Posted on 01/15/2007 2:37:16 PM PST by Enterprise
Unless your children are gone, out of the house and have children of their own, I don't care how much you teach and preach, you DON'T KNOW what your child would do in the same situation. One thing I have learned over the years is never say never when it comes to raising your kids. I have 3 boys, 16, 15 and 10. I'd like to think I've done a good job so far. Good students, great peer relationships, respectful and they have never given my husband and I really any trouble. Oh, sure they've done some bonehead things, but they are kids. I don't take it for granted for one minute. I've seen wonderful families go through horrendous things with their children, unfortunately, bad things do happen to good people.
Not necessarily....not without great effort.
Most of us have "dynamic" IP addresses...that means...every time we log on...we get the latest IP address available.
You have to pay extra to have your own IP address.
Why would you do that?
If you were a company like Microsoft, you would build total firewall software to that particular address.
The rest of us get by cheaper by getting the next in line.
Have you considered that Shawn may have begun exhibiting signs of not being as much under control as he might have been in the past? That may have been why he took the younger boy. No telling what he might have planned to do to Shawn.
KUDOS !! I AGREE with YOU 100 % panthermom
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There are alot of sick freepers ! One freeper wrote that maybe the kidnapper wanted someone to play video games with & wasn't that bad ( Why that freeper doesn't think they weere sexually molested !!!
THIS SICKO was a 300 Pound SKUM who has kiddie porn on his computer , & on the courtv amber alerts boards one poster heard from sources that Ben Orbey was FOUND CHAINED !!!
Shawn was a skinny 11 year old 5th grader & was the victim of a 300 pound SKUMBAG !
THOSE Who makes EXCUSES For the 300 kidnapper MAKES ME SICK & Should start posting On the DUMMIE BOARD BECAUSE THEY BELONG THEIR with the REST of the DUMMIE IDIOTS !!!
Let's say if it were MY kid ... I'd be perfectly willing to have those people so inclined speculate all they want, but the public doesn't need confirmation one way or the other.
What went on with those pervs and their victims, especially young children, is best left to the individuals involved, their families, their therapists and need-to-know legal authorities. The rest of us don't need to be Peeping Toms. I would prefer to think most people would pray for my child's complete recovery and give him/her the privacy to achieve that goal.
There is just no excuse for your ignorance, really, it was in the media and the internet. Elizabeth Smart didn't try to escape because her captors brutalized her and told her they would do her sisters and her cousin the same. She believed them and thought she was keeping her family safe.
Your presumption about her is sickening and totally ignorant. Pregnancies take 40 weeks. ES was captive almost 40 weeks to the day. The idea that ES could have given birth in the week before she was rescued is ludicrous and highly improbable.
I find people like you who can't accept truth and just have to believe that there "must be more to the story" are nothing more than ignorant paranoid gossips projecting their crap onto these victims. Just shut your piehole.
It is sad that bad things happen to good people and yes it does happen all the time. As for wondering and not knowing you have a point but let me share this with you.
At about 7 1/2 my boy was his first indoor soccer game. This was a new team only formed to prepare for outdoor season. This indoor team was formed by combining two outdoor teams that had seperate coaches. Both coaches decided to coach this indoor team together.
The second teams coach knew my boy, but my boy did not know him. He walked up to my boy patted him on the back and said 'C'mon kid let's go' as he walked toward the benches.
My boy just looked at him for a second and then he said "I don't know you and I am not going anywhere with you".
I gotta tell ya I was a proud daddy at that moment. My boy didn't know I was standing right behind him and be assured he was praised for his keen decision. You know one reason he knew how to react to that situation? I am a news junkie and every one of these cases we see in the media, I show him. I show them all and tell them all about what happened. Dru Sjodin, Jessica Lundsford, Danielle Van Dam, Natalee Halloway, Elizabeth Smart that list seems never ending...
Some hammer me for showing this to my kids because they are so young, but you know what? Life is brutal sometimes and I feel they will be better prepared if they know that the world can be that way at times.
I do understand 'never say never' and that point is well taken.
ok, i just read this post. Now I think your nuts! You think ES had a baby? There was no time for her to have a baby and if her kidnapper had gotten her pg it was by rape, but she never had a child! She was goen for 9 months. From the time you get pg it takes a full 10 months for a child to come into the world. Your sick to think she had a baby! This is the first time I have heard anyone think this. There is no evidence of this. Pictures taking of ES with her kidnappers along the way never show her looking pg one bit.
When so nervous and hiding, how does one gain the weight she did? Especially at that age? Attack me with namecalling all you like. Label me all you like. This fella was around the house prior to her abduction right? Doing work at the house right? Oops. there went your equation becasue you missed some of the entries.
Ever watch the movie footloose? Ever hear what is said about preachers daughters? Will you say that notion is beyond the realm of possability and beyond question?
You may dismiss when she was 'found' as pure coincidence, as that is your choice, just don't expect that everyone has to do the same thing. You can be as vulgar and demanding as you want to, shows alot about you. Reflects so well on this website too. Seriously, is that what you are all about?
Once, a plea was made by her father for her return, and I will never forget him out in front of his house talking to the cameras. His eyes, like most people, revealed alot, I feel he knew EXACTLY who he was talking to when making that plea. Dismiss things like that all youwant to, I have every right to ask a question about a perception I have. If you don't like it.....tough.
Every baby is born at 40 weeks YUUUP OK sure, whatever you say. Pictures of her along the way? They would show the weight gain then right? You mean pictures of her dressed head to toe in something resembling a burka. She was found wearing this right? Face even covered right? Point me to those pictures eh.
I never claimed it was the reality and I surely never claimed I could prove it, That is a perception I have and that's all I ever said it was. I guess that is no longer allowed huh? Sheesh.
The boy's life was not uncomfortable. He didn't have to go to school, got to eat pizza all the time, had a cell phone, a girl friend, played video games all day. I don't want to say that this was "Shawn's Excellent Adventure" and I know that he cried out so loud that the police came and couldn't find the source of the noise (which is absolutely unbelievable considering that it was a repeat experience). However, he probably grew to care for the guy as he had no apparent responsibilities and alot of stuff and freedom.
Well you opened another can of worms when it comes to trial. I am of the opinion that all trials should be open to the public. ( Military trials aside for obvious reasons) After all, it is the People Versus _____ right? We forgo our right to self imposed justice for the rade that society as a whole will accomplish proper punishment. How can we be assured that is happening when we don't have access to a trial?
Kinda makes me wonder why the Smart offender is just 'unable' or 'unfit' to stand trial. If Saddam can stand trial, just about anyone can stand trial.
When it comes to clear evidence like a video,this is where the internet comes into play, why should prosecution be up to the individual? The law was broken and clear evidence of it is out there for all to see. It appears to me that when given this choice, some can define who is above prosecution for breaking it. It just doesn't sit well with me.
Huh? Where's the baby?? And you think she had an "affair" with the scuzzy guy?
And you base this on the fact that she gained weight?
right, like some upper clas, blond haired, harp playing, good student, comes froma good family, really wants to run off with two homeless losers and go and have a baby with the guy.
You can have your theories, but sweetie, they are far fetched and a little out there!
Just because you haven't seen more articles doesn't mean they're not there. Check out the search function at the top of the forum page.
I would not call it an affair, she was a minor and that could never be said. But with that said, do younger girls that have lived strict lives ever act out in such ways? You bet they do.
Wehere would a baby be? I would be asking that too. End stage partial birth abortion and adoption are both possabilities aren't they? There is something about a female that is just different after a pregnancy and I saw that in her. Maybe I am seeing something that isn't there, that may well be true. I cannot change how I felt when I saw her the first time after she came home.
But I will say that when you are nervous and freaking out, camping as these folks were as a result of being on the run, I don't think transfats and Mcdonalds fries were part of the everyday diet. Something doesn't fit. If you want to call me crazy, so be it, I will still say, that to me, something doesn't quite fit. Weight is one of those things that to me doesn't quite fit.
Last I knew trials were all open to the public. There might not be room in the court-room but they are open to the public. I don't know about minors.
Kinda makes me wonder why the Smart offender is just 'unable' or 'unfit' to stand trial. If Saddam can stand trial, just about anyone can stand trial.
I am not familiar with the facts of the Smart case.
When it comes to clear evidence like a video,this is where the internet comes into play, why should prosecution be up to the individual? The law was broken and clear evidence of it is out there for all to see. It appears to me that when given this choice, some can define who is above prosecution for breaking it. It just doesn't sit well with me.
I don't agree with your proposition. It is not the duty of law enforcement to troll the internet for free speech and call it a crime. (I do however, agree with the Nightline set-up to catch child predators.) It is up to the victim to prosecute a crime. I don't know what you mean by given the choice, some can define who is above prosecution. I don't believe anyone is above prosecution but I do believe there are those who do not want to prosecute. Don't those who choose not to prosecute have a right to decide if they want to appear in court or not?
Law enforcement has enough to keep them busy. Teenage antics for exploitation are the game-of-the-day along with filming police arrests and phoning in speeders and the drunks on the highway. We have a bunch of cell-phone busybodies running around with movie cameras playing cop or trying to catch a cop, yet those same busybodies find fault with everything the police try to do. I am sick of the crash in California on the freeway making the news. The train wreck in Tim-Buck-Too. And joe blow crashing his plane in a field. I am sick of stranded folks on mountains who cost society lots of money for their folly while the family in NY had to pay for the helicopter to find her parents only off the edge of the freeway dead after many days. We are a sick society--plain and simple and seem to thrive off other peoples misfortunes.
The media can be a good thing but the degree that they take the so called news only serves to point out the inequities inherent in life and make famous the bottom feeders. And we wonder why there are so many wierdo's?
Gestation in humans is 38 weeks. 38/4.3 wks per month = 8.85 months.
Interesting hypothesis.
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