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"Gov. Rick Perry's Huge Mistake"
The Collins Report ^ | Feb. 9, 2007 | Donna Garner

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:23:00 AM PST by jmaroneps37

Governor Perry has made a huge mistake in signing an executive order which mandates that all sixth-grade girls entering public schools by the fall of 2008 must be vaccinated for Human Papilloma Virus with Gardasil a product of Merck Pharmaceuticals.

A public debate in the Legislature should have preceded such a drastic move, all ……. careful consideration.

Parents are being told, "We do not expect nor believe that you will stay abstinent until marriage."

The decision to get young girls vaccinated for HPV is not an easy…. In less than a year since approval, 82 cases of serious adverse events following HPV vaccinations of Gardasil have been reported. These incidents should have been discussed thoroughly in open forum in the Legislature before any mandate was even considered.

(http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?PAGENO=1&PERPAGE=10&VAX=HPV4).

Parents need to evaluate all aspects of the HPV vaccine.. there are no long-term studies yet on the way these sixth graders might be affected in future years when [they] have their own babies. Since the vaccine has only followed girls for five years, nobody knows for sure how long the vaccination may last ...

HPV vaccine only covers 4 of 30 types of HPV which account for 70% of cervical cancers and 90% of genital warts. That still leaves 30% of cervical cancers and 10% of genital warts … not covered.

A definite drawback to Gardasil is that girls must get three full doses of the vaccine for it to be effective. How many families are going to understand the urgency of making sure their girls get three full doses over a six months' period of time?

The seriousness of HPV has been one of the driving forces behind the plea for teens to remain abstinent until marriage. Condoms do not offer …

(Excerpt) Read more at collinsreport.net ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: gardasil; hpv; merck; rickperry; texas
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What do you tell a little girl who wants to know why she is being given this injection?

This is another government agency telling kids "We expect you will act like an animal and be unable to control yourselves." What's next the contraception chip shot into girls arms when the reach ten?

1 posted on 02/09/2007 11:23:02 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

Logan's Run. Die at 21.


2 posted on 02/09/2007 11:27:43 AM PST by yobid (A world without Islam is a world with peace)
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To: weegee; stevie_d_64; Froufrou; anymouse; BellStar; hocndoc; sam_paine; mathluv; ...


3 posted on 02/09/2007 11:28:02 AM PST by GulfBreeze (I Like Duncan Hunter for the GOP Presidential Nomination in 2008)
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To: GulfBreeze

anybody who expects government to raise their child is badly misdirected themselves


4 posted on 02/09/2007 11:29:03 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: jmaroneps37

I don't care where I live by the time my younger girls get to this age, they will not be getting this vaccination. My oldest turns 17 tomorrow, so I am beyond it with her, but my younger ones??? Nope.


5 posted on 02/09/2007 11:30:16 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: jmaroneps37

"Informed consent? Who cares? We own stock in Merck."

6 posted on 02/09/2007 11:30:39 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: jmaroneps37

But I thought Perry was a great conservative - that's what I kept hearing on FR before the election...

Sheeple.


7 posted on 02/09/2007 11:31:21 AM PST by mgstarr (I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Gotta keep these kids clean from disease so their teachers can have sex with them.


8 posted on 02/09/2007 11:32:57 AM PST by donna
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To: jmaroneps37; MamaTexan; DJ MacWoW; Nathan Zachary; Basheva

Perry's vaccine ping.

Comp to think of it, aren't most of the vaccines finished well before this age?

He didn't just make a mistake. He was flat arrogant about it.


9 posted on 02/09/2007 11:33:18 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: jmaroneps37

If we can eliminate 70% of cervical cancer through this vaccination, I don't see the downside in such a vaccination.

However I do have qualms about the relative newness of the drug and the government mandate.


11 posted on 02/09/2007 11:36:43 AM PST by RWR8189 (Support the Republican Study Committee)
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To: jmaroneps37

Notice how he waited until the election was over to decide this was the wise thing to do?


12 posted on 02/09/2007 11:36:55 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: GulfBreeze

Thanks GB.


14 posted on 02/09/2007 11:38:32 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: TonyRo76

I'd rather do it NOW.


15 posted on 02/09/2007 11:39:12 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: jmaroneps37

I'd have to be carted off to jail then. My daughters would never be subjected to a government forced injection of ANY kind.


16 posted on 02/09/2007 11:39:14 AM PST by albie
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To: GulfBreeze

tHANKS


17 posted on 02/09/2007 11:39:41 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: TonyRo76
Boot from office at the next election???

He's term limited and only got 40% this time. He's toast and lining his pockets.

18 posted on 02/09/2007 11:40:15 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Froufrou

According to this site:

http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/growth/medical/immunization_chart.html

all but the Meningitis shot are done well before then.

They get a Meningitis shot at 11 years? I don't remember my teen getting that.


19 posted on 02/09/2007 11:40:31 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: mgstarr

What I said that out of all the lousy choices we had, Perry was the lesser of 4 evils. He's a Bush clone.


20 posted on 02/09/2007 11:41:56 AM PST by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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To: RWR8189
If we can eliminate 70% of cervical cancer through this vaccination, I don't see the downside in such a vaccination.

What about if there was a vaccine for genital herpes, syphilis, or gonorrhea? Provided the vaccines were safe and there were no serious side effects, would you be in favor of forcing teenage girls to get this vaccination?

21 posted on 02/09/2007 11:42:20 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: mgstarr
But I thought Perry was a great conservative - that's what I kept hearing on FR before the election...

Maybe from the head in the sand people. I've been to six State Conventions and work for 1 or 2 candidates every year. For the first time in my 36 years of voting, I voted against the Republican for Governor.

22 posted on 02/09/2007 11:43:30 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: jmaroneps37

It's good if you're a Merck stockholder.


23 posted on 02/09/2007 11:44:17 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: RWR8189

"If we can eliminate 70% of cervical cancer through this vaccination, I don't see the downside in such a vaccination".

...the problem that you and a lot of Freepers are having with this is...WHERE'S THE LONG RANGE PROOF THAT THIS WOULD WORK IN THE 1ST PLACE!! Because the FDA says so?! This is all about the $$$. The side effects of such a vaccine are not being discussed. The long term effects of such a vaccine are not being discussed. Even if they were, the gummit has no idea.


24 posted on 02/09/2007 11:44:25 AM PST by albie
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To: Froufrou

Sorry for the double post, but I went to the CDC site, and even they don't seem to have complete info on the vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vaccine/vac-chart-public.htm


25 posted on 02/09/2007 11:44:26 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: RWR8189

There isn't a downside to the vaccination. The downside is the government ordering you to have your child be given the vaccination! Outrageous.


26 posted on 02/09/2007 11:45:21 AM PST by go-dubya-04
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To: USMCWife6869

My girl is 33 and I don't recall it at all.


27 posted on 02/09/2007 11:45:23 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: mgstarr
That was only from such great conservative thinkers such as Mr. Squat and Begone...

I believe a land slide was predicted by them and all of us that called Goodhair a RINO were blessed with IQ's of less than 70.

BTW, If you add in the 'None of the Above' votes, such as my wife's, Pretty boy did not get 39%.
28 posted on 02/09/2007 11:45:39 AM PST by CenTex (Goodhair ... Bad news... See ya' March 2nd in Austin...)
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To: jmaroneps37
What do you tell a little girl who wants to know why she is being given this injection?

"This will keep you from getting a bad disease. Just like the shots you got for diptheria, whooping cough, polio, measles, mumps and chicken pox when you were little. "

Is it really that freaking complicated?

29 posted on 02/09/2007 11:46:21 AM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: albie
I'd have to be carted off to jail then.

It might be a tad easier to just opt out, as is provided for by the law.

30 posted on 02/09/2007 11:46:25 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Tolkien
Just like the RINO's that are being offered up as presidential candidates...the lesser of two evils
31 posted on 02/09/2007 11:47:53 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: jmaroneps37

"If this vaccine had been around when I was young I might still be a yell leader now -"
Real Perry Quote (really)
34 posted on 02/09/2007 11:49:51 AM PST by GulfBreeze (I Like Duncan Hunter for the GOP Presidential Nomination in 2008)
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To: RWR8189
If we can eliminate 70% of cervical cancer through this vaccination, I don't see the downside in such a vaccination.

Because it's never been tested on prepubescent girls?

Gardasil HPV Vaccine Reduced Infection and Disease in New Clinical Study Article Date: 07 Apr 2005 - 9:00 PST

In the study, 552 women in the United States, Europe and Brazil between the ages of 16 and 23 were randomized to receive vaccine or placebo at Day 1, Month 2, and Month 6.

Merck's HPV Vaccine in Phase III Trial 100% Effective for Two Strains Causing 70% of Cervical Cancer CasesArticle Date: 09 Oct 2005 - 19:00 PST

enrolled 12,167 women ages 16 to 26 in 13 countries

V501 (Gardasil) Study in Preadolescent Females This study is currently recruiting patients.Verified by Merck February 2007

Official Title: V501 (Gardasil) Phase II Immunogenicity Study in Females Aged 9 to 17 Years

Study start: December 2006

35 posted on 02/09/2007 11:50:38 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Chris Bell praised Goodhair's move. 'Nuff said.

Maybe Governor Kinky wouldn't have been such a bad idea, after all.


36 posted on 02/09/2007 11:53:52 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: jmaroneps37
The impression that Perry had given from this distance was that he was a fool. He merely confirmed the impression.

The vaccine may be a good idea, but there needs to be parental consent, not any of this state mandated rubbish.

Regards, Ivan

37 posted on 02/09/2007 11:54:50 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: GulfBreeze

"...teens to remain abstinent until marriage..."

What an absolute novel concept!!!


38 posted on 02/09/2007 11:56:50 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: RWR8189
If we can eliminate 70% of cervical cancer through this vaccination, I don't see the downside in such a vaccination.

Which would seem, in itself, a wonderful thing.

The mortality rate for cervical cancer is one half of one percent. Most of those cases were women who didn't have regular pap tests.

Of the 80% HPV infection rate, 70% clear up on their own.

Injecting the entire populace for something with a low mortality rate that can currently be achieved using less expensive methods?

Sounds like another one of Perry Pompadour's boondoggles.

(In my state's defense, our choices for Governor WERE Larry, Moe, and Curly-ette :-)

39 posted on 02/09/2007 12:07:59 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: TonyRo76

So that he can become a Merck lobbyist and make some real money.


40 posted on 02/09/2007 12:14:45 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Wolfie
It might be a tad easier to just opt out, as is provided for by the law.

Opting out means sending a form to the State, have it returned, and have it notarized, then giving it to the school.

They only 'allow' you to opt out for religious or moral reasons. A simple "No thanks" won't fly.

It's like you have to justify your kid not having something government has no right to force on you in the first place.

"Opting out" just sounds easy.

41 posted on 02/09/2007 12:15:13 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: MamaTexan

There shouldn't be a law requiring it at all. But there is. EO's suck. Of course, some people love 'em, depending on the topic at hand. If one truly believes the vaccine is dangerous, then the process shouldn't be much of a hindrance.


42 posted on 02/09/2007 12:19:25 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: ReignOfError
What do you tell a little girl who wants to know why she is being given this injection?
"This will keep you from getting a bad disease. Just like the shots you got for diptheria, whooping cough, polio, measles, mumps and chicken pox when you were little. "

Is it really that freaking complicated? You don't have young girls, that's for sure. What do you say when your little girl asks what part of her gets sick and how that part of her gets sick? In your way of thinking we just follow what the governor tells us to do and give her "that talk". Well suppose I don't think it's time that my little girl gets "that talk". I'm screwed right? Your logic is ridiculous if you think HP is just another disease.
It THAT really THAT freaking complicated? If you want the government running your life, I guess not.
43 posted on 02/09/2007 12:55:34 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (google the "Verses of the Sword" to understand our Islamist enemies.)
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To: dfwgator
Chris Bell praised Goodhair's move. 'Nuff said. Maybe Governor Kinky wouldn't have been such a bad idea, after all.

Your not the only one who now regrets not voting for Kinky!

We were worried he would be a joke and a laughing stock.

Well look what we have got now!
44 posted on 02/09/2007 1:01:39 PM PST by TexanByBirth (Texas Govenor Rick Perry: The Best Aggie Joke Ever!)
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To: Wolfie
But there is. EO's suck.

Perry's EO is illegal, and and illegal act has no force in law.

Why should I have to go through ANY 'process' because he wants to play King of Texas?

45 posted on 02/09/2007 1:13:54 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Lots of probing questions are being ask. Anyone believe the left-wing MSM here in Texas is not after RP? However, in this case, he gave them the ammo, gun, and showed them where to aim. RP was stupid for this action.
46 posted on 02/09/2007 1:16:20 PM PST by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: jmaroneps37

I remember when I was very young; we received polio vaccines at school which I hated; but I don't remember that they were mandated or not.


47 posted on 02/09/2007 1:28:52 PM PST by freekitty
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To: jmaroneps37
What do you tell a little girl who wants to know why she is being given this injection?

That it is to prevent some types of cancer.

How hard is that? And if you simply opt out, you don't even have to do that.

I don't agree with Perry's action on this, but the typical Freeper harping, handwringing, and hysteria over each outrage de jour is ridiculous. Plug-n-play misery, oh how you have been abandoned to wander in the wilderness and die.

48 posted on 02/09/2007 1:34:47 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Fred Thompson in '08!)
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To: GulfBreeze

Thanks for the ping. This is blowing up for Perry, but don't count out Merck's lobbyist pulling another card.


49 posted on 02/09/2007 3:33:01 PM PST by YCTHouston
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To: jmaroneps37
What do you say when your little girl asks what part of her gets sick and how that part of her gets sick?

Same as any other disease. If your kid is old enough to ask specific questions about disease transmission vectors, she's probably old enough to know about the birds and the bees.

Well suppose I don't think it's time that my little girl gets "that talk".

"That talk" -- as if it's a one-shot deal -- is part of the problem. Any kid who's old enough to ask the question is old enough for an honest answer. No more information than necessary, and age-appropriate, but honest.

Classic joke: Kid asks Dad, "Daddy, what's sex?" Dad then gives him "The Talk," in detail and three-part harmony. The kid, wide-eyed, looks at Dad, blinks, and after a period of stunned silence says, "okay, but I don't think I can fit all of that in this little blank on the form."

Your logic is ridiculous if you think HP is just another disease.

It is just another disease, though more lethal than most. Your logic is ridiculous if you think that HPV is a judgment, and that the folks who get it somehow deserve it. Or delusional if you believe that probable immunity from the most prevalent forms of HPV will turn every nice little girl into a slutty mattress-back.

I can only imagine the fits of apoplexy you'll go into when and if medical science comes up with an HIV vaccine.

It THAT really THAT freaking complicated? If you want the government running your life, I guess not.

The Texas order has an opt-out option. So opt out. If you're happy with your daughter becoming a victim or a carrier rather than getting a stick in the arm, that is not my call.

50 posted on 02/09/2007 4:49:33 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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