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Nuclear Blast on TV's '24' Causes Fallout for Fox (PC crybaby alert)
ABC News ^ | 1/15/07

Posted on 01/16/2007 6:06:00 AM PST by rintense

"How much longer? I hear someone," says the nervous terrorist with a heavy Middle Eastern accent, just before U.S. agents storm a warehouse where a nuclear device is being assembled. Confusion reigns, drama builds, the device is detonated and a mushroom cloud looms over Los Angeles. Such is primetime television in the age of terrorism, or as some critics charge, has "24" gone too far?

"It's the closest television comes to roller coasters," said David Bianculli, television critic for the New York Daily News. "It works well dramatically, and as far as feeding fears, that's what '24' is all about."

Sut Jhally, co-producer and co-director of the film "Hijacking Catastrophe," says the dramatic action in the show creates a dangerous climate in which the public loses some of its perspective on what's real and what's not. Of course that may be a minority opinion given the show's enormous popularity.

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KEYWORDS: 24; nuclear; proliferation; television; terrorism
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To: blinachka

If you want to see some real edgy stuff WRT the choices we have to make to stop terrorism, go back and look at the previous series these guys did: "La Femme Nikita".


151 posted on 01/16/2007 6:45:12 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: Armed Civilian

Having a black president is a clever and subtle way of saying he's a Democrat without actually saying it. A nice touch, IMO.


152 posted on 01/16/2007 6:45:21 AM PST by Fresh Wind (All we are sa-a-a-ying, is give Beast a chance.)
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To: sure_fine

So the party of free speech is going to try and shut down the conservative portion of talk radio and television. And a sleeping public won't understand the hypocrisy.


153 posted on 01/16/2007 6:45:35 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: blinachka

They do get killed but Curtis was a guy who would get missions done in spite of difficulties. To have him revert to a personal beef when there was a nuke in play made no sense in so far as his character. Out of respect to his character I thought he should have died in the field or even trying to stop the nuke. Jack could have been sprurred to get back in the game 100% losing a comrade instead of having to kill him himself.

I understand what they were trying to do but there was a better way to do it.


154 posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:06 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Miss Marple

Good point. I am still thankful Gore lost that election. Just hope that 2008 doesn't bring us Hillary or Barak!


155 posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:32 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: melancholy

I remember the furor over ABC (IIRC) showing "the Day After" about the midwesst after being devastated by nuclear bombs. Everybody was upset - can't show the consequences of losing the cold war, can we?

And how the star of "Amerika", Kris Kristofeson (or however you spell it) went to Moscow to protest the showing of that mimiseries - although I'm sure he was handsomely paid to be it's star. Can't show scenarions of a Russian takeover either.

in both cases, the left was beside itself.


156 posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:33 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: rintense

Chloe seems to have a wierd taste in men.


157 posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:40 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Armed Civilian
Wayne Logan = Barak Obama

So true. Both are underqualified, celebrity candidates.

158 posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:42 AM PST by NeoCaveman (I still can't believe they killed Curtis)
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To: Alouette
No, Arabs reinforce stereotypes about Arabs.

In some instances perhaps. But shows like 24 reinforce them. I watched the past two nights as I had never seen the show. Pure drivel, fearmongering crap. Arabs are out to get you, suitcase nukes in every city, blah, blah, blah..That show's been on for six series? I'm going to start a TV station tomorrow that shows only paint drying. It would be more informative and entertaining than that.

"It's the closest television comes to roller coasters," said David Bianculli, television critic for the New York Daily News. "It works well dramatically, and as far as feeding fears, that's what '24' is all about."

About says it all. In today's feelings environment, the only thing that gets on TV these days are based mainly on emotions and less on rational thought. 24 sure as hell does that. And it's not even entertaining.

Flame away.

159 posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:46 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: KarlInOhio
Nieson ratings are a joke. If the ratings were actually based on what the majority of people were watching(as in being able to tell which cable channel a user is watching in every household), then I might put more stock in them.

But Nielson chooses people at random and gives them a device that records what they watch for about 2-6 months.The total amount of people is around .00000000001 percent of the US population.

So the odds of getting a really good idea of what people watch are virtually nill. But at least Nielson can claim they are right and rake in the moola.

160 posted on 01/16/2007 6:47:01 AM PST by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: Wolfie

"One thing's for sure, no need to worry about the other 4 nukes. The one man who can put them together blew himself up."

Good catch. How about the ticket taker in the subway car last week. Do those guys even exist anymore?


161 posted on 01/16/2007 6:47:12 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: rintense
After the first two nights, 24 is proving again why it is the best show on television. Maybe ever on television. The writers (whatever their political persuasion) are masterful at playing both sides of the issue. They also give you a real sense of the conflict between those on the "front lines" and those running things from the comfort of an office. There's just not always a black and white --- and yet, sometimes there IS.

Last night's ending was simply brilliant. I was expecting the usual "find the nuke" cliffhanger for the next couple of weeks, but they cut right to the chase and made everybody sit up and take notice. Fasten your seatbelts...

162 posted on 01/16/2007 6:47:40 AM PST by workerbee (Democrats are a waste of tax money and good oxygen.)
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To: SittinYonder
Nope that was not the story. the story line there was, if the neighbor is being abused there are good people out there waiting to help them. Yes, the story line was terrifying , but it can happen in the USA. Last night one of the heroes was a former terrorist who killed Americans in the gulf war.Pay attention, then he started working with us to save us. Whether we like it or not scary or not a suitcase nuke could happen in the USA and last night on 24 it did. Thank God it was only a show on TV. In fairness to the liberals who hide sometimes in here , the fact is they brought out everything last night. The fact that there may be abuse on good Arab Americans and the fact that rats may be hiding among us.If a bomb does go off in America , the lives we lose will be tremendous, and it will take years upon years to recover. Some people deny terrorists exist and some blame us and Jews , fact it if we do not watch and protect the USA even on the local level this could happen. We need everybody absolutely everybody to fight this fight. If a bomb goes off nobody in ground zero is left behind and then there are the perimeters which will be affected. Also the radiation is included . If you did not like the show last night , I am sorry. If you did not get the message , sorry about that too. But can you tell me and the people in this room that this will absolutely never happen?
163 posted on 01/16/2007 6:47:49 AM PST by betsyross1776
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To: montag813
Curtis trying to kill Assad (with good reason)

Not good at all, MOF such unprofessional behaviour strikes me as out of character for him. I really doubt that any self-respecting operative would go off half-cocked and try to kill that best source of information available; a more realistic scenario would be for Curtis to kill Assad after the terrorists are stopped.

164 posted on 01/16/2007 6:47:51 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Pluto's been marginalized! Call the ACLU!)
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To: billbears
"It works well dramatically, and as far as feeding fears, that's what '24' is all about."

It's basically a "reality" show.

165 posted on 01/16/2007 6:48:23 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Being married to Chloe would be the one thing that would make Jack Bauer break....


166 posted on 01/16/2007 6:48:26 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Rummyfan
Those who are going to watch an 'awards show' are beyond reaching anyway.

"24"'s true ratings could be 19.0 instead of 10.5 and Nielsen would never know about it. Because their system does not take into account DVRs such as Tivo.

167 posted on 01/16/2007 6:49:09 AM PST by montag813
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To: encm(ss)

He's dead Jim.


168 posted on 01/16/2007 6:49:18 AM PST by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: freeperfromnj
And how did the President's brother become President after he was killed? Why didn't the Vice President take over? I find this part of the story line very confusing.

The first president Palmer was three presidents ago, at least.

Apparently Wayne Palmer won the last election.

169 posted on 01/16/2007 6:49:24 AM PST by NeoCaveman (I still can't believe they killed Curtis)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

He is. Logan was a Republican, the first Palmer was a democrat. After Logan's (the Nixon look alike) duplicity with the terrorists then of course the first Palmer's brother was a shoe in to win the election. :) Unfortunately he is not his brother.


Sigh..... Can you tell I'm an avid fan of 24? :)


170 posted on 01/16/2007 6:49:36 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: misterrob

It was clear to me that Curtis was disobeying orders. Was sad to see him go but he let his emotions get in the way of the mission. NOT GOOD.

Logan was the VP under the first President Palmer. He
got caught up in corruption and was thrown out. I guess his VP became President as he was involved in exposing Logan as was Logans wife and various other people and then he lost election due to the liberal weenie voters who elected the 2nd President Wayne Palmer.


171 posted on 01/16/2007 6:49:46 AM PST by alisasny (Cynthia McKinny..INTERNATIONAL BLACK FEMALE CONGRESSPERSON OF MYSTERY)
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To: rintense
God forbid that we might actually think that a muz-lum or a-rab might actually bear hate and contempt for Americans and westerners. God forbid that we might actually get the real idea that these thugs, murderers and terrorists want to kill every single one of us, enslave us, and enslave women. God forbid that we actually might believe they hate us for whatever warped mind they might think of that hate in. Godbid that we see them training small children with weapons and body bombs to kill Jews, Americans and westerners. Lord help us with the homosexual loving socialist dimocrats are in charge. Cause shortly after that, Issss-lum is going to be in charge of THEM.
172 posted on 01/16/2007 6:50:19 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Dimocrats stand for everything I hate, despise and wish to see destroyed, including dimocrats!)
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To: NeoCaveman

Thanks for clearing that up. I missed part of last season.


173 posted on 01/16/2007 6:50:34 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: camle

Unfortunately the Sheeple believe the TV war is legitimate but the one President Bush is fighting is illegitimate.


174 posted on 01/16/2007 6:50:41 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: freeperfromnj
Two years have elapsed since last season and Jack being kidnapped by the Chinese.

When David Palmer was assasinated, he was already an ex-President. President Logan was deposed and the VP took over and then there was an election. Palmer's younger brother ran and won on the sympathy vote (a parallel to Jack and Bobby Kennedy?).

175 posted on 01/16/2007 6:50:48 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: billbears

If there was no such TV show as "24" there would be no prejudice and stereotyping against Moslems and everybody would realize what nonviolent, gentle and peaceful folks they are, just based on the way they conduct themselves all over the world.

Let me ponder that for a while.


176 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:05 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119: 97-176)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Chloe seems to have a wierd taste in men.

So there's hope for us all.

SD

177 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:07 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: rintense

I missed the sunday premier, how much time supposedly elapsed between the end of last season and the beginning of this one?

And how the hell did palmer's bro become prez?


178 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:08 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: freeperfromnj

His brother was not Prez when he was killed last season. Logan was President. Wayne was elected according to the script 3mos ago.


179 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:24 AM PST by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: Flavius

LOL, I never watched the show until the 4th season when CAIR was complaining about the show using Muslims as terrorists. I started watching that season, watched ever since. I borrowed the previous seasons from the library and watched them. now I'm hooked!


180 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:37 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

LOL! I thought the same. Morris doesn't seem to be her type, too old . He is supposed to be her ex husband and I don't trust him.


181 posted on 01/16/2007 6:51:49 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Remove the Seven Rules of Engagement, NOW! Our troops deserve better than to be sitting ducks!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Not on the subways in NYC, you pay to enter the station but the LIRR has ticket takers. THey walk through the cars a few times per trip.


182 posted on 01/16/2007 6:52:06 AM PST by alisasny (Cynthia McKinny..INTERNATIONAL BLACK FEMALE CONGRESSPERSON OF MYSTERY)
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To: Chi-townChief
"Television shows like '24' also reinforce stereotypes about Arabs, he said, and in this episode connections are drawn between terrorism, Arabs and nuclear war. With the U.S. wrestling with Iran over its nuclear capabilities, these associations are dangerous, he said."

Interesting non-sequitar.

Not really. Iranians are not Arab.

183 posted on 01/16/2007 6:52:15 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Paloma_55

"The fact is, there ARE suitcase nukes out there..." False


184 posted on 01/16/2007 6:52:30 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Wolfie
One thing's for sure, no need to worry about the other 4 nukes. The one man who can put them together blew himself up.

I wouldn't count on that.

185 posted on 01/16/2007 6:52:35 AM PST by Despot of the Delta ("Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience")
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To: SlowBoat407

I didn't think about McCain! Good point!!


186 posted on 01/16/2007 6:53:09 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: billbears

That you have not watched the show before leaves your contributions a bit light in the loafers. This show has always taken extremes and done it well. It has shown bad Muslims as well as people who want to do the right thing. It has also shown corruption of government power, the damage that unchecked liberalism and corporate greed can present and what weak minded leadership offers. Nothing is ever what it seems.

However, if you were really paying attention last night and consider yourself a non liberal the show points out that there are some seriously bad actors in the Arab community and they have infested our communities. (Europe has a worse problem).


187 posted on 01/16/2007 6:53:21 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Armed Civilian
Wayne Logan = Barak Obama

Nope. Unfortunately Wayne Palmer = just about every candidate I see for 2008 so far, with the possible exception of Giuliani.

188 posted on 01/16/2007 6:53:37 AM PST by montag813
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To: Texas Songwriter

"Wasn't it ABC who gave us "The Morning After" about a Soviet strike all across the USA? That was over 10 years ago."

"The Day After" was an ABC drama televised at precisely the time Reagan was fighting to introduce intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Europe. And it was blatantly intended to influence public opinion on that subject. I remember Peter Jennings pontificating about the show on the Evening News, as though that made it important. The show was a complete bomb (no pun intended).



189 posted on 01/16/2007 6:53:54 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: blinachka

Yes a character just like OBAMA. There is no mention over the last seasons of him EVER holding public office. He doesn't have the background other than that He was the brother of a beloved dead ex President. He got the popular vote.


190 posted on 01/16/2007 6:53:55 AM PST by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: freeperfromnj
It's basically a "reality" show.

Sure, in a parallel universe perhaps. A badly written season long Tom Clancy novel. Just what we need. Course if we didn't have that another Law & Order clone would pop up in that time slot. I don't know which would be worse

191 posted on 01/16/2007 6:54:44 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Chi-townChief

Actually in season 2 there was a whole sub plot about the perfect little American family, and the 'pretty' daughter is marrying an Arab, a wealthy one. Is he or isn't he a terrorist? There are many superficial signs that point to it. I think the lesson of that season was "don't judge a book by its cover".


192 posted on 01/16/2007 6:54:44 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Peach
Didn't you hear about the conference on shutting down conservative free speech this past weekend in Memphis?
193 posted on 01/16/2007 6:55:13 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: rintense
"Fear has been used to paralyze people's intellects," said Jhally. "If they can scare people, almost anything becomes possible. When people are afraid their brains shut off and it makes you confused and want easy solutions."

Isn't that what the terrorists think?

194 posted on 01/16/2007 6:55:15 AM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Squawk 8888
Not good at all, MOF such unprofessional behaviour strikes me as out of character for him

I don't endorse Curtis' actions. I merely state that, unlike the racist neighbor, he has some justification for wanting to kill Assad. His men were slaughtered like pigs by Assad's people.

195 posted on 01/16/2007 6:55:33 AM PST by montag813
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To: TADSLOS

Exactly right. TV war good, real war bad. Oh, and a rumor about something that someone may have overheard in a crowded disco which could possibly have referred to Natalie Holloway or someone else can be discussed for months. But a in depth report about the nuclear weapsons research program Khadafyi WAS running for Saddam in Libya? NOT A PEEP.


196 posted on 01/16/2007 6:56:26 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: rintense
has "24" gone too far?

"24" jumps the shark about 6 times in every episode.

I was disappointed by the Jack's return from China. So freaking lame! I thought that he would jump overboard in mid-ocean, hitch a ride on a right whale, and email Chloe to send a schematic of the ocean floor to his trusty PDA (which of course he kept secreted from the Chinese) to find out which submarines are in the area. Chloe tells him that the closest sub is a Russian, but that's OK as Jack saved the sub captain's life in a previous episode.

197 posted on 01/16/2007 6:56:29 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119: 97-176)
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To: SoothingDave

"Television shows like '24' also reinforce stereotypes about Arabs"

The stereotype that Arabs participate in acts of terrorism? Where would people get that idea?


198 posted on 01/16/2007 6:56:55 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: workerbee
I never turn on network TV, except for 24 and NASCAR.
199 posted on 01/16/2007 6:56:59 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Dave S
The new President on "24" has to be a democrat He is black. Does that give you a hint.

There once was a white president on 24. He was utterly spineless, his wife was a drunk, and eventually he turned traitor, as I recall.

200 posted on 01/16/2007 6:57:18 AM PST by Jack Black
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