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Pelosi flies disputed military jet home [nonstop!]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Feb 10, 2007

Posted on 02/11/2007 4:22:42 PM PST by John Jorsett

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the subject of Republican criticism for her mode of air travel, flew home nonstop Thursday night aboard a 12-seat military aircraft set aside for use by lawmakers.

Republican House members, aided by friendly radio and television talk show hosts, created a political tempest this week, claiming Pelosi was pressuring the Pentagon for the use of an "Air Force Three" and a "flying Lincoln Bedroom." Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, however, the administration has required the speaker -- then Republican Dennis Hastert of Illinois -- to travel home and on official business using military planes for security reasons.

House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood said he had asked the Pentagon to provide a plane large enough to fly Pelosi nonstop to San Francisco, citing the security concerns.

Even the White House defended the Democratic speaker. The president's spokesman, Tony Snow, on Thursday called the criticism "unfair" and the flap "a silly story."

Pelosi flew nonstop from the nation's capital to San Francisco to attend the funeral services of the late Lt. Gov. Leo McCarthy aboard a C-37A, the military's version of a Gulfstream V that can travel 6,300 miles. It is one of the planes used regularly by Hastert, Pelosi's office and the Pentagon said.

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1 posted on 02/11/2007 4:22:44 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

Just call her QUEEN NANCY!

God how I detest hypocrites and double standards!


2 posted on 02/11/2007 4:24:03 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: John Jorsett

Twelve seats vs. 42. Same non-stop capability.


3 posted on 02/11/2007 4:24:14 PM PST by ikka
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To: John Jorsett

"It is one of the planes used regularly by Hastert, Pelosi's office and the Pentagon said."


So I guess the plane CAN make it coast to coast without refueling after all, despite Pelosi's claims to the contrary, when she used it as a reason to try to get a bigger plane.



4 posted on 02/11/2007 4:25:14 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: John Jorsett

Of course she can fly nonstop, Pelosi is so full of gas she could make it round trip.


5 posted on 02/11/2007 4:25:59 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: ikka
Twelve seats vs. 42. Same non-stop capability.

The socialist "mainstream" newsrooms didn't want you to notice that.

It is one of the planes used regularly by Hastert

6 posted on 02/11/2007 4:26:34 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: John Jorsett

Does the plane have ejection seats for the crew?


7 posted on 02/11/2007 4:27:11 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: John Jorsett

Here's the C-37A:

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=91


8 posted on 02/11/2007 4:28:24 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: John Jorsett
"Stretch" has to just make do ...


9 posted on 02/11/2007 4:28:55 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("God made liquor and God made brew, so ugly people could have sex too" - unknown)
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To: John Jorsett
I think I understand why she requested 'this' military air trans...

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10 posted on 02/11/2007 4:28:58 PM PST by nctexan
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To: John Jorsett

The Gulfstream V is a very nice aircraft.


11 posted on 02/11/2007 4:32:01 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: proudofthesouth
If you're stoned on pot, you can imagine a Republican acting so self-important and the MSM being this indifferent. Otherwise, the reality of a Republican acting like Queen Pelosi and getting away unscathed and without any criticism is just too silly and too unlikely. Good thing she's concerned for the environment as she spews out tons of extra fuel in the larger jet just to be sure she gets her little rump back to the plantation (i.e., the vineyard where illegal and non-union labor picks her grapes). Isn't it grand to have a woman of the people in charge?
12 posted on 02/11/2007 4:32:20 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Hagel, Obama, Voinovich and Biden making the world safe for Iranian terrorists.)
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To: John Jorsett
I like this one from David Lunde.


13 posted on 02/11/2007 4:32:27 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: John Jorsett

I think the whole thing has been ridiculous from the beginning. There should never have been passed a law stating that the Speaker should have military transport for security reasons. The President deserves it. The Vice President deserves it. Nobody else in the line of succession needs it. They don't get Secret Security protection, why the need for a miltiary plane? And if the second in line of succession needs a plane for security reasons then why not the third in line? And the fouth? And the 10th? Congress should repeal this stupid idea.


14 posted on 02/11/2007 4:32:59 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: John Jorsett

Maybe they mid-air refueled. /sarc


15 posted on 02/11/2007 4:33:35 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: John Jorsett

People on the left think that military folks are thugs, rapists and murderers. Yet they seem happy to travel on military planes with military crews. It's odd.


16 posted on 02/11/2007 4:34:04 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: John Jorsett

"Tony Snow, on Thursday called the criticism "unfair" and the flap "a silly story."

And just what is 300,000 bucks cost one way is so unfair or silly, Tony??


17 posted on 02/11/2007 4:34:32 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Reagan would vote for Hunter)
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To: FairOpinion

Did you notice in the story how the House Sergeant at Arms took the rap for the request for the larger plane and how they said Tony Snow was all for nancy getting her plane.?

They also blamed the whole affair on Republican House members.

When the Dem machine gets rolling truth is long gone.


18 posted on 02/11/2007 4:34:55 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: elhombrelibre; proudofthesouth
If you're stoned on pot, you can imagine a Republican acting so self-important and the MSM being this indifferent.

Remember the press Newt Gingrich got when he complained about sitting in the back of Air Force One back in 1995?

19 posted on 02/11/2007 4:35:28 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: John Jorsett
"Air Force Three"

Whose air force?

20 posted on 02/11/2007 4:36:21 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: FairOpinion
Did't I hear that one of her reasons for needing the larger plane was to fly lobbyists to California? Now, that has the appearance of corruption ...
21 posted on 02/11/2007 4:36:27 PM PST by ArmyTeach
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To: John Jorsett

I hope you all realize these stories of pelosi wanting a military jet for domestic flights is bogus. She really wants the longest leggy ranged aircraft so she can confer with our enemies under the guise of diplomatic missions.

:-(


22 posted on 02/11/2007 4:37:33 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I think the whole thing has been ridiculous from the beginning.... Congress should repeal this stupid idea.

I don't have a problem with this. Lots of VIP's fly on military aircraft -- from the first lady to high-ranking military leaders. The speaker of the house needs to have good communications with Washington at all times, so it makes sense to travel on military planes. It was only when she requested a 757 that I thought she went too far.

23 posted on 02/11/2007 4:39:05 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: John Jorsett
Great Circle distance from Washington to San Francisco is a little over 2100 nautical miles.

Less than half the range of a G-V.

And she had the gall to complain about "having to refuel"?

24 posted on 02/11/2007 4:39:59 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: John Jorsett

She flew home for the funeral of another Dem politico! So, would that be $600,000 round-trip?

Queen Nancy indeed.


25 posted on 02/11/2007 4:40:06 PM PST by originalbuckeye (I want a hero....I'm holding out for a hero (politically!))
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To: 68skylark
To San Francisco, no less. Now, haven't the SF city fathers declared San Francisco to be a military-free zone? And Nancy wants the military to fly her to SF? The only explanation is blind hypocrisy.
26 posted on 02/11/2007 4:40:18 PM PST by ArmyTeach
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To: John Jorsett
Okay, sure, a Gulfstream V is not a B-757, but it is one of the sweetest aircraft flying. I think Rush has one, which is probably why it isn't good enough for Her Highness. Only the ultra rich would think a G5 is beneath them.
27 posted on 02/11/2007 4:41:56 PM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: ikka

Believe me, I'm no Nancy Pelosi fan, but we should stick to the facts. As was pointed out earlier, the smaller aircraft can fly the route non-step IF the weather conditions/atmospherics are right. Sometimes they will be, sometimes they won't. The larger aircraft would always be able to fly the route non-stop.


28 posted on 02/11/2007 4:42:17 PM PST by seanmerc
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To: proudofthesouth

queen? She's more like the ultimate salon addict: hair nails nails hair makeup hair makeup all the time. She strikes me as the neighborhood mob princess who made it all the way to the speakership. Only a Dem could do that.


29 posted on 02/11/2007 4:44:10 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: seanmerc
As was pointed out earlier, the smaller aircraft can fly the route non-step IF the weather conditions/atmospherics are right and the smaller aircraft starts with the fuel tanks half full.

Starting with FULL tanks, a Gulfstream V can fly from Washington to SF AND BACK without refueling.

30 posted on 02/11/2007 4:46:34 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: seanmerc
Believe me, I'm no Nancy Pelosi fan, but we should stick to the facts. As was pointed out earlier, the smaller aircraft can fly the route non-step IF the weather conditions/atmospherics are right. Sometimes they will be, sometimes they won't. The larger aircraft would always be able to fly the route non-stop

Bad weather can reduce the plane's range from 6300 miles to 2100?

31 posted on 02/11/2007 4:46:45 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Actually, I do remember it and was thinking the other day what an excellent example that is when we consider how fawning the MSM is to Democrats and how obstreperous they are toward the Republicans.
32 posted on 02/11/2007 4:48:19 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Hagel, Obama, Voinovich and Biden making the world safe for Iranian terrorists.)
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To: John Jorsett

Should, God forbid, Hillary become President she will probably demand a golden litter carried by slaves just like the Queen of Sheba.


33 posted on 02/11/2007 4:49:12 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: John Jorsett

Liberals sure like the military when it serves to coach them around.


34 posted on 02/11/2007 4:49:40 PM PST by Red6 (Come and get it.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

No it can't. It can reduce to it but not to that level.


35 posted on 02/11/2007 4:51:43 PM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: John Jorsett
I really see no problem with her request to fly non stop from DC to San Francisco.

The job does have it's perks

Park her ass in a seat like every other normal person, skip the rest of the liberal limousine requests.

36 posted on 02/11/2007 4:51:43 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: 68skylark
The speaker of the house needs to have good communications with Washington at all times, so it makes sense to travel on military planes.

The Speaker wasn't issued a military plane until after 9/11. It's a waste of resources, always has been and always will be.

37 posted on 02/11/2007 4:51:55 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: The Great RJ
Should, God forbid, Hillary become President she will probably demand a golden litter carried by slaves just like the Queen of Sheba.

I can see that in my mind's eye.

The horror. The horror.

38 posted on 02/11/2007 4:53:16 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: proudofthesouth

High-flying adored.


39 posted on 02/11/2007 4:55:45 PM PST by kcar (My keyboard has been drinking, not me)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Bad weather can reduce the plane's range from 6300 miles to 2100?

No, but I can see a scenario where you might have to fly a long distance out of your way to avoid a bad weather front. Of course, a weather front like that would be bleedin' obvious before you even file your flight plan. In which case you would simply not take off in the first place if you were unwilling to make a refueling stop.

40 posted on 02/11/2007 5:00:07 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

$5000 an hour plus crew costs


41 posted on 02/11/2007 5:01:03 PM PST by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

And the govt. wants me to pay taxes for crap like this.


42 posted on 02/11/2007 5:02:27 PM PST by jocko12
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To: John Jorsett

The bigger plane was all about more seats to allow access,ie the donor express.I'm sure there were several coffees planned.


43 posted on 02/11/2007 5:06:24 PM PST by bonehead4freedom (Rhinos don't win elections ,conservatives do !)
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To: John Jorsett

The 89th Airlift Wing’s 99th Airlift Squadron, Andrews Air Force Base, Md., operates four C-37A's. The 6th Air Mobility Wing’s 310th Airlift Squadron, MacDill AFB, Fla., operates three C-37A's. Both the 15th Airlift Wing, 65th Airlift Squadron at Hickam AFB, Hawaii, and the 86th Airlift Wing, 309th Airlift Squadron, at Chievres Air Base, Belgium, have one C-37A.

General Characteristics

Primary Function: Special air missions

Builder: Gulfstream Aerospace Corp.

Power Plant: Two BMW/Rolls Royce BR710A1-10 high bypass

ratio turbofan engines Thrust: 14,750 pounds each engine Length: 96 feet, 5 inches (29.38 meters) Height: 25 feet, 11 inches (7.9 meters) Wingspan: 93 feet, 6 inches (28.5 meters) Speed: 600 mph (.885 Mach) maximum Maximum Altitude: 51,000 feet (15,545 meters) Maximum Takeoff Weight: 90,500 pounds (41,050 kilograms) Range: 6,300 miles (5,500 nautical miles) normal cruise Load: 12 passengers Unit Cost: $36 million (1998 constant dollars) Crew: Five Date Deployed: 1998 Inventory: Active force, 9; Air National Guard, 0; Reserve, 0

44 posted on 02/11/2007 5:09:25 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: John Jorsett
I think of this story and I always come up with this image:


45 posted on 02/11/2007 5:10:05 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: jocko12
I think we ought to lock the place up and only let them meet 1 week a year. Greyhound (round trip) tickets should be issued at no cost. Jasons could cater "lunch boxes" Motel 6 could provide sleeping arrangements. 2 to a room. No pets.
46 posted on 02/11/2007 5:10:18 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: FairOpinion

The G-5 can fly from D.C. to San Fran, make a 180 turn and return to D.C. NonStop. Pelosi and her cadre always knew that! They wanted a plane equivalent to the Vice Presidents as a symbol of power(eg. actually decadence).


47 posted on 02/11/2007 5:20:29 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: John Jorsett
So the smaller plane can make it non-stop?

This gives new meaning to her nickname "Stretch."
48 posted on 02/11/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by LurkingSince1943 (Former War Criminal)
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To: GBA

Teresa Heinz has a Gulfstream 3 by comparison and it will make the same DC to SF run with over a 1000 nm still in reserve. This story that she needed a nonstop plane and hence the 757 was and is a pile of crap! The Gulfstream just was too small for her perceived new status and those of her Entourage.


49 posted on 02/11/2007 5:27:51 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: John Jorsett; All

I agree and understand the need for security .. since the speaker is the next person in line to the Presidency - if something should happen to the Pres and the VP.

However, I really felt the 42 seater was a bit much .. AND TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. The 12 seater could easily make the non-stop trip.

And .. while the dims are whining so much about the deficit .. it was a bit irritating for her to insist on spending hundreds of thousands of dollars WEEKLY for a trip home.

Besides .. landing to refuel (if necessary) at a military base could have easily been accommodated.


50 posted on 02/11/2007 5:32:53 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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