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Christians scared of confronting mohammed-worship
febrile mind | 2-10-2007 | Urbane Guerilla

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:50:35 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla

The Hope of The West, Is with the Hopeless of mohammed-worship

Half the folks on FR cannot conceive of criticizing religion, period. To these Freepers, belief in religion is the measure of a person's goodness, and perhaps of their sanity and their judgment too.

Consequently, there are a good many conservatives on this board who cannot bring themselves to understand or to oppose the grave threat of islam to the beautiful, astonishing and purely American gift to the world, liberty and freedom.

Personally, I am an agnostic who has the utmost respect for religion, for the belief in God, for moral principals, and for the idea that our lives should be lived according to the more lofty concept of life religion (as the West understands it, and the East also) given to us from centuries of intense thought and religious practice.

To me, religion mostly reflects the best in the nature of men. I just do not think it is logical or defensible in its particulars, and believe that the best of religious conclusions (The Golden Rule and, more deeply, compassion), can be inferred from this bizarre and inexplicable existence we share based on what is in our brains, if we use our brains dispassionately.

This is the truth, American conservatives: in facing islam objectively, the evaluation has necessary implications for belief in any religion, including Christianity.

Anyone who has studied islam understands that it is, in reality, the worship of mohammed, among the worst humanity has to offer, a man who made himself a god, who lived among those he understood could be manipulated for the benefit of his own bizzare self-satisfaction. islam is the worship of a demented man who truly believed that sadistic excruciating pain was the deserved response to anyone who expressed any disagreement with his exalted Fantasies about himself.

What is so laughable about islam is that mohammed-worshippers believe there is any valid comparison between Jesus and mohammed (and in reality they do not, they hate Jesus and all Jesus means). That is why mohammed-worshippers in fact disparage Jesus as he is understood not only by Christians, but also by anybody who perceives Jesus to be the thinking, feeling, extraordinary man, who bequeathed humanity the Greatest Story Ever Told, much to the historical benefit of men.

Yet Jesus was a man, as mohammed was a man, and when Christians contemplate Jesus as the explanation for what is the unfathomable reality of existence, they necessarily confront the absurdity that a man has penetrated that mystery hidden to us.

I can see it. I can see Christians who flinch because they see the implication of calling mohammed for what he was, because it implies that Jesus was who he was, regardless of who was better or worse.

Hitler and Lincoln have some rare trait in common, something you and I do not have.

True, the logical case for Jesus is overwhelming, compared to mohammed's case.

But both cases depend on the believer regarding the evidence by thinking with assent. Both cases depend upon a predisposition to believe. Probably because believers personally like what they perceive to be the result.

And that is why some Christians do not even want to start questioning the case for the pyschopathic god, for mohammed.

But ex-worshippers of mohammed are more reaslistic and direct.

They categorically understand the absurdity, the evil, the inhumanity of mohammed worship, and they are not burdened with the albatross of loving a man as a god for insupportable reasons.

Former worshippers of mohammed are the make or break human resource in preserving American freedom and liberty.

They do not have the psychological barrier of ulterior motives.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianity; islam
islam is the worship of mohammed. if you do not know that, examine your thinking. Our children face the long consequences of the violent, hateful centuries mohammed-worshippers persistently inflicted on those who thought humanity should be based on some idea of love.
1 posted on 02/09/2007 11:50:38 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
.......islam is the worship of a demented man who truly believed that sadistic excruciating pain was the deserved response to anyone who expressed any disagreement with his exalted Fantasies about himself.

Well Said.
Says it all.

2 posted on 02/10/2007 12:01:02 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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I can well understand the point attempted by this thread.

It is well understood by any thinking person in the Western Democracies (Christendom) that Islamism poses a direct and mortal challenge to our very existence. And, that this protracted civilizational conflict will demand sacrifice downstream that our citizens cannot even perceive at this juncture, if, in fact, we are to prevail.

That being said, I consider the above piece by Urbane Guerilla to be grossly insulting to my fellow Freepers; and so disjointed and simplistic in its thesis that it warrants no further comment.

/s/ Captain Daniel K. Pope IV, USN (Ret)
3 posted on 02/10/2007 12:30:27 AM PST by dk/coro
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To: Fiddlstix
.......islam is the worship of a demented man who truly believed that sadistic excruciating pain was the deserved response to anyone who expressed any disagreement with his exalted Fantasies about himself.

And it doesn't help matters that his followers were/are a bunch of inbred misfits and psychos.

Note the tag line.

4 posted on 02/10/2007 12:33:49 AM PST by SantosLHalper (Muslims - The first to cry for tolerance. The first to behead you when you don't agree with them.)
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To: dk/coro

grossly insulting to my fellow Freepers; and so disjointed and simplistic in its thesis that it warrants no further comment.

I agree


5 posted on 02/10/2007 12:41:58 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Personally, I am an agnostic

I guess we all know where your headed.


6 posted on 02/10/2007 12:43:16 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: SantosLHalper


Note the tag line.

Muslims - The first to cry for tolerance. The first to behead you when you don't agree with them.

The "New Progressive" Democrats - The first to cry for tolerance. The first to put you in jail(or perhaps do away with you) when you don't agree with them thinking they do society a favor.


7 posted on 02/10/2007 12:54:41 AM PST by Bittersweetmd (God is Great and greatly to be praised.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Thanks for your post. I agree, but I think a more winnable approach is from whoever said:

"I don't care if you worship tomato sauce, just don't try to kill me in the name of holy produce."


8 posted on 02/10/2007 1:01:28 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Jesus Said: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life - no one comes to the Father except through Me"
John 14:6

So, Jesus is a) a liar, b) a megalomaniac, or c) the One True God - which makes Allah and his side-kick Mohammed a dead-end and a lie.

9 posted on 02/10/2007 1:10:27 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: dk/coro
I totally agree with you, but then I'm not an intellectual.

Just a simple Believer.

Go Navy!
10 posted on 02/10/2007 2:32:44 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

I issue this challenge to all Muslims. READ THE BIBLE. I have read their Koran and it is written that they (Muslims) should defer to people of the book (Christians and Jews). Most Muslims use the disjointed inconsistant and contradictory verses of the Koran for their own demented desires.


11 posted on 02/10/2007 3:37:50 AM PST by Machavelli (True God)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Half the folks on FR cannot conceive of criticizing religion, period. To these Freepers, belief in religion is the measure of a person's goodness, and perhaps of their sanity and their judgment too.




What in the world are you talking about? Half? There may be a few who have thought that way, and I can only recount maybe one, who I thought was a troll anyway. But that's not the point anyway, the point is that for some reason you hope to insult Christians; you have no basis for claiming half of FR is afraid to condemn islam.


12 posted on 02/10/2007 3:42:32 AM PST by kenth (I wish compassionate conservatives were more compassionate to conservatism.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
"This is the truth, American conservatives: in facing islam objectively, the evaluation has necessary implications for belief in any religion, including Christianity."

That's only a half-truth. When a "religion" promotes outlawed servitude of women, cruelty and murder in that religion's name, that "religion" is best regulated by laws even to its point of extinction.

Islam is a cult - islamites are a decieved lot.

13 posted on 02/10/2007 3:50:00 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: garylmoore

You have no idea where this guy is headed. Baptist?


14 posted on 02/10/2007 3:58:28 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Former worshippers of mohammed are the make or break human resource in preserving American freedom and liberty. They do not have the psychological barrier of ulterior motives.

This is an acute observation. When applied to Obama, I'm left with the pregnant question, "Where are his fruits of faith, when he claims he is Christian?" For this reason, I suspect he is much more adroit at duplicity and possibly even more Muslim than many suspect.

15 posted on 02/10/2007 4:01:15 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: dk/coro

Second you on that.


16 posted on 02/10/2007 4:07:47 AM PST by right way right (bummer. It's almost as bad as being born in a manger. You gotta start somewhere.( www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

BTW, if you have doubts FReepers do not criticize religion, you may want to visit the Religion threads for a while. IMHO, the contrary is probably more frequently espoused.

WRT Islam, a very good argument may be made that the reason Islam is not true is that it focuses upon religion instead of upon how to have a relationship with God on His grounds.

There are many facets of Islam which mirror Christian religion, however those facets also reveal false religion. Religion isn't evil when practised through faith in Christ, but in and if itself, indpendent of God's inspiration, it becomes a clanging cymbal and unholy thinking.

The consequences of such religion are ultimately evil, even when the evironment might be actually peaceful amongst its practitioners, it is nevertheless parlayed into evil by the Adversary and ultimately good for nothingness.

If one focuses on physical violence as testimony of evil in Islam, one is missing the root of its evil and may be distracted from understanding the significance of a true belief in God through Christ.

Such a statement to an unbeliever appears as though one religion is judging another, therefore hypocritical, but that is a reasoning of the soul without understanding of what the regenerate human spirit means. The more primary issue is how humans are able to have a relationship with God. It boils down to a simple humility to Him, allowing His gift of faith to be received by the believer.

Once this happens truly, there is a very real life given to the believer which was never before possibly understood to the unbeliever.

In the Greek, the same word is used for belief and faith. That significant meaning is more primal than the English meanings of the respective words used in secular culture. Until one has a grasp of that meaning and lives by it in one's thinking, the significance of believing in God through faith in Christ as wholly and holy disecernible from all other counterfeit religions is not understood.


17 posted on 02/10/2007 4:21:18 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

You said-"But both cases depend on the believer regarding the evidence by thinking with assent. Both cases depend upon a predisposition to believe. Probably because believers personally like what they perceive to be the result."

Non believers like you then are predisposed to not believe. That's right, we believe in predestination. Whether you change your beliefs in the future based on something not yet revealed to you is already known by your Father in heaven.
Remember, the One who is in us is stronger than the one who is in you.
The devil goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
Even the devil believes, and he trembles.
I don't expect an answer from you as you have answered no other posts on this thread.
Praying for you, WMM


18 posted on 02/10/2007 4:21:20 AM PST by westmichman (They cried "Peace, peace," but there is no peace.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Just so you know, loving Jesus doesn't mean giving up your weapons.

One thing I do understand about your post is your fustration.

The peace of knowing Gods Love through Jesus Christ would set you free from fear of Satan.

Mohammed is Satan.

19 posted on 02/10/2007 4:23:25 AM PST by right way right (bummer. It's almost as bad as being born in a manger. You gotta start somewhere.( www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Half the folks on FR cannot conceive of criticizing religion, period. To these Freepers, belief in religion is the measure of a person's goodness, and perhaps of their sanity and their judgment too.

Interesting. Could you please post your research, results and methodology?

20 posted on 02/10/2007 4:31:28 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

I often see immigrant high school and college age Muslim ladies,
and wonder if they know what life will have in store for them,
sure in America, their relatively safe from Islamic fanatics,
for now.

Given a chance for liberty,
who would want Islamic law for their children?
Not Muslims around here,
they just haven't figured that out yet,
probally a serious lack of not seeing it in action.

The press would have you believe some want to live under Islamic laws,
like they want to be in a Burka under the desert heat,
wish they would show examples of the real oppression of it,
than Muslim immigrants would better understand
the real horrors of living under Islamic laws,
and the cruelty it will impose on them and their children.


21 posted on 02/10/2007 4:32:54 AM PST by Son House ( The Presidents enemies, are my enemies.)
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To: normy

You have no idea where this guy is headed. Baptist?

Nope, not Baptist, just a believer and without a doubt, know!


22 posted on 02/10/2007 10:46:40 PM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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