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ABC Asks Tornado-Struck Pastor: 'How Do You Reconcile Your Faith With This Tragedy?'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 02/04/2007 6:11:16 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

For the MSM, there's nothing like the occasion of a natural disaster to challenge the faith of religious believers.

On today's Good Morning America, Kate Snow interviewed the Rev. Larry Lynn, Pastor of the Lady Lake Church of God, whose buildings were totally levelled by the tornadoes that recently struck central Florida.

A minute or so into the interview, Snow asked a question that challenged the core of the pastor's religious belief: "How do you reconcile your faith with the enormity of this tragedy?"

Pastor Lynn answered in a manner consistent with the most basic Christian principles: "This is just a temporal thing. We deal in the eternal. Temporal things change on a daily basis. I don't know what today might bring, but I'm prepared for it. I don't know what tomorrow might bring, but I'm prepared for it, because I know who holds tomorrow. My confidence is not in the things of this world, but in He who sits on the throne and in his son, Jesus Christ."

Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abcdisney; antichristian; atheistmedia; boycottdisney; disneynews; katesnow; relgiousbashing; religion; tauntingjeer; tornadoes; waltsrotatingcorpse; whereisyourgodnow
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Everyone from Job to concentration camp survivors have pondered the same question. There is comfort in the answers.


51 posted on 02/04/2007 7:01:51 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"You're just in a bad mood because it's Super Sunday and the Browns are nowhere ;-)"

I'm long since over that! There hasn't been professional football in Cleveland since 1995. See there you go, now you have me hijacking your thread! :P


52 posted on 02/04/2007 7:01:57 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan

I know some folks who are still sticking pins in Art Model dolls.


53 posted on 02/04/2007 7:04:06 AM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I noted the order in which the pastor put things. To me, the first thing in order should have been that his beliefs prepared him well for whatever circumstances should have to be met. And I noted that his first idea expressed was that these were temporary (temporal) circumstances, and therefore by implication, not important in the big picture. Eternity.

Well, that is not so. The big picture is keyed upon all our reaction to all these little challenges we have in life, including the occasioned big calamity.

In a way it is those challenges that are the best of blessings, for while the other daily and lifetime blessings of comfort and sustenance, discernment, strength, etc. are well appreciated and vital to ask for -- it is the life's challenges that are the honor. The honor of responsibility and challenge that a parent gives a child who has earned that level of trust.

54 posted on 02/04/2007 7:04:54 AM PST by bvw
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To: Mr J
Wouldn't a kind, just, loving God spare his worshippers the agonizing tedium of the so-called news broadcast on television?"

That is why He gave us the Off switch.

55 posted on 02/04/2007 7:06:46 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am the Cat who Walks by Himself and all places are alike to me!)
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To: Rumplemeyer

"...maybe she was looking for him to give a positive message and some reason to the others effected by this."

I wish that were true, but I'm afraid it's giving her the benefit of a considerable doubt. The question sounded to me like she was toeing the party line and trying to get people to question their faith, or worse, blame God for the tragedy. Typically ABC.

The Pastor's answer was very good; but I would have loved a touch of sarcasm if he could have managed it in the circumstances.


56 posted on 02/04/2007 7:07:00 AM PST by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: bvw
"Therefore, I say unto you, take no thought for your life, what you shall eat; neither for the body, what you shall put on. The life is more than meat and the body is more than raiment. Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn: and God feedeth them: How much more are you better than the fowls?

And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If you then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take you thought for the rest?

Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass which is today in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will He clothe you, 0 you of little faith? And seek not you what you shall eat, or what you shall drink, neither be you of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that you have need of these things. But rather seek you the kingdom of God: and all these things shall be added unto you."

I'm sure that, in some context, your point could be valid but it seems to me that the pastor was spot on.

57 posted on 02/04/2007 7:09:19 AM PST by Can i say that here?
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
My confidence is not in the things of this world, but in He who sits on the throne and in his son, Jesus Christ.

I love this--- some network reporter tries to put a pastor on the spot and instead the pastor gets some free airtime to declare the true meaning of christianity to the whole world. It looks to me like god put the perfect words in his mouth!

58 posted on 02/04/2007 7:09:32 AM PST by lawgirl (She comes on like thunder and she's more right than rain)
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To: Cheburashka
But that was not the intention of the interviewer.

I love how Newsbusters and a bunch of Freepers are able to read reporters' minds and find evil intentions in the most benign actions.

The reporter lobbed a softball question. Anyone who can't answer it has no business being a pastor. I realize that the folks at NewsBusters feel like they have to find something to post every day, and that sometimes leaving them really stretching to find a daily outrage. This is such a case.

59 posted on 02/04/2007 7:10:42 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

I agree, but only partially. It's not a softball question. It's a very basic and important question.


60 posted on 02/04/2007 7:12:30 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I just noted on Fox News (news for thinking people) that this church is having Sunday services in the parking lot...their faith is stronger that some media bimbo might think.

Almost 60 years ago my grandmother was one of six people killed in a Palm Sunday gas explosion at my home town church and I can say with certainty than no one in that community was ever asked to reconcile their faith with the enormity of the tragedy.

61 posted on 02/04/2007 7:12:42 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Farmer Dean

"I know some folks who are still sticking pins in Art Model dolls."

Ok, you're going to get me going... actually, in a weird way, I thank Art. Pro football is nothing more than a business. Art taught many of us in the area that lesson. I used to live and die with the Browns. If that were true now, I'd be 6 feet under, they stink so bad.
The Browns won't ever recover until the current billion dollar baby owner who is disinterested in football, sells the team. In the meantime, the Browns are directionless, and doomed to be the Arizona Cardinals of the AFC, (constantly, terminally bad).
I think Art was incompetent, (the 80s successes had more to do with the WFL folding and grabbing key players than any organizational skill). I don't completely blame Art. Mike White had as much to do with it as Art did. But, it's just a business.
I still love football, and fortunately, college and high school teams don't move. :)


62 posted on 02/04/2007 7:14:04 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: smith288
I would ask the chick how she reconciles her communism with such high priced clothing.

oooh, good one

63 posted on 02/04/2007 7:16:45 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: bvw
"And I noted that his first idea expressed was that these were temporary (temporal) circumstances, and therefore by implication, not important in the big picture."

"Temporary" means of a limited time.

"Temporal" means of the material world.

"This is just a material thing. We deal in the eternal. Material things change on a daily basis."

64 posted on 02/04/2007 7:18:04 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: bvw
Well, that is not so. The big picture is keyed upon all our reaction to all these little challenges we have in life, including the occasioned big calamity.

You can't "earn" your way into heaven via your actions on Earth. The big picture is not "keyed upon all our reaction to challenges in life." The big picture is that Jesus died to save your soul, and all you have to do is accept his gift of eternal life. The pastor was spot on with his response.

65 posted on 02/04/2007 7:20:17 AM PST by highimpact
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To: smith288

Good Sunday morning laugh!!

Thanks.


66 posted on 02/04/2007 7:25:05 AM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Behind Liberal Lines
City of Evil! alert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Snow

Kate Snow-Breault is a co-anchor of Good Morning America Weekend Edition on ABC. She became co-anchor in 2004. Snow also frequently appears on the weekday Good Morning America and World News with Charles Gibson as a fill-in anchor or correspondent.

A native of Burnt Hills, Saratoga County, New York, Snow is a 1991 graduate of Cornell, where she was a member of Kappa Alpha Theta and a newscaster on WVBR, and holds a Masters in Foreign Service from the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University.

Snow joined ABC in 2003 as Good Morning America's White House reporter before she was tapped to co-host the morning show's weekend edition. She had worked previously at NPR and NBC Radio, and also worked as a reporter at KOAT-TV from 1995-1998 and at CNN from 1998-2003. Snow is married to Chris Breault and they have a daughter named Abigail and a son named Zachary.

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1991 grad makes her about a 1986 high school grad, which makes her born around 1968. 2006 - 1968 = ~38 years old, which points to severe damage by the publik hi skool sistum, followed by toxic exposure to the City of Evil.

67 posted on 02/04/2007 7:25:35 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; bvw
He did not say "temporary," he said "temporal", meaning of this world, not of the eternal.

LOL! The good pastor no doubt said that to short out her tiny little Cornell-ejikated "brain" at the first opportunity.

I can just see her eyes glazing over: "Waa-waa, waa-waa waa waa."

68 posted on 02/04/2007 7:32:04 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: mariabush
I suspect that you are entirely correct. Even a good many that call themselves Christians don't have a clue as to what 'real' faith is.

...and of course you do? Maybe God "spoke" to her to ask the question. You know the heart of Kate Snow?...no I don't think so.

69 posted on 02/04/2007 7:34:27 AM PST by steelwheels
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Lost his farm and lost his family;
Lost the wheat and lost his home.
But he found the family Bible
Faith as solid as a stone".

-- Matthew, John Denver

70 posted on 02/04/2007 7:34:28 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
You maybe correct, I did not hear the conversation, I read it here on FR.

I hear this question every time an event such as this occurs, the pastors answer is a very good one.
71 posted on 02/04/2007 7:35:39 AM PST by Rumplemeyer
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To: msnimje
I don't get this bigoted line of questioning

The question is as old as time. The interesting thing is that news-chickies are so ignorant, they think it is somehow original and worth asking.

72 posted on 02/04/2007 7:41:27 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: steelwheels


73 posted on 02/04/2007 7:45:07 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Zack Nguyen

Spafford wrote this hymn after he was ruined financially in the Chicago fire and his four daughters drowned crossing the Atlantic. It is one of my favorite hymns.

IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL
Ho­ra­tio G. Spaf­ford, 1873.

Music: Phil­ip P. Bliss, 1876



When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

Refrain

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blest assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

Refrain

My sin, oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!

Refrain

For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
If Jordan above me shall roll,
No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life
Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.

Refrain

But, Lord, ‘tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
Oh trump of the angel! Oh voice of the Lord!
Blessèd hope, blessèd rest of my soul!

Refrain

And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul.

Refrain


74 posted on 02/04/2007 7:48:11 AM PST by exhaustguy
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To: ReignOfError
I'm sure this interviewer seeks out at least one person every two weeks to ask serious questions about their religious faith. And broadcasts it for the education of her viewers.

Uh-huh.

I also believe in Tinker Belle and Peter Pan.

If it was a softball question it is because of how little thought the interviewer has given to such questions.

If you believe the Drive-by Media is agendaless, well, good luck to you.
75 posted on 02/04/2007 8:22:02 AM PST by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The interesting thing is that news-chickies are so ignorant, they think it is somehow original and worth asking.

As a youngster we were told that newspapers where written at a 12 year old level of comprehension.

As an adult it appears today "reporters" have the mind of a 10 year old.

76 posted on 02/04/2007 8:27:09 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Dog Gone
The question is valid, and each person of faith must come to his or her own answer.

But I'm not foolish enough to believe my enemies are trying to help me by asking the question. And the Drive-by Media is most assuredly my enemy and the enemy of everything I believe, in religious and in other areas of life.
77 posted on 02/04/2007 8:27:18 AM PST by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: smith288

I would ask the chick how she reconciles her communism with such high priced clothing.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Down the Animal Farm, this Barbie Doll gets to sleep in the Farmer's House. The rest get the barn. ( if lucky)


78 posted on 02/04/2007 8:33:17 AM PST by wintertime
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To: 11th Commandment
The amusing thing...is that if you had a local channel 4 news team...they would have asked the right questions. What you see from these national media correspondents...is a loss of character and inability to be part of the community. These people attempt to live lives without any social or communal attachment. They look foolish on TV...and likely live very shallow lives. If you asked them for any life advice...you'd just be talking to a tree.
79 posted on 02/04/2007 8:39:12 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: lawgirl

...be always ready to give a defense of your faith...in
season, and out of season...
He gave the basics of the gospels except for the "repent"
part...
Maybe Kate, in her world of inquiry, concern and
reportage, could have been affected by his comments
-only God knows.


80 posted on 02/04/2007 8:40:58 AM PST by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: Rumplemeyer
I agree, maybe she was looking for him to give a positive message and some reason to the others effected by this.

I have heard the same type of questions after these type of events, "why did God allow this", the pastor put it in perspective.

I'm more familiar with the exploitive tv reporter standing over someone crying about losing their family, their home, etc. being asked "How do you feel now? Can you tell me what you are feeling?" A few will respond with outrage over being asked such an indelicate question.

Sometimes there is even an agenda behind it, as when they ask to interview the families (wives/parents) of fallen soldiers "for the local angle" and then drop the 10pm interview of same family when they don't lash out at the Bush administration and the war (some have called in to radio later to complain, as it isn't "all" of the families being dropped from the later broadcast, just those who didn't answer correctly).

81 posted on 02/04/2007 8:45:06 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

82 posted on 02/04/2007 8:45:09 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
We're an action forum. I wish someone could get this thread to the reporterette for her edification. I don't know how, unfortunately.

Tragic weather upheavals are temporal things, faith is eternal. It's what gets you mentally and physically through tough events.

"On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is shifting sand"

Leni

83 posted on 02/04/2007 8:46:01 AM PST by MinuteGal (The Left takes power only through deception.)
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To: atomicpossum

Who ever said that 'become a Christian, nothing bad will ever happen to you?'

Unfortunately, a lot of TV "religion" hucksters say just that.
Then there are the ones who say if things like this happen to you, your faith just isn't strong enough.

It is often our own (those who claim to represent Christians on TV, whether they are truly Christian or not can be debated) that do us the most damage.


84 posted on 02/04/2007 8:47:03 AM PST by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Lancey Howard

lol


85 posted on 02/04/2007 8:48:16 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: mariabush
Real faith is dealing with the loss of a daughter in 2004, and since that time, a brother, husband, bil, mom and 12 cousins. I know who holds tomorrow and it ain't me! My brother died in May last year, my husband on July 8, my bil on Jul 30, and my mom on 6 Jan 2007. I know God is in control and HE knows what He is doing.
86 posted on 02/04/2007 8:52:48 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: MamaB

I am so sorry that you have been hit so hard!

My own husband has stage four cancer, I am having to face a trying time myself. If I did not have the Lord to lean on, there is just no way that I could make it.


87 posted on 02/04/2007 9:01:37 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Cheburashka
I think it's an age old question.

If there is a God, why does (fill in the blank) happen?

88 posted on 02/04/2007 9:08:10 AM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: Scarchin
You are the first one here to speak what my thoughts were. Yes, the question was very secular but maybe the Holy Spirit brought it up so as the Minister would relay the meaning of "faith" to a large audience.
89 posted on 02/04/2007 9:11:02 AM PST by fish hawk (Silence is often misinterpreted but never misquoted.)
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To: highimpact
You can and must earn your way in. Why do you think the world, as it is, exists?

Let me get back to the Dad and Mom. They devote their lives to you, build a marriage and a home for you, feed you, educate you, clothe you, comfort you, each day passes with their concerns and worries and aggravations on your behalf -- the grey hairs that come from each of your mistakes and *you* claim it all is for nothing? That you can run away, be rebellious, ruin your own room, wreck the car, have rotten friends over a party that destroys the house and the family's reputation but that as long as you just "accept" that they are your parents -- you are redeemed??!!

You must live in bizzarro world.

In the world we all live in, there is justice and mercy both. There is testing and redemption. Your own inner personal acceptance of what your parents are for all that parenthood properly is is only one step -- and not even necessary if you still *perform* all the necessary duties to yoru parents and to yourself on their behalf. I mean, they are your parents, no matter whatever foolish notions you may get that they are not, or that you are somehow completely independent of them.

The Ten Commandments make a clear delegation of that duty and responsibility a man has to G-d, to one's own parents. When we consider the proper role of child to parents, and the relationships between them, we are considering the relationship between man and G-d.

We wold never say, I hope, that the best part of our relationships to our Parents will be at some future, eternal, time, after we both are dead and purely spiritual beings, if by so doing we shirk our proper duties to them today in the real world.

And that's the way it is between G-d and us. The "today" is here for reason, and is not to be made trivial, scorned, ignored or denied for the sake of some "oh we believe!" Eternity. For when that "Eternity" is entered it will be entered with much less of you than could have been had, had the world and what happens in it been met like a man of good family and parents and not as a bastard victim, bastard by choice of completely denying that his Father built a house -- in the physical world too -- for him.

90 posted on 02/04/2007 9:11:50 AM PST by bvw
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To: mariabush
I am sorry about your husband. Mine was told he had liver cancer about April and it was 8"x5"x5" and he died on Jul 8. My mom would have been 103 on Apr 26th and she was more than ready to go home. In fact, she had been singing a song about Going Home for about 5 years. We will miss all of them.
91 posted on 02/04/2007 9:17:32 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
She learned her lessons well in the City of Evil:

Profiles in Class Warfare: Kate Snow Flashes $20 to Demagogue Tax Cut, a May 11, 2006 blog article by some guy named "Finkelstein".

92 posted on 02/04/2007 9:20:09 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: exhaustguy

One of my favorites as well!!


93 posted on 02/04/2007 9:21:05 AM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It's probably the first and most common question. All religions deal with it. Unfortunately for the sound-bite lady, it is not the kind of question that can be directly answered in words to most who watch TV.


94 posted on 02/04/2007 9:27:11 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: bvw
You can and must earn your way in.

I'm sorry you feel that way, because you cannot and will not "earn" your way to heaven. No human being can live up to the standards set by Jesus. No human being, before or after Jesus Christ walked the Earth, has lived a life free of sin. You, by virtue of being human, have already broken most (if not all) of the ten commandments. Your only path to heaven is a personal relationship with Jesus, and your acceptance of Him as your savior.

95 posted on 02/04/2007 9:27:54 AM PST by highimpact
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To: smith288

Engles of Marx/Engles was wealthy and retired early due to total business success and supported Marx and also did the heavy writing. Marx was creative but couldn't write coherently. Learned that on The Rest of the Story.


96 posted on 02/04/2007 9:29:29 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: MamaB

Wow! 103 That is a long time in this old world.


97 posted on 02/04/2007 9:39:30 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
A minute or so into the interview, Snow asked a question that challenged the core of the pastor's religious belief: "How do you reconcile your faith with the enormity of this tragedy?"

What answer was the interviewer expecting? "Yes, I was so wrong. God led me astray - I should have listened to Al Gore. From now on, I will adopt the True Faith of Global Warming, and Saint Albert will be my divine guardian." ;)

98 posted on 02/04/2007 9:42:37 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: mariabush

I think she thought that when she turned 90. She only had one sister left out of a large family, she had lost her husband, a daughter and a son, a grandson and a granddaughter and a great grandson. She always said if you can not say anything good about a person, then do not say a word. She influenced many, many people during her lifetime. Everyone loved her.


99 posted on 02/04/2007 9:44:19 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: exhaustguy

Thank you. I have always been amazed at that story, and the faith that attends it. It is also one of my favorite hymns.


100 posted on 02/04/2007 10:02:07 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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