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Big house a symbol of an American tragedy
The Boston Globe ^ | 1-28-07 | Beverly Beckham

Posted on 01/28/2007 11:48:56 AM PST by BronzePencil

It sits on top of a hill, overlooking a busy road -- a big, pink stucco house that dwarfs all the houses around it. It is conspicuous consumption at its worst, or at its best, depending on your point of view.

It's not the biggest house around. There are many bigger -- one just a few miles from where I live, not on top of a hill but practically on the offramp of a highway. So many smaller houses have been knocked down to make room for these Goliaths. This is called progress.

I don't understand who lives in these massive homes or who can afford them

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Typical liberal drivel. Everyone who lives in a big house should give away their money.
1 posted on 01/28/2007 11:49:00 AM PST by BronzePencil
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To: BronzePencil
Class envy for political purposes!
2 posted on 01/28/2007 11:54:17 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: BronzePencil

So what are we supposed to do with this information?


3 posted on 01/28/2007 11:54:36 AM PST by san juan
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To: BronzePencil
I wonder if this left-wing nut will complain about the Clintons mansion in Chappaqua, NY.

And what about Ho Chi Kerry's and the Kennedy's estates?

4 posted on 01/28/2007 11:54:59 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: BronzePencil

Mail this to John Edwards, c/o Two Americas, Chapel Hill, NC.


5 posted on 01/28/2007 11:55:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: BronzePencil

6 posted on 01/28/2007 11:56:03 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: BronzePencil

MILLIONS are living on the streets? The space aliens must have accidently dropped her in Mexico City when they were done probing.


7 posted on 01/28/2007 11:56:22 AM PST by Wage Slave (Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
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To: BronzePencil
They never interview the people in the small houses that got torn down. Because they would have been happy (eager) to make the sale of their old crappy house, and are living in much nicer dis now.)

Nor do they interview all the guys who worked to build that big house, and the prosperity it provided for their families.
8 posted on 01/28/2007 11:56:40 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: BronzePencil
"It's remarkable how little growth has trickled down to ordinary families," economist Paul Krugman wrote recently in The New York Times Magazine.
Drivel.
9 posted on 01/28/2007 11:57:28 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: BronzePencil

See http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774278/posts


10 posted on 01/28/2007 11:58:03 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: BronzePencil
My parents paid $10,000 for that house. It was 1954. The average cost of a home then was $10,250.

Welfare people would probably be insulted today if you expected them to live in that average 1954 house -- with one tiny bathroom, no color TV, a fridge that would fit inside today's fridges, a kitchen that would fit inside today's bathrooms.

There were always wealthy people who lived in pink houses on hilltops. Today there are lots more of them. And most everyone else is way better off -- economically -- then people were in 1954.

The real problem is moral decline -- among rich and poor.

11 posted on 01/28/2007 11:58:58 AM PST by AZLiberty (Tag to let -- 50 cents.)
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To: BronzePencil
I won't even address the topic of this stupid article, but there is something in there that should be addressed:

live in a town that has million-dollar houses. And yet our schoolchildren have to pay to ride the school bus, to play school sports, to participate in school plays, to play in the school band, to take part in any extracurricular activities. Our library might be forced to cut back its hours. This isn't unique to my town. It's happening across the state.

Instead of worrying what people do with their own money...journalists should start investigating what the government is doing with your money.

12 posted on 01/28/2007 11:59:27 AM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: Beverly Beckham

"I don't understand who lives in these massive homes or who can afford them"

Mostly the productive. But I'm guessing that still doesn't end your confusion.


13 posted on 01/28/2007 11:59:56 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: narses

Is that your place? Looks new.


14 posted on 01/28/2007 12:00:05 PM PST by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: Wage Slave

Nah, they took one look at her and passed on the "probing".


15 posted on 01/28/2007 12:00:05 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: BronzePencil

The Globe should call up Edwards and get a quote from him. I have nothing against big houses or people building/buying what they can afford, Edwards, however is just a typical liberal hypocrite.


16 posted on 01/28/2007 12:00:20 PM PST by rabidralph (Hoo-ray, Beer!)
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To: narses

It should be noted that that is John Edwards' house.


17 posted on 01/28/2007 12:00:54 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: BronzePencil

" My parents wouldn't make it today -- not without an education, not without family to help them. And that's the big difference between then and now. Then you could work hard and work your way up. Now, you can work hard your whole life and never get ahead."

I wonder if the author has thought about some other differences between her parent's and todays young couples trying to get ahead. I bet that her parents

a. Never bought anything on credit and if they did have an account with local merchants and the bill was paid weekly. And by local merchants I mean the grocer, butcher, hardware store and other necessary purchases not the big screen TV market.

b. Only went out to eat once every 6 months if that. If they did go it was to the local Italian or other mom and pop restaurant where a home style meal was enjoyed not a $50.00 a person nouvelle cusine travesty.

c. Went and bought new things without a second thought. They most likely darned socks, restiched hems, saved buttons, saved screws, nails, bolts, repaired, reused and refitted. Their favorite label for kid's clothing was
" HANDMEDOWN "

People can still work hard and get ahead, it happens every day in this Country. What is lacking is the self discipline that makes it possible. It is not the Government job to make sure you have the maturity and foresight to handle your finances. It sure as hell can not handle its own.


18 posted on 01/28/2007 12:01:47 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: BronzePencil

What nonsense. Then again, in highly taxed & regulated, liberal cities, I don't find a 'wealth gap' too surprising.


19 posted on 01/28/2007 12:02:39 PM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: narses

Is that the Edwards place?


20 posted on 01/28/2007 12:03:04 PM PST by billhilly
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To: BronzePencil

This is an environmental disaster. How many trees died to print this stupid article? If people can't afford the houses they live in, they will soon lose them.


21 posted on 01/28/2007 12:03:45 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: AZLiberty

The average yearly salary was $2,500 too. Funny how that never gets included in the equation.


22 posted on 01/28/2007 12:04:57 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am the Cat who Walks by Himself and all places are alike to me!)
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To: BronzePencil
live in a town that has million-dollar houses. And yet our schoolchildren have to pay to ride the school bus, to play school sports, to participate in school plays, to play in the school band, to take part in any extracurricular activities.

That's because you live in one of the most heavily taxed states in the east, you ignorant twit! You forget all the union and local government graft and kick-backs! What's the annual salary of a school janitor up there?? Last time I looked, NY's school janitors were earning close to $100K!

23 posted on 01/28/2007 12:05:11 PM PST by Humidston
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To: narses

That connection between the big house and the barn is the clumsiest thing I've ever seen. I can just imagine how the construction on it progressed: "I might get thirsty on the way back to the house so put a waterfountain in the hallway; no wait, put a refrigerator, er, a kitchen--eat-in kitchen down the hall. Hey, can you add a mud room too, mmm, and put the washer and dryer in there too so we don't hear it during our family time. Add a storage room just down from the mud room for our extra stuff that don't fit in the barn. Oh, attach the doghouses to the corridor so they can get in and out of the house without us opening the door. Thanks.


24 posted on 01/28/2007 12:05:11 PM PST by rabidralph (Hoo-ray, Beer!)
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To: BronzePencil

"If the Left obeyed the 10th Commandment, maybe they would learn to obey the 10th Amendment."


--rottndog


25 posted on 01/28/2007 12:05:15 PM PST by rottndog (While reading this tag, remember Tens of Thousands of Americans are risking their lives for you.)
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To: narses

That's a nice big house - when I grow up, I want a nice house like that!


26 posted on 01/28/2007 12:06:12 PM PST by Ken522
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To: narses

As Johnny Boy said in 2004, there are two Americas. There is the $600 million America of John Kerry, the kept Ketchup boy. And there is the $75 million America of John Edwards, the shyster lawyer.


27 posted on 01/28/2007 12:06:25 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: BronzePencil

John Edwards "Two Americas"


28 posted on 01/28/2007 12:07:04 PM PST by traumer
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To: BronzePencil
I don't understand who lives in these massive homes or who can afford them...

Uh, Beverly? You write for a newspaper, right? There's this thing called "research" that used to be popular for journalists before they committed word to page. If you don't understand who lives in them, why not...ask a few?

29 posted on 01/28/2007 12:07:32 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: BronzePencil

Hmm, no mention of the Kennedy compounds in MA and Florida.


30 posted on 01/28/2007 12:09:01 PM PST by ikka
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To: narses

Is it just me or are those 2 SUVs out front?

Along with three pickups on the side...lol.


31 posted on 01/28/2007 12:09:21 PM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: BronzePencil
I hate this kind of class envy but I hate something even worse. In El Dorado hills, it used to be a pretty exclusive quiet community and all of the houses looked different.

Then came this tract called, Serrano. ALL of the houses look like they were based on one plan yet they're called custom homes. The must go for around a million and they dot the hillside when you go through the area on highway 50. They are what the term McMansion was created for. Not only do they all look alike, they barely have enough room to get a lawnmower between the houses and yet the houses must have at least a 3000 sq foot floor plan.

Now the commute is longer and we have all of the pretentious people who think they live in Beverly Hills. They're ruined the landscape. Anyone who goes by on 50 knows what I'm talking about.

They should never have been approved as they stand now. They ruin the character of the community. The older houses look great because they all look different with different sized lots and different house designs.

32 posted on 01/28/2007 12:09:50 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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I love reading pieces like this in the Globe because the nameless target of their upper-middle-class guilt is probably a Democrat and assuredly a liberal.

Anybody know which charities this writer gave away all but a few thousand of her 2006 salary to?

33 posted on 01/28/2007 12:10:49 PM PST by Generic_Login_1787
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I bet the huge McMansion is owned by a liberal. Just a guess but going by some of the homes built and lived in by the Hollywood elite it sure fits.

I think it might be psychological. So unsure of their status and anxious that the whole world know of their importance and influence they build " look at me" houses. They wrongly mistake the scoffs of scorn at the tackiness of their ostentatiousness for gasps of admiration.

Conservative are self assured enough to avoid vulgar displays of wealth. Plus we give more of it away. Even without media presence.

And as any Southerner can tell you. The 11th commadment is: Thou shall not be tacky or trashy.


34 posted on 01/28/2007 12:11:14 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The GI bill was involved too. Lots of people took advantage of that to get ahead, and most of them earned the right. In 1956 my starting salary in the USAF was $78 monthly. I could have used the GI Bill, but did not.


35 posted on 01/28/2007 12:11:21 PM PST by billhilly
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To: lastchance
I am glad we live in a country where people can get ahead. However, there are many more ways to exhibit great character and refinement than to build a huge mansion. I don't like the class envy aspects of this article, though and the poor children brought in to make the rich feel guilty.

That being said, I despise conspicous consumption as much as I despise class envy politicians, such as two people living in a 5000 square house, etc. Also, rich building tastless houses that don't fit in the community, such as a "castle motif" mansion in a rustic neighborhood os modest country style homes, etc. Just goes to show that wealth cannot buy good taste.

Flame away if you like.

36 posted on 01/28/2007 12:12:21 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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This is surreal. What are people suppose to do be poor? Be forced to get a small house because down the street you have "working class people" and they only live in flats? What drives this weak envy. What do they want, everyone to be financially equal no matter what.

These are the forces that will 3rd worldize this great capitalist nation.
37 posted on 01/28/2007 12:12:36 PM PST by KingArthur305
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To: narses

Sheesh! What do the Edwards have against TREES??


38 posted on 01/28/2007 12:12:46 PM PST by Humidston
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To: BronzePencil
Typical liberal drivel. Everyone who lives in a big house should give away their money.

I do and I do. It's called property taxes (big time).

39 posted on 01/28/2007 12:14:48 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: BronzePencil

I have mixed feelings about this. I know of a neighborhood; older and quite lovely with large homes. A young couple (snots) moved in and bought one of the houses right on the lake (Lake Erie). They tore down the house and built a million dollar monstrosity. Now there are several people that had a nice view of the lake that can't see it anymore, plus it is totally out of place for the neighborhood. Those people have lost a lot of home value. The stupid thing is the young couple's house is so huge there is very little back lot and the ground is eroding so unless they do some serious engineering work, that house is going to tumble into Lake Erie in about 20 years or so.

I see both sides. They have the right to build but our rights as individuals should always take into consideration the prime commandment to love others as ourselves.


40 posted on 01/28/2007 12:15:13 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Wage Slave

"MILLIONS are living on the streets?"

Yeah, that's a howler all right.

At the same time, since I returned to the US in April after a long absence, I have been seeing the trends she's speaking of...or so it seems to me.

I in no way endorse class warfare or the redistribution of wealth. However, this article and another entitled "You Can't Afford a House in a Blue State" show that others also see this trend.

The last time I posted to this effect, knee-jerk posters absurdly and foolishly reviled me as a class-warfare leftist. I am nothing of the kind. However, I do begin to suspect that the free market is not being allowed to function as it should, and I think that is an appropriate topic for discussion.

Unfortunately, every time someone brings it up, he is immediately slimed by conservatives-acting-like-liberals (CALLs), as seen above.


41 posted on 01/28/2007 12:15:54 PM PST by dsc
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To: The_Media_never_lie

This is the point I made in my post on this thread. I say go ahead and build the mansion but don't put it in the middle of a modest development like some looming tower that prevents all sun from shining down on the little people.


42 posted on 01/28/2007 12:16:35 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: narses

It's ugly.


43 posted on 01/28/2007 12:16:56 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Cementjungle

"I do and I do. It's called property taxes (big time)."

Isn't it the truth.


44 posted on 01/28/2007 12:17:01 PM PST by billhilly
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To: narses

Boy, I'll bet John Edwards chased a lot of ambulances to earn this monstrosity.


45 posted on 01/28/2007 12:18:03 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: lastchance

b. $50! Where do you live? Here in Cleveland to eat in a really upscale restaurant it would cost you way more than that for 2 people - about double, if you don't have alcohol.


46 posted on 01/28/2007 12:18:23 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: narses
"It's remarkable how little growth has trickled down to ordinary families," economist Paul Krugman wrote recently in The New York Times Magazine.

Drivel.

Agreed.

Oh woe is me. I can barely afford the dog food to feed my family after I pay my cable, SUV, 27 credit cards, download tunes from iTunes, go to the movies, beer, buy things I don't really need, bills.

47 posted on 01/28/2007 12:19:17 PM PST by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: billhilly
Unlike the author I have no problem with that. :)

I wish for every one the level of success they desire and are willing to work for.

For some people that will mean a upscale apartment near all the trendy hot spots, for some that will mean a huge house with a speck of a yard and for some people that will mean a tiny house with a big yard. Whatever makes them happy.

My dream place about an acre with fruit trees and a garden and about 1,200 square feet of house.

48 posted on 01/28/2007 12:19:54 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am the Cat who Walks by Himself and all places are alike to me!)
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To: narses

How did you get that picture?


49 posted on 01/28/2007 12:20:14 PM PST by dsc
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To: The_Media_never_lie
That being said, I despise conspicous consumption as much as I despise class envy politicians, such as two people living in a 5000 square house, etc. Also, rich building tastless houses that don't fit in the community, such as a "castle motif" mansion in a rustic neighborhood os modest country style homes, etc. Just goes to show that wealth cannot buy good taste.

Flame away if you like.

No, it sounds pretty tacky to me. Military Road, in the Chevy Chase portion of D.C., is a great example of this: one housing style after another, all proudly maintained as if the surrounding houses were the ones that got it all wrong. You can guess what political persuasion the majority of those homeowners are.

As to the point of yours I didn't quote, I too am suspicious of anyone who has big plans for my money.

50 posted on 01/28/2007 12:20:14 PM PST by Generic_Login_1787
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