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Imprisoned Agent's Wife: President a Hypocrite
DiscoverTheNetworks.org ^ | Jan. 24, '07 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 01/24/2007 2:54:49 PM PST by T.L.Sink

Ramos, the wife of Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos, attended the event[State of the Union address] as a guest of Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. "What I sat in the gallery and heard tonight," she said, "was a total sell-out of the United States of America to Mexico. I heard President Bush's message loud and clear. All the president has to offer is electronic gadgets. Meanwhile, our borders are wide open to illegal aliens, criminals and drug smugglers. God help the honest men and women of the Border Patrol who want to do their duty. It's a losing battle..."

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Lesson: Pardon some drug dealers but not those who put their lives on the line trying to keep them out of the country.
1 posted on 01/24/2007 2:54:49 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Two wrongs don't make it right. What those two boarder agents did was illegal also, they tried to cover up what they did. WHY? There have been many shootings on boarder and other board agents were cleared.


3 posted on 01/24/2007 3:01:47 PM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-DDG 61)
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To: T.L.Sink

Bush is a hypocrite, and worse. To let these two rot in prison for defending our borders...

That's why I didn't watch his speech last night. I continue to hate all Democrats, and continue to support the President on the war. But I hate him now, too. For this issue.

I don't care how right he is in his Iraq policy, for him to do the work of the enemy by putting these two defenders in prison... I really can't look at his face right now. (I've stopped watching all TV news and only get my news here.)

It's unforgiveable. What deal did he make with Mexico? What price did he sell us all out for?

As for those who say "why doesn't he pardon them"... wasn't he behind the prosecution in the first place? Isn't the prosecuting attorney a friend of his? This was a set-up. This was a deliberate sacrifice of two good men in order to keep all Border Patrol agents in line.

This is the President of the United States siding with the Mexican government against sworn agents of the US government.

This is as bad as you can imagine, in your worst nightmares. Including the little detail of the perp now suing the US for $5 million.


4 posted on 01/24/2007 3:04:38 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Dreagon

Dont be a demon-crat tell the whole story? They were jailed cause they lied and the DA caught them in 8 lies. Or that does not count. Then they both threw away the guns they shot the azz-hat with to try to cover up, then they lied to the fbi as well as their own supervisor.

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the full story.


5 posted on 01/24/2007 3:05:08 PM PST by straps (The problems with us republicans is, " We shoot our own wounded")
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To: samtheman
Bush is a hypocrite, and worse. To let these two rot in prison for defending our borders...

They are felons. Obstruction of Justice is serious. Blaming Bush is juvenile.

6 posted on 01/24/2007 3:06:46 PM PST by PRND21
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To: samtheman

The POTUS does not put people in Jail. Learn our constitution its done by DAs and DOJ get the story straight please


7 posted on 01/24/2007 3:06:53 PM PST by straps (The problems with us republicans is, " We shoot our own wounded")
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To: T.L.Sink

I guess I'll be "throwing away my vote", but I'm voting Tancredo in 2008.


8 posted on 01/24/2007 3:08:26 PM PST by GunnyHartman (The DNC, misunderestimating Dubya's strategery since 2000.)
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To: straps

I didn't say he personally put him in jail, jerk. Read what I posted. The prosecuting attorney (who made sure that Homeland Security (sic) went across the border to find the smarmy little perp to drag him back to testify against the agents) did the actual dirty work.

Big deal.

When 55 congressmen asked the President for the pardon, why did he refuse to respond? Even refused to say "no"?

Because he's part of the fix. And the fix is in.


9 posted on 01/24/2007 3:09:02 PM PST by samtheman
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To: T.L.Sink
If we had real sovereignty, the borders would be secured.
If we had a real war on drugs, these drug runners would be shot for poisoning children.
And to the druggies of FR, some of your money goes to kill Americans, so you can KMA!
10 posted on 01/24/2007 3:10:32 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Well said.


11 posted on 01/24/2007 3:13:24 PM PST by Godebert
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To: T.L.Sink

see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1772799/posts


12 posted on 01/24/2007 3:14:38 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Dreagon

"More than 4000 Americans a year die at the hands of illegal aliens,"

Gonna need a source on that.


13 posted on 01/24/2007 3:16:23 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: T.L.Sink
Join the fun on the other thread. It's up to 347+ replies.
14 posted on 01/24/2007 3:18:15 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: T.L.Sink

Shame people who talk border issues cannot even spell border, as is evidenced in later posts. No wonder it is easy to convince you , that those, who are given the responsibility of enforcing our borders, are bad for shooting at drug runners!

Why is it so hard to see that this drug runner was committing an illegal act upon the US?


15 posted on 01/24/2007 3:19:40 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: straps

"The truth the whole truth and nothing but the full story."

Not on FR, not anymore. They shot an unarmed man in the butt as he was trying to flee. LATER, they found drugs in the van. They hid shooting evidence, purposely obstructed the investigation and lied to anybody who would listen.

I only read FR and was on these guys side 100% when I first read this. Well, now I know the facts. I'm not sure what's happened to these supposed "conservatives" who advocate shooting people down in cold blood. Meltdown after the mid-terms I guess.


16 posted on 01/24/2007 3:23:24 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

I agree with you. Everything I knew about this case came from FR and I was outraged as well..That was UNTIL I actually learne the facts of the case. I guess the facts don't matter anymore to some here at FR.


17 posted on 01/24/2007 3:26:35 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: indylindy

"Why is it so hard to see that this drug runner was committing an illegal act upon the US?"

So we just gun criminals down in the street now? And you do know the drugs were not discovered until after the shooting right? Your arguement must be terribly weak if you have to result to attacking people's typos.


18 posted on 01/24/2007 3:28:10 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Hildy

"I guess the facts don't matter anymore to some here at FR."

It's a bit disheartening.


19 posted on 01/24/2007 3:32:33 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

This guy was a known drug runner. So the dope was found in his car later. He was still coming across the border illegally and violating US law. Your argument is weak, because you are defending a criminal who is coming into our country illegally. Would you be happy if his bag of dope ended up in the veins or lungs of you child? What is always forgotten here, is that this drug runner was illegal and seeking to profit off of illegal activity within the US. He should have been prosecuted, imprisoned and then deported. Grow up!


20 posted on 01/24/2007 3:36:18 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: indylindy
He should have been prosecuted, imprisoned and then deported. Grow up!

Yes..that's all true...but NOT SHOT AT.

21 posted on 01/24/2007 3:38:03 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: Hildy

Whatever, obviously his ass survived. At least enough to whine to the US and Mexico. If the US does not want Border agents to have guns, then do not give them to them. Just let drug runners and thugs cone across at their will. Offering immunity says drugs are okay, stopping them is not.


22 posted on 01/24/2007 3:41:21 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: straps
FR always has an idiot show up. Evidently you have a copy of the trial,or were a witness to the whole thing? Go tell some in DU, your ignorant of the facts. It's obvious that you haven't done a whole lot of research to what the facts are...

Here are some of the facts about the Stonewalling ...

Or that 70 Congressman are calling for a pardon?



Interesting that Investor's Business Daily is curious about a dirty prosecutor...as in NiFonged.


The POTUS does not put people in Jail. Learn our constitution its done by DAs and DOJ get the story straight please

Hey smart guy, this is already on Bush's desk. It takes a pardon from a president, and some congressional investigation to get a grip on how wrong headed this case is.
23 posted on 01/24/2007 3:42:02 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: samtheman
It's unforgiveable. What deal did he [President Bush] make with Mexico? What price did he sell us all out for?

The conspiracy theorists on FR will try and tell you this is no big deal. But before you believe them...

IMHO, second only to the global war on Islamofascism, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) represents the greatest threat to our country.

Follow this link, download the .pdf file and begin reading on page 23 which is page one of the report.

President Bush is bound and determined to let the illegals overrun our country. Don't take my word for it. Go read the report.

You may also be interested in this article by Phyllis Schlafly titled, CFR's Plan to Integrate the U.S., Mexico and Canada. Excerpt:

The CFR document [see link above] lays "the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America." The "common security perimeter" will require us to "harmonize visa and asylum regulations" with Mexico and Canada, "harmonize entry screening," and "fully share data about the exit and entry of foreign nationals."

This CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details.

Illegal aliens are pervasive. They are everywhere. They kill, per day, more Americans than we loose in Iraq. If they're deported they come right back. They commit multiple crimes. They taunt us with their illegality. They drain our taxpayer funded entitlement programs. They mock our Rule of Law. They have little respect for our culture. Our national sovereignty is a joke to them.

Rule of Law: trashed
US Sovereignty: trashed
Democratic process: trashed

24 posted on 01/24/2007 3:42:39 PM PST by upchuck (Wanted: Conservatives to go read this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771175/posts)
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To: indylindy

Wait one second there my friend...would it have been better for you if the guy died? You might not care, but we do have laws here. So you're saying that law enforcement has the right to shoot at ANYONE they think is of a dangerous nature, anytime they want? You can't possibly be saying that unless you want to live in the wild west.


25 posted on 01/24/2007 3:44:25 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: upchuck
Some more documentation that people need to see.



Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

* * *


While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

* * *


But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

26 posted on 01/24/2007 3:47:48 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: flynmudd
Listen, if it were in the 1880's and the border guards were Texas Rangers, I don't think there would be this problem. The drug runner would no longer exist.

Furthermore, what the border guards did was right. Do you think if the situation were reversed and you were on the Mexican side of the border doing what the drug runner was doing that you would still be alive. I don't think so.

27 posted on 01/24/2007 3:48:07 PM PST by Parmy
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To: T.L.Sink

President Bush is a saint!


28 posted on 01/24/2007 3:49:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: indylindy
This guy was a known drug runner.

He had a record

So the dope was found in his car later. He was still coming across the border illegally and violating US law.

Yep. I don't like him already

Your argument is weak, because you are defending a criminal who is coming into our country illegally.

I have not said one word in that man's defense. He did nothing right.

Would you be happy if his bag of dope ended up in the veins or lungs of you child? What is always forgotten here, is that this drug runner was illegal and seeking to profit off of illegal activity within the US.

Nobody has forgotten that. What people seem to have forgotten is these guys broke the law then tried to cover it up. People go to jail for that every day.

He should have been prosecuted, imprisoned and then deported.

I agree but instead he was shot in the butt illegally and the agents tried to cover it up and as a result he is now free.

Grow up!

I'm not the one advocating murder.

29 posted on 01/24/2007 3:52:16 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Hildy

Oh stow it, don't act so offended. While we are talking laws, how about enforcement of US law? I am all for enforcing laws on citizens who are legal within the US. I just do not think stepping it up to enforce the law on lawbreakers who are willing violating the US law, deserve better than US citizens who are given the job of enforcing border law and keeping out the flow of drugs. He was lucky to get out with a pimple on his ass. The damage done by his coming in here was far greater to American citizens and taxpayers. Boo Hoo, if this was sincere, he would have felt glad he got out of here with a hole in his butt and kept his drug dealing mouth shut. An obvious set up for dupes who believe him.


30 posted on 01/24/2007 3:53:34 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Revolting cat!
President Bush is a saint!

Show me the three miracles.

Isn't deifying someone a sin?

31 posted on 01/24/2007 3:54:13 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: indylindy

You're talking apples and oranges, and you have to know it. Two different arguments. I don't want to live in a country where policemen can shoot at you whenever they feel you may be doing something wrong. I'm sorry to hear you do.


32 posted on 01/24/2007 3:55:47 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: L98Fiero
I don't think a bullet in the ass is murder. I will agree that they should not have covered it up. For that, they deserve punishment. Just not what was given them by offering immunity to a known drug runner and violator of US law. Not a just example to present to American Citizens.
33 posted on 01/24/2007 3:57:19 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: upchuck

"The conspiracy theorists on FR will try and tell you this is no big deal."

LOL!!! That is RICH!!!

You call sane people "conspiracy theorists" then you post all this conspiracy theory crap! LOL!! Classic.
This post is a keeper!


34 posted on 01/24/2007 3:57:47 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Hildy

Poor argument. I only wish you worried about being so just concerning other things.


35 posted on 01/24/2007 3:58:19 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: indylindy

Now you're making sense to me. ;-)

I agree the sentence was harsh and I did not like the immunity deal. I do hope they get a pardon but I also understand why they went to jail.


36 posted on 01/24/2007 3:59:53 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: indylindy
I only wish you worried about being so just concerning other things.

huh?

37 posted on 01/24/2007 4:00:12 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: T.L.Sink

Sounds like she wants to make sure her husband won't get a pardon.


38 posted on 01/24/2007 4:01:39 PM PST by PAR35
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To: T.L.Sink

Why does the media continue to declare the Congress was lost to Demonrats because of the war? i maintain that it was lost because of the INSANITY OF ALLOWING OPEN BORDERS IN THIS COUNTRY AT A TIME OF WAR!
Mr. President: Pardon those Border Agents!


39 posted on 01/24/2007 4:02:48 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: L98Fiero
They were wrong to cover it up. They deserve to lose their jobs... but 11 years is steep when no one died and they were pursuing a known criminal who was trafficking drugs into the United States.
40 posted on 01/24/2007 4:03:44 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: raybbr
Isn't deifying someone a sin?

It is. But you oughta direct your complaint to the worshippers themselves. I only report what I see around here.

41 posted on 01/24/2007 4:05:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Hildy

You know, your Rudy is pretty tough on criminals and Saudis that he knew were behind 9/11. Didn't take that Saudi dough. Much to his credit.


42 posted on 01/24/2007 4:06:01 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: L98Fiero

It's thrilling that I could bring a smile to your face. Have a nice day.


43 posted on 01/24/2007 4:06:33 PM PST by upchuck (Wanted: Conservatives to go read this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771175/posts)
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To: Revolting cat!

Sorry. I didn't know you were being sarcastic?????


44 posted on 01/24/2007 4:08:07 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: T.L.Sink
God help the honest men and women of the Border Patrol who want to do their duty.

I agree. God bless the HONEST men and women of the BP who want to do their duty. They certainly deserve our respect and our support.

45 posted on 01/24/2007 4:15:33 PM PST by Chena
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To: upchuck
Members of the Tenn. National Guard will be "honored" for showing restraint in this incident earlier this month.

AP: "Tennessee National Guard troops were approached by a group of armed men while on patrol along the Arizona-Mexico border earlier this month and withdrew without confrontation, according to a military report.

One armed man with the unidentified group came as close as 10 meters of the four Guardsmen on Jan. 3, according to an incident summary written by the National Guard Bureau.

But both groups kept their weapons low throughout the encounter, which ended as the Guardsmen pulled away, as officials said they were trained to do".

Yep, the Guardsmen, who are nothing more than a Safety Patrol, are trained not to shoot, but instead they should call the Border Patrol for backup...and of course, the BP shouldn't shoot either, cuz we know what can happen to them if they do...tsk, tsk.

sw

46 posted on 01/24/2007 4:37:44 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Issaquahking

"illegal alien murderers"

'Seems like they are OK with some on this forum.


47 posted on 01/24/2007 5:05:37 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: T.L.Sink
What I sat in the gallery and heard tonight," she said, "was a total sell-out of the United States of America to Mexico.

Well, I can't disagree with you there, lady, but consider this: maybe Mexico bid higher than al-Qa'eda....

[/bitter sarcasm]

48 posted on 01/24/2007 5:06:26 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just..." ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GunnyHartman

I'll be voting for him too and am working for him now. If you should ever want to make a contribution via the internet go to www.teamtancredo.com

If you want to keep abreast of the latest news go to his congressional website: www.house.gov/tancredo

Let me tell you why I think supporting or voting for him would not be wasting time or a vote. It has to do with the dynamics of the political process. First, one of Tom's objectives (win or lose) is to compete and force the phony candidates to be CLEAR about their position on the illegal invasion. We've all had more than enough of the "comprehensive plan" crap, which is code for amnesty.

Second, even if he loses he will have a tremendous impact on both parties if he garners millions of votes.They will read the handwriting on the wall and modify their own positions in his direction.

In other words, the disconnect between the party line and the wishes of the vast majority of Americans will be exposed.

I'm not saying that there aren't other Republicans who are right on the issue (Hunter,to cite one) but they've come aboard lately. Tom was the pioneer and prophet who foresaw the coming catastrophe first and courageously adhered to his principles when it was very unpopular.


49 posted on 01/24/2007 5:17:32 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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