And the fact that people like you won't have to deal in any event with the mess that results, gloves on or off.
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. ---George Orwell
Never seen ya before, but reading your posts you sound like a chickenshit buchananite.
Get a grip on history, will ya. This MESS you and Pinchy dream about, is called victory. Victory is always brutal and always comes at a price. Iraq is historic not for being a quagmire, but for being so casualty adverse.
Go back to sitting on Cindy's knee.
Oh. Al Kayda and Iran are making so much noise that you can't hear them, right?
In case you haven't notice, the Islamic world has seen fit to bring its pathologies to our door. Otherwise, I'd love to allow them to kill each other over there.