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Is Giuliani a Conservative? [Mona Charen]
Creator's Syndicate via Yahoo ^ | 02/09/07 | Mona Charen

Posted on 02/09/2007 6:22:55 AM PST by BunnySlippers

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To: ken5050
No one is asking to drink the Koolaid, my friend.

My gawd, asking us to believe that Rudy is conservative despite his long record to the contrary? THAT is Koolaid. I'd almost prefer he say "I'm a liberal, what ya gonna do about it?"

All we're asking of you is that you listen to Rudy, with an open mind, as he tries to win your vote...

Joe Isuzu would be more believable, quite frankly. Nothing in Rudy's past makes me believe he means a single word he is saying to convince us his spots have changed.

21 posted on 02/09/2007 6:39:47 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: proxy_user
You cannot really call a guy a moderate who is a full conservative on cutting taxes, arresting criminals, and defending the country, but doesn't care about social issues.

Sure I can. We're talking about his overall position on the liberal-conservative spectrum, not on a specific issue or two. That's like saying I can't call Hillary a liberal because she voted for the war. But if you don't like the term, fine. Call him Susan, for all I care. He is what he is, and it ain't a conservative.

22 posted on 02/09/2007 6:40:42 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: areafiftyone

All I want to know is Rudy TOUGH ENOUGH TO TAKE ON THE ISLAMOFASCHISTS.........imo, yes, he has proven himself many times over.....BEFORE 9/11 AND AFTER 9/11.


23 posted on 02/09/2007 6:40:44 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Courdeleon02
But he can beat Hillary and that is the most important issue.

He couldn't even outpoll Hillary in the NY Senate race in 2000 before he withdrew. In other words, he can't even beat Hillary IN HIS HOME STATE.

24 posted on 02/09/2007 6:40:44 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: william clark
Maybe an unofficial libertarian

Wash your mouth out with soap. Libertarians would have absolutely no truck with this gun grabbing fascist.

25 posted on 02/09/2007 6:41:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: OldFriend

He's the only one besides Bush who has proven that he can.


26 posted on 02/09/2007 6:41:45 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Courdeleon02
But he can beat Hillary and that is the most important issue.The Duncan Hunters out there are all losers and spell disaster for the Republican Party.

That is exactly backwards. The fact if the matter is that running a liberal spells the disaster.

27 posted on 02/09/2007 6:42:08 AM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: BunnySlippers
Answer: Hell No!

I could still vote for him though.....

28 posted on 02/09/2007 6:42:10 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: from occupied ga

Yes, I already got taken to the woodshed on that one. If I were less literate, I'd say "my bad."


29 posted on 02/09/2007 6:42:21 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: BunnySlippers

Rudy is no Conservative...

Taking the statement by Mona "His conservatism has been tempered in New York City — so it is steely indeed." and modify it to read,
His conservatism has been tempered in the state of MA — so it is steely indeed.

Does not make Mitt a Conservative, or McCain...the only true Conservative is Duncan Hunter.


30 posted on 02/09/2007 6:42:54 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: BunnySlippers
Is Giuliani a Conservative?

..in school, I always liked tests with easy questions

31 posted on 02/09/2007 6:42:59 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: ken5050
Rudy's stand on guns was so ineffective that he only got the murder rate down from 2200 to 600........

hope I don't need the /s/ for some people to wake up and realize that Rudy saved NYC from itself. When he won against Dinkins it was true that most felt that city was unmanageable, that there was no hope, and NYC could never regain it's cache!

32 posted on 02/09/2007 6:43:32 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: dirtboy

OK, then...I guess I'll have to move you to my list of "undecided" ...


33 posted on 02/09/2007 6:44:03 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

"And he can win the election" Based on what??


34 posted on 02/09/2007 6:44:16 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: areafiftyone

All a moot point, if he can't win the election. And Duncan Hunter has the military credentials to take on the WOT.


35 posted on 02/09/2007 6:44:21 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: BunnySlippers

This is the beautiful thing about Rudy.

He doesn't give a ___ about being popular with the leftist whores.

If he decided to secure the border and continue to fight the WOT to win I could see he topping W's major weakness, the sincere desire to be liked.

Social conservatives would get solid judges, and we would win in the great struggle of our time.


36 posted on 02/09/2007 6:44:43 AM PST by rwilson99 (Al Gore causes Global Cooling.)
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To: william clark

I agree at best he's a "moderate" in the modern political sense of the word - Not as pro tax as Hillary, but not pro business either and a ruthless anti-capitalist ( look what he did to Michael Milken)


37 posted on 02/09/2007 6:45:06 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Courdeleon02

As usual, an argument with all the analytical substance of a bumper sticker.


38 posted on 02/09/2007 6:45:57 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: BunnySlippers
Evidently not Mona. Rudy is socially liberal fiscal conservative except when his fiscal conservatism clashes with his social liberalness. IOW's he is not averse to taking my money to pay for abortion.

Rudy is also a good law and order guy who allows his law and orderliness to trample on the second amendment if one doesn't live in the right part of the country.

Like President Bush Rudy is also good on the WOT except he is reluctant, like POTUS, to seal the borders in time of war which has a negative effect on keeping Americans cognizant that we are indeed in a WOT.

And finally, friends don't let friends vote for "conservatives" who support leftists like Mario Cuomo for Chief Executive offices.

JMHO of course.

39 posted on 02/09/2007 6:46:10 AM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: dirtboy
I'm really getting sick of spinnners thinking we are dumb enough to join them at the Koolaid trough.

The sad thing is most people ARE that stupid, or just dont' care enough about America, and will vote for this disaster.

40 posted on 02/09/2007 6:47:04 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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