team. When he said "this is a football," Paul Hornung responded, "slow down, Coach, your going too fast." Everybody laughed, including the coach and that broke the tension.

At least that's how I heard the story.


22 posted on 01/15/2007 1:23:25 PM PST by rwa265
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To: Richard Kimball

LOL!


23 posted on 01/15/2007 1:25:26 PM PST by rwa265
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I thought I heard that once you've been on a sub for an extended period of time, you aren't put on again.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Can you expound a little? I'd spent eight of my 13 years on sea duty, which was merely "above average" compared to others I know.

24 posted on 01/15/2007 1:25:29 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Bottom_Gun

We also need more personnel to man the boats. Especially nukes.


25 posted on 01/15/2007 1:26:27 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265

That's cool.


26 posted on 01/15/2007 1:27:35 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Doohickey

I mean in particular serving in a sub as opposed to anything else because of the unique environment. Did I just make that up in my head? Maybe it was that there's a limit to how long you could serve on a sub for a given amount of time.


27 posted on 01/15/2007 1:27:52 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Richard Kimball

Ha ha. I thought you were joking.

That's Flambeau Field.


28 posted on 01/15/2007 1:28:19 PM PST by sine_nomine (The United States...shall protect each of them against invasion. Article IV, 4. US Constition)
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To: rwa265

Why is the article dated a year ago today?


29 posted on 01/15/2007 1:34:23 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Oh no, there's no written time limit that I'm aware of. You may be thinking of a sea/shore rotation, which are guidelines on how long someone must serve on a ship before they're eligible for shore duty. The intent of that was just the opposite though - to limit shore duty rather than sea duty.


30 posted on 01/15/2007 1:35:05 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: sine_nomine

not Flambeau... It's really Lambert Field. John Kerry said so.


31 posted on 01/15/2007 1:35:47 PM PST by WesG (Without geometry, life would be pointless.)
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To: sine_nomine

Probably never. I'm not a football historian, and I'm relating this from a story I heard 17 years ago.


32 posted on 01/15/2007 1:38:49 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Bottom_Gun

It was nuts ten years ago. I imagine it's a lot worse these days.


33 posted on 01/15/2007 1:40:30 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

My elder son is a Navy nuke and he says the pace is killing and he is a young man in the peak of health. Hundred + hour weeks exhaust everyone.


34 posted on 01/15/2007 1:42:49 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

The subs have alternating crews and the men serve each alternative time period subject to being at sea. My son will be joining the USS Ohio next month for his turn.


35 posted on 01/15/2007 1:46:42 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Disambiguator

Vince Lombardi never coached at Notre Dame.


36 posted on 01/15/2007 2:07:32 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rwa265

That's sure going to help national security a lot. Jerk!!!


37 posted on 01/15/2007 2:14:48 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The subs have alternating crews and the men serve each alternative time period subject to being at sea.

That's only true for the 14 Trident SSBN's.

Fast Attacks (SSN) only have a single crew.

38 posted on 01/15/2007 2:20:05 PM PST by Jambe ( Save the Cows ! -- Eat a Vegan !!!)
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To: massgopguy

So I hear. I never claimed to be an expert in football history.

:^)


39 posted on 01/15/2007 2:21:13 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: encm(ss); grobdriver; All

Thank you for answering my question.


40 posted on 01/15/2007 2:30:11 PM PST by Palladin ("We have not yet begun to fight."--John Paul Jones)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Much depends on exactly how an "Operational Stand down" is conducted. If this is a safety and/or operational procedures stand down than I wouldn't make much of it.

Due to their notoriously poor maintenance, one of the Warnings and Indicators for the Soviets was a maintenance stand down which they would have to do prior to a general attack. For US forces this would generally not be necessary and time would be better spen resting personnel. Combat operations are very tiring.

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41 posted on 01/15/2007 2:34:38 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Disambiguator
a story about Vince Lombardi when he was coaching

What does a story about a band leader coaching piano players how to dive on a date have to do with anything? ;)

42 posted on 01/15/2007 2:38:45 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Doohickey
It was nuts ten years ago. I imagine it's a lot worse these days.

It is killing them, my Friends in Groton on-board there, say the OP tempo is sapping everyone. Unfortunately it's making a lot of guys make the decision to get out, even if they get to shore duty.
I guess I was nuts in my day, I did back to back sea tours from a BN to a Fast boat and only went to shore duty because the detailer told me I had to. But then this was back in the 80's when we had "fun" *L*.

43 posted on 01/15/2007 2:42:31 PM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: GoldenPup

Who's the jerk? The Navy for issuing the news release, WAVY-TV for broadcasting the information, or me for passing public information on to fellow freepers who are interested in submarines?


44 posted on 01/15/2007 2:49:01 PM PST by rwa265
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To: FreePaul

Because I goofed up. Sorry.


45 posted on 01/15/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by rwa265
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To: GoldenPup

Welcome to Free Republic. Now apologize for being a jackass. This is not classified information. In fact, it's mostly PR.


46 posted on 01/15/2007 3:01:43 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Doohickey

Just like on the boats, it's real easy to tell who is qualified, and who isn't.
; )


47 posted on 01/15/2007 3:20:20 PM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: massgopguy
But (and a lot of people are surprised to learn it) he did coach at an obscure school in upstate New York nicknamed "Hell on the Hudson."
48 posted on 01/15/2007 3:20:54 PM PST by Tenniel ("Why has the Nobel been awarded to 167 Jews, and only four out of 380 million Arabs?" -- S. Ubeid)
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To: Jambe

How do the subs stay at sea almost all the time it there is no off crew?


49 posted on 01/15/2007 3:23:08 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

--Want I'm REALLY afraid of is that a "stand down" means thousands and thousands of EXTRA man-hours (or tens of thousands of extra man-days!!!!) of extra training and inspection - instead of a couple of hours of REST and THINKING of an overextended force with too few subs to do too many jobs that is actually what is needed.--

The article says that normal operations will continue until the investigation is complete.


50 posted on 01/15/2007 3:26:10 PM PST by UpAllNight
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