Skip to comments.Hi-point Firearms - opinions?
Posted on 02/05/2007 7:46:47 PM PST by Bat_Chemist
So I'm looking over the web for a new handgun (the only one we own is my wife's 9-shot .22, a pretty little piece, but not much for home defense). I came across the website for Hipoint firearms, makers of "polymer frame" handguns, and I thought, "Wouldn't that be really unstable and fragile?" I wanted to get the opinions of the "strangers I trust" here at FR before I actually go drop a couple hundred there. And that's the other thing...these guns are American made and inexpensive. Are they too good to be true?
Well, since it is home defense, you are not constrained that much by size or weight. A shotgun would do well. As for the plastics- i don't believe in them. good old 1911, all steel.
Well, they're better than Lorcins or ravens...
Hi-points aren't all that good. The only weapon of theirs that people seem to like is their pistol-caliber carbine. The pistols are heavy, ungainly weapons with a blowback design. It means that the recoil can be quite uncomfortable.
If you are looking for a lower-cost, decent self-defense pistol look at a Ruger or quality used revolver.
The polymer frame isn't necessarily a bad thing - the Glocks and the Springfield XDs, among other models, use polymer frames.
Having said that, I've never owned a Hipoint, but I've read some reviews of them. Some people like them, but the majority of folks around here will probably tell you to avoid them.
....I'm partial to the Rugers myself....Never fired the Brownings but I've heard they are fine firearms.....usually depends on the grip....I would try out several makes to see which feels best in your hand as some are bulkier then others....
Go the The High Road a very good firearms site. I think they consider them junk and would not buy one. A Bursa is a cheap handgun in .380 that alot of people think is good. Check out the site. Just let them know you are a newbie. People there are nice mostly. There is a hangun forum there.
I would recommend a revolver. When I go out go shoot I much prefer a semi-auto pistol, but I have a revolver on me at all times, as does my wife. When you need them they work.
I own a number of firearms. While almost all of my firearms are semis, I keep a double action .357 (SP-101) loaded for home protection and carry. No safety, no chambering, just point and shoot.
For effect, I have a Crimson Trace laser sight on it that has the on switch by the normal resting place for my thumb. While I don't practice with the laser, it does get plenty of attention at the range and does hit right on the illumination. Can you imagine the pucker factor on a bad guy.
Additionally, we typically keep a Mossberg 500 with 18" barrel, full stock and 3" 4-buck loaded. This is not chambered. Again this is pucker factor when it round is racked.
Amen. They are also very simple, no safety or other lever to manipulate in a high stress situation.
IMO, don't waste your money on a Hi-Point.
Save up and buy a quality gun from Colt, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, Glock or even a Kimber if you can afford it.
You'll never regret the better quality, and any one of them will last you the rest of your life.
My 9mm HiPoint was my first handgun. I also own a 7mm Ruger bolt action and a AK-47. I go shooting a couple of times a year. I wouldn't mind getting a nicer handgun, but I haven't regretted buying the HiPoint...and it was very cheap. I had the dealer put a laser site on it. My wife and have shot it and I've told her just put the red dot on any intruder...
I motified my 500 with the five round magazine so it will hold nine Aquila mini-shells in the mag and one in the chamber. That increases the capacity to ten. The modification doesn't effect the normal capacity.
Polymer does not mean fragile. That said, until I know more abut HiPoint, my impression is that that they're a fly-by-by-night shop selling cheap crap. I could be proven wrong. First impression.
"Made in USA" is not a guarantor of quality. If you've never heard of Intratec, look them up; their products were, from the beginning, craptacular. Actually, the worst guns available in the US are domestic, because the import restrictions are more stringent than those for domestic sale. You can, and many do, buy a weapon from Lentana that would be illegal to import from Beijing.
I've shot Glock, H & K, Springfield, Colt, Walther, Enfield, Winchester, S & W several times. I shot a Tec-9 once before I decided it was a piece of s--t not worth the effort. It was incredibly awful, and if I had to use it against an unarmed assailant, I still think I'd be more likely to die than he would. They're that bad.
Firearms are one area where it's still pretty much true that what you get is what you pay for. It's not a place to count pennies, It is not the place to skimp.
Taurus isn't bad for a less costly revolver. Neither is Charter Arms.
Shooting Times Review of Hi-Point Pistols:
Gun Week Review of Hi-Point Carbines:
Another Hi-Point Carbine Review:
I have had Lasergrips on my revolvers for about 5 years now. I bought them for my son and daughter when I got them their revolvers and CCW permits. We all really like them and they make it possible to shoot and hit more quickly.
I think of a good firearm as an investment. With any good quality firearm, the value either goes up or stays the same. That's not true of the cheaper firearms such as a HiPoint. One way or another, you'll waste your money.
Get a combat shotgun with an 18" barrel and an extended magazine. If you're the shooter, 12 gage pump or semi-auto. If the wife shoots it too, 20 ga., semi-auto. NEF makes some sweet home defense 12 ga. pumps for under $300 [maybe less than $200].
I'm not a bang-lister, but I have an opinion. I have never used Hi-Point firearms, but most reviews and opinions I have read are negative.
Folks in the know suggested to me when I first started shooting that I visit a range that allows visitors to rent firearms. You could try several in one day to get an idea of what you may be interested in. Perhaps see if there is one in your vacinity.
Also, you can get a nice high quality used pistol from a reputable gun shop. Sigs and Glocks are great and are far less expensive refurbished. Smith and Wesson makes good revolvers, but their only good semi-auto is the new M&P from what I have heard. It doesn't hurt to look. A 1911 may be out of your price range if you are looking to keep cost down.
Also, there are buyer's guides in most magazine sections. Massad Ayoob is a great resource for firearm information, as well. And websites such as Glock Talk and Packing.org are full of info, too.
In my concealed carry class, the instructor said NEVER use rifles or shotguns for home defense. Studies show the long barrel is a huge disadvantage in a dark home. Intruders can and have grabbed the long barrels and turned the tables on the homeowner.
And, even with a pistol, hold it close to your body, not stiff-armed outward.
And, with pistols, you get what you pay for. Any name brand gun that you feel comfortable with should be a very good investment.
If you want a good home defense rifle you can't beat an SKS for about $200.
I'm sure you can pick up a good 12 ga. pump for that price.
Respectfully, I must disagree. I am able to afford an array of firearms, but to anyone on a budget, consider that SHooting Times gave the HiPoint .40 and the HiPoint .45 what amount to near glowing approval.
Sure, if you shoot 50 to 250 rounds a week, there may be a longevity problem with the HiPoint - may, I said. But that is meaningless for the home defense buyer who shoots a few boxes a year. Cost and time make this the case for most Americans.
Let's look at the $500 level. One can buy about three .45 HiPoints versus one "high end" pistol. In terms of home defense, three guns at strategic in ones home is better than one pistol.
Lastly, read the Shooting Times review and note what it says about the "shootability" of the HiPoint pistols.
While I enjoy fine firearms, I also recognize that for many Americans, the HiPoint makes more sense.
I have a highpoint 9mm. for anyone on a budget looking for home protection with more stopping power than the .22, the high point is a good option. the company is right up the road from me here in Ohio and has been around for a long time. The gun has never failed me, but I don't put a ton of rounds through it either. another option is the Smith and Wesson sigma series. I have the .40 S&W and it only ran me around $300. When shopping I asked the counter guy at a reputablesport shop what the difference between the S&W and the Glock and Springfield XD were. He explained that the more expensive guns were approx. 60,000 round guns and the S&W was a 40k gun.
Your instructor was an idiot.
Better an inexpensive gun than no gun at all. Normally I'd recommend a pre-owned gun, but if one isn't all the familiar with firearms, you can waste money that way as well.
Other, slightly less expensive choices are EAA Witness, in steel, or polymer and steel, Taurus (both revolvers and semi-autos).
But for the most bang for the buck, a 12 gauge shotgun can't be beat. I have a Maverick (by Mossberg) but that was purchased at time of monetary distress, if I had it to do again, I'd get the Mossberg, but the only major difference is the action bars and the safety. (Mossberg has thumb safety, Maverick a cross bolt type, both work fine, Brownings also use the thumb type, Remington and others the cross bolt)
A Maverick can be had for less than $200, new. The Mossberg for more like $260.
The nice thing about the shotguns is that with a second barrel you can have a multipurpose gun, for hunting, trap, skeet, sporting clays, etc.
Mossberg 500 Special Purpose, 18.5" 6 Shot
Maverick 88 6-Shot Security
As you can see, very similar, and the prices I gave might be a little high.
While the do sell cheap guns, they aren't fly by night, they have been around at least 20 years. They just fill a particular niche, for those who want a gun, don't have much money, but aren't that interested in them, and isn't intending on practicing much (Not Smart!).
In the case of the HiPoint, a cheap gun is worse than no gun - because it has a very high chance of not going "bang" when you need it to, as many people have found.
I'd mention the Hungarian and Argentinian copies of the Browning High Power as being good candidates - and they can be had at roughly the same prices as the HiPoints. Other options include Makarovs from the former Soviet Union and Eastern Block.
Names to avoid in pistols: Jennings, Bryco, HiPoint, Norinco.
Muzzle flash=Pucker factor.
If you need a home defense handgun, get a revolver. Smith and Wesson, Taurus, or Charger Arms will get you a good one.
If you do not want to restrict yourself to a handgun, and I wouldn't, go for a shotgun. What ever kind of shotgun you may get, buy number 1 shot, which will put the maximum number of projectiles all the way to the back of the bad guy. That is 25 each .30 caliber projectiles for a 3 inch magnum in 12 gauge. Just about as good as a whole magazine from a M-16. 16 projectiles from a 2 and 3/4 inch round.
Some like pumps. I would avoid automatics because they have to be tuned to work reliably. I prefer doubles, with double triggers because you have two chances for something to work. And no, you don't owe him a warning 'shuck shuck' sound. Use your voice.
A few things:
1) Go with something that you'll enjoy shooting at the range and that won't beat up your hand, arm and senses.
2) If you think about warranties and repair, you should stay with the big manufacturers such as Glock, S&W, Ruger, etc. which stand behind their handguns and make getting repairs relatively easy.
3) I've recently fired a friend's Kimber .45 1911, my wife's S&W .357 revolver 3" barrel and my Taurus .357 tracker revolver 4" barrel. The Kimber was the most accurate and the easiest and most fun to shoot. The Taurus next and the S&W last. A friend has a Glock 19 (9mm) which she loves and shoots very well with and our NRA instructor has a Glock 22 (.40)which he shoots competitively and uses as his primary defensive weapon. He said that Glocks just do not break down when properly cleaned and maintained and the others tend to be nearly indestructible as well.
Essentiually, you want something that will be there if you ever need to save your life or the life of a loved one. You want something that will be accurate, reliable and fun to shoot. This does not come inexpensively especially for a tool that you may have to stake your life on and I would recommend that since this may be the only other gun you get, pay the money for either a Glock or a Kimber or one of similar quality.
Another thing you should definitely consider is contacting the NRA and taking their basic practical handgun course which is offered nationwide by NRA certified instructors.
I'm certain that others will have other recommendations and critiques of my recommendations but it's an important choice and should be given a lot of thought.
Here's more info than you probably want. Have fun
These things are junk. Very unreliable and I would not consider this brand for any scenario unless there was absolutely no other choice.
It beats throwing bullets by hand and that is the only positive thing I can say as a LEO, firearms instructor, and armorer.
1. Ruger's a good value for money.
2. If you're not going to practice much, a revolver may be a better choice than a semi-auto.
3. For home defense, a Remington 850 12 gauge is excellent.
4. Personally, I like the Sig 220 in .45 - but it's rather pricey.
Here is a forum where owners of Hipoint talk about their guns. Lots of good info here.
Give a hi-point .45 auto a try. My son has two...one for each hand. He swears by their accuracy. Price: $150.00 ea.
The point and click revolver interface is superb for a new shooter. A 357 revolver will also shoot .38 special cartridges, which are a little softer in recoil.
Practice a two handed shooting grip with the gun held close to your stomach; not arms extended out. It keeps the gun more secure and also prevents you from shooting your extended left hand with the gun in your right hand.....
Maybe if the hand holding it belongs to a nancee boy.
I keep mine under my mattress. :-)
I agree, lots of good info.
Haven't fired mine yet, but it sounds like seating the cartridges in the magazine properly with the first tilted up solves virtually all the problems.
Sure glad I read that before taking mine out to the range. Thanks!
I tend to agree with you. Especially the HiPoint. My son bought one and it was a piece of junk. They wouldn't make things right with him either. Although, he only had it a couple months.
My advice on a good home protection weapon is a shotgun or a quality .357 revolver. .38s are a little light but you also don't need a weapon that can kill through 2 walls either.
The carbine is a neat-looking thing, but won't do for CCW...
I appreciate the reply. And congrats to your Gators (from a 'Nole fan who was rooting for you).
Did you check their site? They're very inexpensive.