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Pelosi Seeks Upgrade for Plane (ABC Mincing Facts over Pelosi Plamegate)
ABC News ^ | Feb 8, 2007 | JAKE TAPPER

Posted on 02/08/2007 5:04:11 PM PST by bamahead

WASHINGTON, Feb. 8, 2007 — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., today responded to Republican critics who have accused her of making unreasonable demands on the Pentagon for a luxurious airplane her Republican predecessor never requested.

Pelosi charged that the Pentagon is treating her request for a military plane differently than that of her predecessor because she is a woman.

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But while the C-20 could fly to Hastert's Aurora, Ill., district, which is slightly more than 700 miles from Washington, D.C., without stopping to refuel, Pelosi's home district is in San Francisco, more than 2,800 miles from the nation's capital, and the C-20 generally would need to stop and refuel to make it all the way to the Bay Area. So Pelosi requested a plane that could make it to California without having to stop along the way, and asked for clarification from the Pentagon about whether friends and colleagues could accompany her.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: broomstickone; pelosi; piglosi; planegate; tunagate
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Okay FReepers help me out here. ABC is saying a C-20 can't make it to San Fran and back, yet here earlier today, and other sites around the net, I have seen spec sheets on it stating that it can, such as this one:

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=87

Range: C-20B, 3,698 nautical miles, C-20H, 4,220 nautical miles Distance to S.F. - ~2,500 nautical miles

So, is ABC mincing facts? Blatantly lying? Or do I have my aircraft confused?

1 posted on 02/08/2007 5:04:13 PM PST by bamahead
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To: bamahead

Yes, the MSM is right on this one, splashing as much white-wash spin on it as they can -- again we thank the voters that made all this possible.


2 posted on 02/08/2007 5:06:25 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: bamahead

It can make it to China if it refuels.


3 posted on 02/08/2007 5:06:54 PM PST by plain talk
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To: bamahead
Pelosi charged that the Pentagon is treating her request for a military plane differently than that of her predecessor because she is a woman.

She is being treated differently than her predecessor because she in a bi^#h and a member of the Democrat Party.

4 posted on 02/08/2007 5:07:40 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: bamahead

Pelosi:


It's my airplane
And I'll fly if I want to
Cry if I want to
Fly if I want to

You would cry too
If they did it to you....


5 posted on 02/08/2007 5:07:46 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: bamahead

Maybe the C20 can't make the distance to San Francisco carrying the dead weight of her staff and relatives.


6 posted on 02/08/2007 5:08:35 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: bamahead

A guy called in on the local talker a few minutes ago about this same thing. Stated the same numbers you posted here. And, he said that these figures allow for a head wind.


7 posted on 02/08/2007 5:08:53 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: bamahead
Well, A G3 can do the trip with no problem. Well within its range so unless someone got their facts wrong about the type that Hastert used, this is total BS. She wants the 757 for the photo ops and her over sized ego.

They just don't make this stuff up...
8 posted on 02/08/2007 5:09:13 PM PST by allen08gop (America -- The Arsenal For Humanity)
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To: bamahead

On a winter day when the jet stream is roaring across the country, the plane might not make it without refueling. Then again, sometimes even JetBlue's A320s can't make it across the country without refueling on a bad winter day. And some of Continental's 757s have a hard time making it across the Atlantic to Newark if the jet stream is brutal. They'll stop for fuel, often in Labrador.


9 posted on 02/08/2007 5:10:14 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: bamahead
Cost? Carbon footprint? B-757 vs. a Gulfstream? We, the people, should feel honored to adore her highness regardless of the cost. Isn't she worth it? Isn't she better than the rest of us? How can we, living in the flyover lands, ever hope to understand her needs? To think she only wants a B-757, why, she is such a humble servant. Truly, we are lucky to be blessed with her. How can we serve you, Madam? May we serve you, oh Blessed One?
10 posted on 02/08/2007 5:10:48 PM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: trumandogz

If she really raised the fact that she's a woman, she's a total leftwing lightweight jerk.


11 posted on 02/08/2007 5:12:21 PM PST by Williams
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To: bamahead

I wonder if she is going to insist on another face lift courtesy of the taxpayer ??? Where does this elitist insanity stop ??


12 posted on 02/08/2007 5:12:36 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: bamahead
the C-20 could fly to Hastert's Aurora, Ill., district, which is slightly more than 700 miles from Washington, D.C., without stopping to refuel...

I see Pelosi's mistake now.

Hastert was able to make it home in just a couple of hours, but Pelosi's trip would take 6 hours, which isn't fair. She should be able to be home in the same time that her predecessor took. Therefore, Pelosi needs an orbital flight that can get her home in under two hours, too.

-PJ

13 posted on 02/08/2007 5:12:54 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: bamahead
I heard today on Brit Hume show that she is going to get a small plane, 12 seats, but a one that does not need refueling in a trip from D.C to San Francisco.
14 posted on 02/08/2007 5:13:14 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: bamahead
It ain't the range, it's the 'family, friends, contributors, and hangers on part that needs to be addressed.

("Why sure Nancy, you can have the 747 all to yourself so long as the kids and neighbors fly US Air")

15 posted on 02/08/2007 5:13:47 PM PST by norton
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To: bamahead

Why can't she stop and let it refuel?


16 posted on 02/08/2007 5:14:14 PM PST by Mercat
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To: norton

In fact, I'm picturing air traffic into SFO being derailed because Nance's hairdresser hasn't finished the job yet & he isn't booked on the taxpayer funded commute back to work.


17 posted on 02/08/2007 5:15:36 PM PST by norton
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To: bamahead
C20 D, range 4330 miles. If we move SF to the max range, then I say let her have the big jet The more the merrier at the next parade, 4300 miles from WDC .. LOL

http://www.answers.com/topic/c-20-gulfstream-iii

Our Queen Bee just has abe in her bonnet.

18 posted on 02/08/2007 5:16:52 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: bamahead
The specs say c-20 can go the distance, so I wonder what this is about ?

Capt. Herb McConnell, the spokesman for the 89th Airlift wing at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, said the C-20 is sometimes "able to make a coast-to-coast flight at times during the year, but not when there are strong headwinds such as during the winter."
19 posted on 02/08/2007 5:16:58 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: bamahead
Queen Nancy and her entourage will travel in style on the taxpayer's dime, but her call for mandatory carbon restrictions will have the rest of us peons walking. She is a number one hypocrite.
20 posted on 02/08/2007 5:17:07 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: jveritas

well good. I'm glad that they didn't cave it to her demands. It's embarrassing to me as a woman for her to play the gender card. yuk


21 posted on 02/08/2007 5:17:22 PM PST by Mercat
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To: bamahead
She's claiming it's for security reasons that she and her extremely important entourage can't stop and refuel.

What's wrong with this picture? You, Madame Speaker, are saying it's too stinking dangerous to land in middle America? (cough) THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT PROBLEM.

I am sick of these power grabs, of people who want to be worshiped and adored and bowed down to, and be treated as though they WERE the president, pushing people out of the way to get the perqs of an office they don't hold, and bloating federal spending, ETC.
22 posted on 02/08/2007 5:20:49 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: bamahead
Pelosi charged that the Pentagon is treating her request for a military plane differently than that of her predecessor because she is a woman.

Did someone from the Pentagon tell Pelosi this? Is there any reason to believe this statement at all? If so, Pelosi should either disclose it or apologize to the Pentagon and to the rest of us for wasting our time with lame, reactionary accusations of sexism.
23 posted on 02/08/2007 5:21:13 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: bamahead

Lets start a mock internet drive for folks to donate their unused frequent flyer miles for Pelosi.


24 posted on 02/08/2007 5:21:48 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Pelosi charged that the Pentagon is treating her request for a military plane differently than that of her predecessor because she is a woman.

Yep. Out comes the victimhood...
25 posted on 02/08/2007 5:26:46 PM PST by bamahead
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To: xcamel

I’m sure the Prez could loan her his standby 747. The fact that the spare 747 has “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” painted on it would just excite her no end. And I’m also sure her radio call sign would be “Air force one but better”. As for her personal call sign … (would get banned for my suggestion).


26 posted on 02/08/2007 5:26:48 PM PST by doc1019 (If Obama is elected as President, we will become an “Obama Nation”.)
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To: GBA

We, the people, should feel honored to adore her highness regardless of the cost. Isn't she worth it? Isn't she better than the rest of us? How can we, living in the flyover lands, ever hope to understand her needs? To think she only wants a B-757, why, she is such a humble servant. Truly, we are lucky to be blessed with her. How can we serve you, Madam? May we serve you, oh Blessed One?

**
Thank you, thank you, GBA, for reigning us in. I repent mightily of the disrespectful comments I have made about Queen Nancy this day. We are not worthy! I hope that Her Majesty and Queen Hitlery will forgive us.


27 posted on 02/08/2007 5:29:57 PM PST by Bigg Red (You are either with us or with the terrorists.)
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To: Williams

If she really raised the fact that she's a woman, she's a total leftwing lightweight jerk.

&&
She did, indeed; I saw the clip this morning. But, come on, you didn't need that info to know that she's a total leftwing lightweight jerk.


28 posted on 02/08/2007 5:31:23 PM PST by Bigg Red (You are either with us or with the terrorists.)
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To: bamahead

This is the one Pelosi wants:

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=90

The C-32 is a specially configured version of the Boeing 757-200 commercial intercontinental airliner.


29 posted on 02/08/2007 5:33:03 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: bamahead

30 posted on 02/08/2007 5:35:03 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Political Junkie Too
Therefore, Pelosi needs an orbital flight that can get her home in under two hours, too.

...or she needs the SR-71 that GHWB used to negotiate the hostage release back in 1980 (remember that moldy-oldy from Carter's Iran-Hostage Crisis?). If I'm not mistaken the Blackbird could crank out a coast to coast in 90 minutes. Course San Fran Nan would need an immediate Botox treatment after each flight.

31 posted on 02/08/2007 5:35:52 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Load: 45 passengers


Crew: 16 (varies with mission)


32 posted on 02/08/2007 5:36:42 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Bigg Red
Not to worry. I'm sure all will be forgiven. She is benevolent in her deity.

I, like all good Americans, would gladly give several years pay so that She might not have to stop in some god forsaken place like Des Moines where She might be sullied by the huddled masses. No, She should, no She MUST fly non-stop, and if that costs more than I might make in any given year, then I am honored to serve Her.

33 posted on 02/08/2007 5:41:02 PM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: bamahead

Didn't the Pentagon tell her NO NO NO....


34 posted on 02/08/2007 5:42:37 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Williams

Lighten the airplane's load by recruiting a crew of midgets and use the weight saved for added fuel. This will also make madame speaker look at least as big as Dennis Hastert when she is in and around the plane.


35 posted on 02/08/2007 5:45:37 PM PST by mathurine (ua)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Pelosi airplane

36 posted on 02/08/2007 5:50:36 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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Pelosi is also claiming that it wasn't her that requested the larger jet...it was the Sergeant At(of?) Arms (of the House), since that office is who makes or controls congressional travel arrangements (except for when they fly commercial, in which case they are reimbursed through that office?).

If the above is actually true, what I'd like to know is; was it Nancy who originated the request for the larger jet...and the Sergeant was merely passing along the request, or was it the Sergeant At/of Arms' idea in the first place? On a related note, could we trust whomever THAT is, to tell the truth of the matter?

If folks here are wrong about this, we're just needlessly burning daylight, and making ourselves look hateful, which can hurt us in the future, when we'll be needing to be not only "heard", but actually heeded [for a change!].

Let's all try to stick with the facts, whatever they may be.
We are in a war in Iraq, and unfortunately, also in an info war, here at home amongst ourselves (Americans).

Our ammo, our word, simply HAS to be pure. The stakes are too high for us to indulge ourselves in less.

37 posted on 02/08/2007 5:52:33 PM PST by BlueDragon (If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.)
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To: Wolverine

One of those lawn-chair-plus-lawnmower-engine "planes" would do nicely.

This one's cute:

http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2005/06/10/commuting_to_silicon_valleyby_gyroplane.html


38 posted on 02/08/2007 5:54:54 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: bamahead
You know, the sorriest part of this story is that it is an undisputed fact that she could make it to work in DC with no problem under all circumstances but we are being asked to provide her with the luxury of a speedy trip home from Washington to get back home for recesses.

Now that I think about it....don't we have any supersonic craft for that trip?

39 posted on 02/08/2007 6:02:00 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: bamahead
The real reason she is upset is; she want to charge for the seats, in the form of campaign "donations"
40 posted on 02/08/2007 6:05:37 PM PST by thinking
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To: bamahead

Sheesh! Can't you folks get it!

How can she sneer at the folks in fly-over country if you don't let her fly over?

If she had to land and refuel *shudder* it just wouldn't be the same!


41 posted on 02/08/2007 6:13:59 PM PST by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: EagleUSA
I wonder if she is going to insist on another face lift courtesy of the taxpayer ???

Just stick her head out of the plane window at about 40,000. That should lift her face. LOL

That wig she had on today was wild.

42 posted on 02/08/2007 6:22:39 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: bamahead
The C-20 is a Gulfstream III - Rush Limbaugh tools around, coast-to-coast, in a similar aircraft.

That's her real issue!!!

43 posted on 02/08/2007 6:28:52 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("God made liquor and God made brew, so ugly people could have sex too" - unknown)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I'm thinking of a C-130 with canvas seats, loaded with a platoon of paratroopers geared up for a tactical jump. Nap of the earth flight from DC to San Fran interrupted only by mid air refueling. With no inconvenient stops, she should make it in ~ 10 hours. Give her a good chance to chat with the troops she so strongly supports, and give them a chance w/o a lot of chain of command around, to tell her how much they appreciate her support. Best part is that at the end, they all get to jump out of the plane over San Francisco. Hope someone remembers her parachute......


44 posted on 02/08/2007 6:29:16 PM PST by redlegplanner
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To: bamahead

She's clearly overcompensating for something.


45 posted on 02/08/2007 6:30:36 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: bamahead
She could have taken the OTHER jet available (same size) that COULD make make a nonstop trip to SF...Instead she wanted the Jumbo that would cost a quater of a million per trip.

And BTW, even if she used Hastert's exact one, there are like eight or so military bases along the way to refuel at.

46 posted on 02/08/2007 6:37:51 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: bamahead

Give the SKANK a crop duster and tell her to get lost!


47 posted on 02/08/2007 6:46:19 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Or better yet... a jet pack and a map of the United States..Get Lost Pelosio!


48 posted on 02/08/2007 6:49:15 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Williams
Exactly. Anytime someone brings in race, religion, gender, or any other issue that, well, isn't part of the issue... That says their argument is weak on facts and they're blowing smoke.

The {expletive} Pelosi can fly commercial coach - it's good enough for 99.9999% of the other government servants. I think she needs to be reminded of that fact - she is a public servant not a feudal lord. She only needs a bigger plane to carry around her ever-expanding ego.

She gets a bigger plane, I hope to h*ll the pilots are military. If I were them, there would not be one single cross-country flight that wasn't interrupted for a precautionary landing. "Honest, we got an intermittent warning light here in the cockpit. Flight safety rules, particularly while carrying someone of your importance, require a precautionary landing." Then I'd set down at the most out of the way, backwater no-name place I could find. It'd take hours to get a replacement plane and crew there, or a certified mechanic to check out the aircraft...

49 posted on 02/08/2007 6:59:18 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: bamahead

I think there is a safety issue here.

While on paper the C-20 has the range, safely maybe not.

I don't know how the AF would fly this but the airlines have a rule that goes something like this.

The plane has to be able to make its destination plus an alternate plus 30 min or maybe 1 hr of fuel.


50 posted on 02/08/2007 7:11:28 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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