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Retreat Isn't an Option (Liz Cheney Tells it Like it is!)
Washington Post ^ | January 23, 2007 | Liz Cheney

Posted on 01/23/2007 1:03:35 AM PST by RWR8189

Sen. Hillary Clinton declared this weekend, " I'm in to win." Anyone who has watched her remarkable trajectory can have no doubt that she'll do whatever it takes to win the presidency. I wish she felt the same way about the war.

In fairness, Clinton, with her proposal for arbitrary caps on troop levels and hemming and hawing about her vote for the war resolution, has company on both sides of the aisle. Sen. Joseph Lieberman is the only national Democrat showing any courage on this issue. We Republicans -- with help from senators such as Chuck Hagel -- seem ready to race the Democrats to the bottom

I'd like to ask the politicians in both parties who are heading for the hills to stop and reflect on these basic facts:

· We are at war. America faces an existential threat. This is not, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi has claimed, a "situation to be solved." It would be nice if we could wake up tomorrow and say, as Sen. Barack Obama suggested at a Jan. 11 hearing, "Enough is enough." Wishing doesn't make it so. We will have to fight these terrorists to the death somewhere, sometime. We can't negotiate with them or "solve" their jihad. If we quit in Iraq now, we must get ready for a harder, longer, more deadly struggle later.

· Quitting helps the terrorists. Few politicians want to be known as spokesmen for retreat. Instead we hear such words as "redeployment," "drawdown" or "troop cap." Let's be clear: If we restrict the ability of our troops to fight and win this war, we help the terrorists. Don't take my word for it. Read the plans of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman Zawahiri to drive America

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cheney; defeat; iraqwar; lizcheney; retreat; victoryiniraq; waronterror

1 posted on 01/23/2007 1:03:38 AM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
"..We Republicans -- with help from senators such as Chuck Hagel -- seem ready to race the Democrats to the bottom.."

Hagel and pals will flush the GOP for who know how long.

2 posted on 01/23/2007 1:28:43 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: RWR8189

Wow, she hit a home run. I think "W" should read her article tomorrow night and wish everyone a good evening.


3 posted on 01/23/2007 1:29:44 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Very Good!


4 posted on 01/23/2007 1:42:41 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: RWR8189

If Dick Cheney was sitting in the White House, America would be far better off. Both he and his wife are light years ahead of the current incumbents in political orthodoxy and intellect.


5 posted on 01/23/2007 1:48:15 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney, left, walk with other members of a U.S. delegation before paying respects at The Wall of Death at the Auschwitz-1 Nazi concentration camp, near Krakow, Poland, Jan. 28, 2005. Vice President Cheney was there to take part in ceremonies commemorating the 60th Anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz camps. The Wall of Death was named for its use as the backdrop for firing squads where thousands of prisoners were executed while the camp was in operation. White House photo by David Bohrer

6 posted on 01/23/2007 2:07:26 AM PST by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrsNCO)Military)
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To: RWR8189
At least someone has the balls to call a spade a spade. I hate the media for not repeating the facts above over and over again, instead of acting as the spy network and propaganda wing of the terrorists.

Liberals suck.
7 posted on 01/23/2007 2:25:28 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: ZULU

The other of this op-ed would be the VP's eldest daughter.


8 posted on 01/23/2007 2:41:50 AM PST by RWR8189 (Support the Republican Study Committee)
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To: RWR8189

She sounds a lot like her mother. Pretty smart gal there. Both senior Cheneys should be proud.


9 posted on 01/23/2007 2:48:37 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: RWR8189; P-Marlowe

On another thread I read a comment from a civilian who said that "the politicians have screwed up the war."

There are probably all kinds of responses to that, but the one that interests me at the moment is how the war could get unscrewed so this guy could support it again.

In short, based on American culture, it would have to be something like the Indianapolis Colts and Payton Manning in the 2nd half coming out and slinging their way to a tie and then a victory.

We have to get within a field goal.

How do we translate that back to the battlefield?

There's only one way, and that's a resounding victory someplace that goes over the head of the media's ability to reinterpret it.

The QUICK, OBVIOUS PACIFICATION of Baghdad would do that. Temporarily, so would the capture of bin Laden.


10 posted on 01/23/2007 2:51:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: RWR8189
It just confirms that overall, we'd be much better off with generations of the Cheney family in the Presidency than the Bush family. The elder was a huge disappointment. W is very mixed. Great on terrorism, great with taxes, bad with spending, and outright horrifying on immigration. Since the RATS have taken over, the direction has been worrisome outside of the troop surge and the seeming loosening of the ROE.

It's too bad that Dick's heart is not up to being President, but at least we had him as VP for eight years. Maybe we can get Liz to run against Hellary. She seems to have her father's stones for the task.

11 posted on 01/23/2007 3:23:05 AM PST by Dahoser (Never question Mr. Nibbles!)
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To: RWR8189

Cheney should run for senator. She's one of the few articulates on the right.


12 posted on 01/23/2007 3:29:04 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: xzins
a resounding victory someplace that goes over the head of the media's ability to reinterpret it.

The Tet Offensive in Viet Nam in 1968 was such a victory, but the media reinterpreted it anyway. The Viet Cong were destroyed almost entirely during that battle (~ 68,000 VC were killed), and were never again an effective fighting force. To this day, every one thinks of it as a major loss to the US.

13 posted on 01/23/2007 3:39:32 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Hardastarboard

If Tet had happened during the era of talk radio, internet, and Fox News, what would have been different, in your opinion?


14 posted on 01/23/2007 3:48:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: tkathy; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; Nancee; trisham; Kelly_2000; kassie; lysie; ...
Liz has a better grasp of what's going on then most in Washington.

I wish President Bush would chuck the domestic agenda in his State of the Union speech, and hit America right between the eyes in regards to what is needed to be done to win this war.

15 posted on 01/23/2007 4:00:17 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: tkathy

senator?
we should set up an exploratory commitee for "Liz for President"!
she's articulate, attractive, and anti-lib--and she always seems ready to jump into the fray.
republican women are the best!


16 posted on 01/23/2007 4:04:29 AM PST by corbie
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To: corbie

She is telegenic, articulate, witty, quick and extremely likeable.


17 posted on 01/23/2007 4:19:26 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Joe Boucher

Why can't we find a nice state for Lynn to represent in the Senate?


18 posted on 01/23/2007 4:54:45 AM PST by mbraynard
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To: RWR8189
We Republicans -- with help from senators such as Chuck Hagel -- seem ready to race the Democrats to the bottom

Sounds like she hit the money line too soon . . . . . . . but it's a GREAT money line!!

19 posted on 01/23/2007 5:07:33 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: RWR8189

Excellent, Liz. Keep writing op-eds PLEASE.
Kate


20 posted on 01/23/2007 5:10:54 AM PST by katieanna
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To: Northern Yankee
and hit America right between the eyes in regards to what is needed to be done to win this war.

And what would that be, exactly?

And by "this war," do you simply mean the Iraq War (define "win" precisely, please ...), or do you mean the larger war between militant Islam and all its rivals?

21 posted on 01/23/2007 6:23:29 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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To: mbraynard

Mrs. Dole is suggesting that she might not seek reelection in North Carolina.

Mrs. Cheney is considerably sharper, imo, but Mrs. Dole has a better haircut.


22 posted on 01/23/2007 6:25:01 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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To: Northern Yankee
"We Republicans -- with help from senators such as Chuck Hagel -- seem ready to race the Democrats to the bottom"

I agree!!

I also think that the Cheney Couple is THE single most outstanding team in town!! Hats off to Vice President Dick and Lynn Cheney!!!

:-)

23 posted on 01/23/2007 7:19:43 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: Jay Howard Smith

I always liked Cheney. He sounds like he could chew Democrats and liberals up into little pieces and spit them out.


24 posted on 01/23/2007 9:24:24 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: RWR8189

I don't approve of her lifestyle, but that's between her and God. He's not responsible for what she does.


25 posted on 01/23/2007 9:25:30 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

That's the other daughter.


26 posted on 01/23/2007 10:11:08 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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To: ZULU

I still say Dick Cheney is the only candidate who can beat Clinton in 2008!
And Cheney is the most qualified for the job.
I know, I know...Cheney has repeatedly said he is not a candidate but people do change their minds.

Cheney/Steele in 2008
Has a nice ring to it; don't you think?


27 posted on 01/23/2007 11:54:38 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: mbraynard

She certainly would be better then either of my senators here in Florida.
But then mickey mouse would probably be better.


28 posted on 01/23/2007 1:46:45 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: kellynla

MOre than his age - his heart.


29 posted on 01/23/2007 2:04:45 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

yep...when you're right...you're right...

but I sure as hell wish he would run!!!
I don't see anyone else out there better.


30 posted on 01/23/2007 2:52:44 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Tax-chick
Let's win the war in Iraq first!
31 posted on 01/23/2007 3:35:53 PM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Tax-chick
According to Al Queda reports last fall, from intercepts, we were winning this war, and defeating Al Queda.

We need to continue to defeat them.

If we pull out we will have only allowed them to define the terms, and understand that we can't handle conflict over the long haul.

President Bush has always stated that it would be a long conflict, unlike anything we have ever seen.

What's your take?

32 posted on 01/23/2007 3:41:40 PM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Northern Yankee

I agree that pulling out is the wrong course.

However, to "win," we need to define "win." If "winning" means eliminating Al-Qaeda, then we need a plan to do that, and a means of determining when it's been done. If it means to have established a peaceful government in Iraq, then we need to backtrack, hold new elections, because right now we're supporting a Shi'ite Islamist government.

I hope President Bush has a good plan! I think, though, that it's a complicated situation, and we need to determine our objectives carefully and then insist on achieving them.


33 posted on 01/23/2007 4:03:05 PM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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To: Tax-chick
Agreed!

I am trying to remember who was in Iraq to help set up the Iraqi Government. (Paul?...) He worked with the State Department, and left about a year ago. Of all the people that we have heard from, he had the best grasp of the situation.

I wish he was there now.

34 posted on 01/23/2007 4:58:49 PM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: kellynla

Duncam Hunter - the dark horse the media wants America to ignore.


35 posted on 01/23/2007 11:09:44 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Tax-chick
Paul Bremmer!

That's who it was.

Morning!

36 posted on 01/24/2007 3:36:34 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Northern Yankee

Good morning! How are you?


37 posted on 01/24/2007 4:54:40 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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To: Tax-chick
Am doing well! (On lunch break...)

Saw the SOTIU last night. I thought for the most part it was good.

And you?

Did you see the speech?

38 posted on 01/24/2007 9:46:44 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Northern Yankee

No, we watched "Antiques Roadshow"!


39 posted on 01/24/2007 11:59:42 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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