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Breaking: Peace Agreement Between Israel and Syria?
Little Green Footballs ^ | 1/15/06 | Little Green Footballs

Posted on 01/15/2007 8:28:22 PM PST by zarf

Unverified as of this writing, and the devil is in the details, but Haaretz is reporting a historic agreement between Israel and Syria: Secret understandings reached between representatives of Israel, Syria.

In a series of secret meetings in Europe between September 2004 and July 2006, Syrians and Israelis formulated understandings for a peace agreement between Israel and Syria.

The main points of the understandings are as follows:

* An agreement of principles will be signed between the two countries, and following the fulfillment of all commitments, a peace agreement will be signed.

* As part of the agreement on principles, Israel will withdraw from the Golan Heights to the lines of 4 June, 1967. The timetable for the withdrawal remained open: Syria demanded the pullout be carried out over a five-year period, while Israel asked for the withdrawal to be spread out over 15 years.

* At the buffer zone, along Lake Kinneret, a park will be set up for joint use by Israelis and Syrians. The park will cover a significant portion of the Golan Heights. Israelis will be free to access the park and their presence will not be dependent on Syrian approval.

* Israel will retain control over the use of the waters of the Jordan River and Lake Kinneret.

* The border area will be demilitarized along a 1:4 ratio (in terms of territory) in Israel’s favor.

* According to the terms, Syria will also agree to end its support for Hezbollah and Hamas and will distance itself from Iran.

The document is described as a “non-paper,” a document of understandings that is not signed and lacks legal standing - its nature is political. It was prepared in August 2005 and has been updated during a number of meetings in Europe.



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1 posted on 01/15/2007 8:28:23 PM PST by zarf
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To: zarf

I want peace, but I trust no deal while the Assad regime is still there.


2 posted on 01/15/2007 8:30:18 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Who would turn out better if we split into two separate countries based on the '04 Presidential Map?)
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To: zarf

bttt the backdeals surface


3 posted on 01/15/2007 8:30:30 PM PST by txhurl (park? they're negotiating PARKS??)
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To: zarf
At the buffer zone, along Lake Kinneret, a park will be set up for joint use by Israelis and Syrians. The park will cover a significant portion of the Golan Heights. Israelis will be free to access the park and their presence will not be dependent on Syrian approval.

Sounds like a great place for paintball battles...

4 posted on 01/15/2007 8:31:46 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: zarf

OK.................


5 posted on 01/15/2007 8:31:51 PM PST by shoebooty
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To: zarf

My first reaction is pig in a poke.

There might be one outside chance, however. Maybe the Saudis persuaded Syria to throw in with the Sunni Arabs and stop messing around with Iran and the Shiite terrrorists. Maybe the Syrian regime was feeling too much pressure from all directions.

Not sure I believe that, but it's the one hopeful thing I can think of.


6 posted on 01/15/2007 8:32:34 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: zarf
Never trust your sworn enemy. Syria is NEVER going to live up to their end of the bargain.
7 posted on 01/15/2007 8:33:18 PM PST by NRA2BFree (May you always have love to share, health to spare, and friends that care.)
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To: zarf
Sounds like it isn`t a non-paper but it might work well in the funny papers.
Doesn`t seem like the Israelis are putting any heat on the Rats over Iraq which makes no sense. Anybody know why?
8 posted on 01/15/2007 8:34:51 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: zarf
"The document is described as a “non-paper".

Perhaps that's why I believe that this is non-real.

9 posted on 01/15/2007 8:36:45 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: zarf

When they say secret, do they mean another agreement brokered by uberschlamazel Shimon Peres?


10 posted on 01/15/2007 8:36:56 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: zarf

I really, really thought this was from Scrappleface.


11 posted on 01/15/2007 8:37:19 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME-Please become a monthly donor, or Dollar a Day donor.)
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To: zarf
* According to the terms, Syria will also agree to end its support for Hezbollah and Hamas and will distance itself from Iran.

If the Israelis believe this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to talk about selling them and they can move it across the Jordan River for the invasion forces of A-rabs and rag heads to come thundering across.

12 posted on 01/15/2007 8:37:50 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Dimocrats stand for everything I hate, despise and wish to see destroyed, including dimocrats!)
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To: Txsleuth

I still think it is.


13 posted on 01/15/2007 8:38:15 PM PST by agrace ("Kill the Jews and infidels!" = free speech; "Muslims preach violence!" = hate speech)
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To: Alouette; SJackson; Salem; Esther Ruth; F15Eagle; lupie

ping


14 posted on 01/15/2007 8:39:20 PM PST by agrace ("Kill the Jews and infidels!" = free speech; "Muslims preach violence!" = hate speech)
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To: zarf
Considering how closely tied we are with the Israelis I find it hard to believe the administration would be ratcheting up the rhetoric and pressure on Syria if this was legit.
15 posted on 01/15/2007 8:39:50 PM PST by garv
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To: zarf
Except that Syria is still dedicated to the proposition of the elimination of Israel., it's a good deal.
16 posted on 01/15/2007 8:40:09 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: zarf
Breaking: Peace Agreement Between Israel and Syria?

People that believe this, also believe in the tooth fairy.

17 posted on 01/15/2007 8:41:00 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: NRA2BFree

How and ever, Assad may be confronted by a simple strategic reality. His main ally is far away, and an American army is between Syria and his ally.

I'm convinced that one of the reasons Condi went to the ME was to sound out Olmert and the Saudis about the Boy President. I'm also pretty convinced she's been dealing with the Syrians behind the scenes.

If she ended up in Damascus this week, I wouldn't be surprised.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


18 posted on 01/15/2007 8:41:47 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: mosquewatch.com

I think if it happens, great. Just to play devil's advocate, but maybe Syria realizes that being friendly w/ Iran is worse in the long run than being enemies with Israel. peace was made with Egypt, one never knows.


19 posted on 01/15/2007 8:43:46 PM PST by shoebooty
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To: zarf
DECRIMINALIZE DRUGS

Zarf from your profile which drugs do you want legal?

20 posted on 01/15/2007 8:44:51 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: zarf

The Golan Heights are they crazy?


21 posted on 01/15/2007 8:45:52 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God bless our troops!! Our President and those who fight against the awful commie, liberal left!!)
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To: shoebooty

PM Olmert will agree with you, with his 14% approval rating.


22 posted on 01/15/2007 8:46:32 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: zarf

"The timetable for the withdrawal remained open: Syria demanded the pullout be carried out over a five-year period, while Israel asked for the withdrawal to be spread out over 15 years."

So it will never happen.


23 posted on 01/15/2007 8:46:47 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: zarf

Most likly worth the non paper it's written on.


24 posted on 01/15/2007 8:49:08 PM PST by Kent1957
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To: zarf
Look at the dates, people: "In a series of secret meetings in Europe between September 2004 and July 2006 ....... and ..... The document is described as a “non-paper,” a document of understandings that is not signed and lacks legal standing - its nature is political. It was prepared in August 2005 and has been updated during a number of meetings in Europe.

I'd say Syria's role and actions in the events of August 2006 pretty much rendered this crock of you-know-what moot. However, it might explain some of the incomprehensible insanity of the Olmert government's actions this summer.

25 posted on 01/15/2007 8:53:12 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: zarf

Kill it, don't negotiate with it.

26 posted on 01/15/2007 8:53:58 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: section9

Will Bush get a UN PEACE PRIZE????????????? OF coarse not!!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 01/15/2007 8:56:33 PM PST by therut
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To: zarf
As part of the agreement on principles, Israel will withdraw from the Golan Heights to the lines of 4 June, 1967

I hope this isn't true because this is strategically very stupid. Of course I'm sure the Quartet sees no problem with it ...
28 posted on 01/15/2007 8:57:11 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: section9; NRA2BFree
If she ended up in Damascus this week, I wouldn't be surprised.

And if she believes she can trust Assad to honor any agreement he might make, she's an even bigger fool than she revealed herself to be this past summer.

29 posted on 01/15/2007 8:58:08 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: zarf
According to the terms, Syria will also agree to end its support for Hezbollah and Hamas and will distance itself from Iran.

That's very nice on paper. How does one verify that this is so IN PRACTICE ?
30 posted on 01/15/2007 8:58:39 PM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
The document is described as a “non-paper,” a document of understandings

It does not exist.

31 posted on 01/15/2007 9:00:43 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: mosquewatch.com; SirLinksalot
The document is described as a “non-paper,” a document of understandings

It does not exist.

And, neither will the "peace" it purports to promise.

32 posted on 01/15/2007 9:03:46 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: zarf

Only a fool would believe the haters of Israel will cease their efforts to obliterate Israel after signing an agreement.


33 posted on 01/15/2007 9:08:06 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: tarheelswamprat
It is beyond me why the world continues too support these islamic jihad beetles. I wish nothing more than every islamic terrorist to be under the dirt, and for every land / person that supports them the same.

No more talks, no more negotiations, rid the world of these 7th century feeble minded parasites.

MAYBE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FIND PEACE.

Until then we are all pi$$ing in the wind.

34 posted on 01/15/2007 9:09:28 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: mosquewatch.com

Generations change. Even crusty, rusty ol' muzzies know when they're about to be obsoleted. When you start seeing crazy, inexplicable capitulations by entrenched, old-school Islam, you can be sure they're scrambling to stay on top of a generation that might ditch them at the earliest opportunity.


35 posted on 01/15/2007 9:14:07 PM PST by txhurl
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To: zarf

Take out the colon and it will be the next headline.


36 posted on 01/15/2007 9:17:22 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: txflake
Generations change.

Islam does not. Don't hold on to a straw because the ship is sinking. A moderate nazi said "I don't kill Jews, but I agree with hitler."

A moderate muslim says "I don't agree with killing Jews, but I support hammas."

I deal with these people on a daily basis. Our best of wishes mean nothing.

37 posted on 01/15/2007 9:21:54 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (The trouble starts with an "I" and ends with a "slam".)
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To: zarf
Another articlein Haartz says this: "Syria would also exercise its influence for a solution to the conflict in Iraq, through an agreement between Shi'a leader Muqtada Sadr and the Sunni leadership, and in addition, it would contribute to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the refugee problem."

Looks like Bush knew this was coming down the pike considering the timing of this revelation and the troop surge.

38 posted on 01/15/2007 9:21:58 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: zarf

The Mother of all Hudnas.


39 posted on 01/15/2007 9:46:01 PM PST by Bobalu (This is not the tag line you are looking for.....move along (waves hand))
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To: Rembrandt
Only a fool would believe the haters of Israel will cease their efforts to obliterate Israel after signing an agreement.

Really? What about the 1978 peace agreement between Egypt and Israel (Sadat and Begin)? It's held up pretty well.

40 posted on 01/15/2007 9:53:47 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Txsleuth

My first thought was, "This has to be from The Onion."


41 posted on 01/15/2007 9:56:35 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Boycott all Leftist Media, ignore them and they will go away...)
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To: zarf

I'm all for peace, but only if it's real. Fake peace is worse then outright war.

And given the track record of Syria, I'm imagining 'peace' will be something like the story of the rat and the python. It goes something like this:

The snake is freezing to death, he begs the rat to be let into his rathole to warm up.

The rat says, "Your a snake! You'll eat me!"

The snake says, "No, I won't! You'll have saved my life! I'll be greatful!"

The rat says, "Well, OK, I guess."

The snake warms up, and promptly coils around the rat.

The rat says, "But I saved your life! Why are you eating me?"

The snake says: "Sorry, that's just what I do, I'm a snake. You knew that before you saved me."


42 posted on 01/15/2007 10:02:54 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zarf
One of the few statements James Baker--of the now infamous Iraq Study Group--made that sounded reasonable to me was that "Syria can be flipped." I think the Syrians are too practical to burn in the same conflagration that Iran is hellbent on bringing on itself.
43 posted on 01/15/2007 10:09:14 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: tarheelswamprat

And if she believes she can trust Assad to honor any agreement he might make, she's an even bigger fool than she revealed herself to be this past summer.




I agree.


44 posted on 01/15/2007 10:13:46 PM PST by racing fan (Go Team Israel!)
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To: zarf

how will this affect President Bush's plan to deal with Syria?


45 posted on 01/15/2007 10:16:36 PM PST by balch3
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To: zarf

this IS from the Onion, right?


46 posted on 01/15/2007 10:52:00 PM PST by prophetic
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To: zarf

Sounds like a Democrat campaign speech--laudable bromides, like "bring us together", cure cancer, give everyone a living wage, etc. As was said, the devil is in the details, and this list is ephemera, it seems to me.


47 posted on 01/16/2007 4:42:02 AM PST by jammer
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To: zarf

Lake Kinneret = Sea of Chinnereth = Sea of Galilee


49 posted on 01/16/2007 6:37:55 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: zarf

So Isreal gives up the high ground of Golan and we can all sing Kumbayah!I am sure this will work. /sarcasm on!


50 posted on 01/16/2007 6:40:41 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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