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Honest Abe to go on trial - for racism (Community College "education")
Aurora [Colorado] Sentinel ^ | 2/8/07 | Staff

Posted on 02/09/2007 7:22:48 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s

Honest Abe to go on trial - for racism

Daily Sun reports

Thursday, February 08, 2007

AURORA | The Community College of Aurora's professors will stage a mock trail that puts Abraham Lincoln on trial for racism at 2 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 10, at the college's Fine Arts building at 16000 E. CentreTech Parkway.

The trial is free and open to the public. Based on his speeches and written documents, teams for the prosecution and the defense assembled from the Community College of Aurora's criminal justice program and will try Lincoln to determine whether he was a racist and how his beliefs and attitudes influenced the course of the Civil War, Reconstruction and post-war society.

Call 303-739-6600 or visit www.auroralibrary.org.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: academia; culturewars; indoctrination; indoctrinationcamp; publiceducation; publikskoolz
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1 posted on 02/09/2007 7:22:49 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s
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To: stainlessbanner


2 posted on 02/09/2007 7:24:27 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

This is why if I had to educate my children over again, they would NEVER set foot in a government indoctrination camp. Never.


3 posted on 02/09/2007 7:24:50 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

What a completely, totally, absurd, counter-productive, wrong-headed, moronic debate.


4 posted on 02/09/2007 7:26:47 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Honest Abe from Illinois!
That scamp was from Kentucky!

Brother Dave Gardner
5 posted on 02/09/2007 7:27:24 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: EagleUSA

We homeschooled (for the most part) and our kid went to a private college. Not as bad as state schools, plus she knew/knows how to think for herself.


6 posted on 02/09/2007 7:27:49 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

What a completely, totally, absurd, counter-productive, wrong-headed, moronic debate.
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Exactly -- a byproduct of liberalism and a totally sloppy attempt to rewrite history. Yawn -- I know, its right out of the lib playbook. OLD playbook.


7 posted on 02/09/2007 7:28:39 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Poor Abe. He frees the slaves, at the cost of his life, and now he's on trial for racism. What a crock of shit.


8 posted on 02/09/2007 7:29:04 PM PST by popdonnelly (Conservatives must have their own long march through the institutions.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Gee, I wonder if they'll follow up with trials for Woodrow Wilson (who allowed many Federal gov't offices to be segregated), and FDR (who refused to support anti-lynching legislation, largely because it would cost him political support from southern Democrats of that era).

.....

Nahhhhh!


9 posted on 02/09/2007 7:29:40 PM PST by DemforBush
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To: EagleUSA

All we have to do is get rid of the humanities. Teach math only.


10 posted on 02/09/2007 7:29:57 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: popdonnelly

That's left-wing revisionist history for you.


11 posted on 02/09/2007 7:30:02 PM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

It sounds like an interesting intellectual excercise to me. Why are people slamming it so much? People on freerepublic.com all the time like to point out that Lincoln didn't really set out to free teh slaves. It sounds like this school is taking that exercise and turning it into a big production.


12 posted on 02/09/2007 7:30:30 PM PST by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Apparently, it doesn't matter that he signed the Emancipation Proclamtion. What really matters is that he may possibly have committed a thought crime by doubting that freed slaves could integrate successfully into American society. Maybe flogging George Bush's character has gotten old, so the liberal Professors are expanding their horizons to dead Presidents. One possible verdict: "Abe Lincoln freed the slaves, but he's still a hate criminal!"


13 posted on 02/09/2007 7:31:11 PM PST by clearlight ("I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula"-Muhammad)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

We homeschooled (for the most part) and our kid went to a private college. Not as bad as state schools, plus she knew/knows how to think for herself.
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Most likely what I might do if I had it to do over. But if the American public is stupid enough to put a Marxist in the White House, with a socialist Congress, then state indoctrination camps will be mandatory and they will control your child....Hitlery will try. She already did once and many will remember her little power grab at the high school level where she wanted to take control of your child's future and dictate what profession your child would work in (for the state, of course).

We are dealing with Marxists here now. For sure.


14 posted on 02/09/2007 7:31:29 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: popdonnelly

I just hope no body finds out he was a *GASP* republican. He'll hang fer shur.


15 posted on 02/09/2007 7:32:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I should be easy to get a conviction, based on Lincoln's statements it is obvious that he was a racist. The real question for examining historical figures is whether on net they improved their society and by how much. Perfection is not a legitimate standard for any of us but we can all make our world at least a little better and we should be judged on how well we accomplished that goal.
16 posted on 02/09/2007 7:33:44 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Will the Emancipation Proclamation be offered as evidence for his defense?


17 posted on 02/09/2007 7:34:07 PM PST by HoosierHawk (Republicans - The Party of Lincoln)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Your honor, I'd like to call Robert Byrd, Fritz Hollings, and Joesph Biden to the stand.


18 posted on 02/09/2007 7:40:29 PM PST by D-Chivas
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To: ChildOfThe60s

About time folks talked about the "other" Abe: the one the GOP likes to keep in the closet, the one who never intended for blacks to be other than second-class citizens.


19 posted on 02/09/2007 7:41:40 PM PST by Redbob
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To: krb
It sounds like an interesting intellectual excercise to me. Why are people slamming it so much? People on freerepublic.com all the time like to point out that Lincoln didn't really set out to free teh slaves. It sounds like this school is taking that exercise and turning it into a big production.

I can't count the number of times that I have heard people from the deep south call Lincoln a racist.

20 posted on 02/09/2007 7:43:45 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, since he's a Republican, there's no need for a trial! He's guilty!

Why don't they try some Democratic politicians, like "Pitchfork" Ben Tillman? Heck, they don't have to go that far back! They can try Bobby Byrd!


21 posted on 02/09/2007 7:46:28 PM PST by popdonnelly (Conservatives must have their own long march through the institutions.)
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To: basil

You be the judge

"I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abraham Lincoln


22 posted on 02/09/2007 7:47:06 PM PST by bluecollarman ( There were a pair of brothers in Georgia. The idiot of the two became President.)
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To: bluecollarman

Good grief! Obviously, I've never paid much attention to ole Abe!


23 posted on 02/09/2007 7:51:09 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Abe Lincoln was a lobbyist for the railroad. That is how he got his connections and funding to run for president.


24 posted on 02/09/2007 7:52:57 PM PST by LetsRok
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To: LetsRok

Haliburton ran a railroad? It's all starting to sound familiar


25 posted on 02/09/2007 7:56:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: HoosierHawk
Will the Emancipation Proclamation be offered as evidence for his defense?

This was a political document used to keep England from siding with the Confederacy. It freed zero slaves except where the Union Army was standing at any point in time.

I'd be tempted to look at the Lincoln/Douglas Debates as Exhibit I.

Also no lesser a soldier of emancipation that Frederick Douglas delivered high praise to Lincoln after Lincoln's death. Douglas wasn't in the habit of letting anyone off the hook.

It's so chic to find fault with our predecessors. Most of us should be a bit more existential. I have often thought Lincoln's worst crime was he had the audacity to be a Republican. It was once said as common wisdom that nothing good ever came from Nazareth. The same "common wisdom" has applied for most of my life regarding the Republican Party.

26 posted on 02/09/2007 7:58:09 PM PST by stevem
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To: basil

Not many have here is another jewel, after him much touted Emancipation Proclamation

I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue. My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan. There is no room for two distinct races of white men in America, much less for two distinct races of whites and blacks.

I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro into our social and political life as our equal....

Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the negro and give him our language, literature, religion, and system of government under conditions in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood. This he can never do here. We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed of, with millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is neither possible nor desirable.
Abraham Lincoln, August 14, 1862


27 posted on 02/09/2007 7:58:23 PM PST by bluecollarman ( There were a pair of brothers in Georgia. The idiot of the two became President.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Interesting generalization. Hopefully you're brainiac child has more sense than his/her mom/dad.


28 posted on 02/09/2007 7:59:29 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: bluecollarman

No fair! You can't bring facts to this debate. It's not nearly as much fun as people getting to spout off whatever random and baseless "facts" they create in their heads.


29 posted on 02/09/2007 8:01:58 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ChildOfThe60s

That's odd. I (proudly) went to public school and can think for myself, too. The public school bashing on FR is really lame and old, to say the least, akin to liberals screaming that they have superior skills and talents because they went to Harvard or Yale. But, hey, at least they are private colleges!


30 posted on 02/09/2007 8:04:58 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Neato, I'd love to have this debate with my coworkers next week. Oh wait, I have this pesky annoyance called a "job", during which I have to perform "work", which results in "accomplishing something".

It must be nice to be an academic.


31 posted on 02/09/2007 8:10:44 PM PST by zoso82t
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To: HoosierHawk

No. It didn't free a single slave in the US. It only applied to "states in rebellion". The English ridiculed it as freeing the slaves where Lincoln didn't have power to enforce the act, and keeping the slaves in bondage where Lincoln had the power to free them.

Slaves in the Union remained slaves until the passage of the 13th, 14th, 15th Amendments during the Johnson administration.


32 posted on 02/09/2007 8:11:03 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

By today's standards 99% of Americans of The War of Northern Aggression Era were "racists".
That was a totally different time and people can't be fairly judged by today's more "enlightened" views.


33 posted on 02/09/2007 8:11:21 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Well, despite being a racist, Lincoln did play a big role in freeing the slaves. This was more than most of his contemporary politicians did.


34 posted on 02/09/2007 8:13:23 PM PST by John Semmens
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To: stevem
This was a political document used to keep England from siding with the Confederacy. It freed zero slaves except where the Union Army was standing at any point in time.

I agree to a point. The end of the Civil War.

I'm no stranger to Lincoln history.

Would the tards prosecuting Lincoln today find that the Gettysburg Address was a damnable speech?

35 posted on 02/09/2007 8:14:43 PM PST by HoosierHawk (Republicans - The Party of Lincoln)
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To: BnBlFlag

Considering the fact that blacks were slaves in the south it's a little ridiculous to call Lincoln a racist. That's the deepest darkest pitch black kettle calling the sheet kinda greyish.


36 posted on 02/09/2007 8:16:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Hopefully you're brainiac child has more sense than his/her mom/dad.

LOL. Next time you (try to) insult someone else's intelligence, perhaps you should brush up on your grammar. Hope your kid learned his somewhere else.

37 posted on 02/09/2007 8:16:23 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: bluecollarman
You beat me to it.

In years past,while reading the Lincoln Douglas Fourth Joint Debate , Charleston, September 18, 1858 I was amazed at how the racism of Lincoln had been ignored and glossed over through the years, and not discussed in American history classes.

It appears he deserves the title "Honest Abe". - Tom

38 posted on 02/09/2007 8:19:00 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Yeah, it's real easy to attack a man who's been dead for more than 140 years. Morons.

Lincoln was as much a product of his time as any other important figure of his day. But he was always against slavery.

39 posted on 02/09/2007 8:20:14 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

Lincoln's racism is well documented. The question is the effect his decisions had on constitutional sovereignty and this confederation of states. I hope there is a follow-up on the trial proceedings.


40 posted on 02/09/2007 8:22:42 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: krb

I agree...part of education is challenging you opinions and seeking truth. I think many students look at Lincoln from only one perspective and this exercise could be very enlightening. Lincoln is one of my favourite Presidents, but his motivations for freeing the Slaves are appropriate for discussion...an 'academic' exercise but isn't that one reason one attends school?

When I was a freshman in college, I went to an Amnesty International rally/meeting...learned a lot, thought about my values and beliefs and chose to never ever return.


41 posted on 02/09/2007 8:23:07 PM PST by flixxx
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To: EagleUSA; stainlessbanner; stand watie; 4CJ
Exactly -- a byproduct of liberalism and a totally sloppy attempt to rewrite history.

And exactly how is it rewriting history? I just hope they tape it. I want a copy. Sounds like cracks are starting to show at the church of abe....

42 posted on 02/09/2007 8:25:49 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
But he was always against slavery.

Except when Lincoln wrote, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it" in his 1862 letter to Horace Greeley.

43 posted on 02/09/2007 8:29:30 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
akin to liberals screaming that they have superior skills and talents because they went to Harvard or Yale. But, hey, at least they are private colleges!

You got me on that one.

Let me rephrase, if I may. I also went to public school and like to believe I can think for myself.
The school she went to is small & highly regarded. I should have said "better than most schools - private or public". Harvard / Yale pretty much shoots down the private/public generalization.

As far as the "thinking for herself" portion, what I was saying was that because she can think for herself, she was equipped to handle the inevitable liberal propaganda which seems to occur at nearly all colleges to some degree. Anyway, our goal was to teach her to think for herself & not rely on any school to do that. And I believe we were successful. When she and I disagree, if I hope to prevail, I have to really earn it.

44 posted on 02/09/2007 8:33:52 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Lincoln may have been a Republican, but he was also a Liberal and only rarely sided with anything that he didn't take a poll on.


45 posted on 02/09/2007 8:37:29 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: bluecollarman
Lincoln was a considered a mainstream Republican not a member of the "radical" element of his party. His views were spot-center of the typical northern American citizen. We have to think in context of times. The choices that he made were, on balance, were the correct ones for this country and all its people (Black, White, Southern, and Northern). You would be hard pressed to find any historian (reputable) who thinks he was not a great (not perfect) president. The biggest problem ordinary people of today have is an inability to think in historical context. The political realities of any time dictate what can and cannot be done (and said). The South was especially hurt by his assassination. This allowed radical Republicans to dictate a harsh and brutal occupation which led to the inevitable backlash and the formation of black codes. Any attempt to now position Lincoln in the racial debate of today is counterproductive and smacks of an agenda (liberal) to discredit a great man. The obvious answer is that they wish to destroy truths about American History to begin to fabricate their own. The subliminal liberal agenda is one of "How can America be a great country with racists such as Lincoln as one of their (our) so-called great presidents". Think about it and defend American heroes such Washington and Lincoln. They were the type of men that carried this country through extremely difficult times at great personal cost. Do not let them or other men of their ilk (Robert E. Lee) comes to mind, ever be slandered.
46 posted on 02/09/2007 8:37:41 PM PST by beagle9
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To: krb
It sounds like an interesting intellectual excercise to me.

I think it could be, IF handled properly. Which I'll bet it isn't. What I see lacking in all of this sort of "bashing" is any attempt whatsoever to place these things in the context of the times. One learns little from, or about, history if one studies it through the lens of our times only. And that's how I see these sorts of exercises taking place. That's what makes it bashing.

I could be proven wrong, but I suspect that the outcome of this exercise is pre-ordained.

47 posted on 02/09/2007 8:42:55 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

The public school bashing on FR is really lame and old,


Public school get bashed here because like all socialist programs it costs too much and because it has been taken over by proselytizers of marxism and sodomy.


48 posted on 02/09/2007 8:44:08 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Yeah, Lincoln was so racist that the damned slaves were freed anyway. Lilly white Andrew Johnson saw to that.

Doesn't matter what the communitiy college does. Abe's defense atty will bring up the fact that Lincoln was gay, the crowd will gasp and a bright star will appear over and hush the crowd.

He'll then be coronated.


49 posted on 02/09/2007 8:44:16 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Celebrate Monocacy!)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
The public school bashing on FR is really lame and old...

I couldn't agree with you more.

50 posted on 02/09/2007 8:46:25 PM PST by HoosierHawk (Republicans - The Party of Lincoln)
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