Was Giuliani a Bum on 9/10/01?

Realclearpolitics ^ | 02/09/07 | Tom Bevan

[Clemenza]

Rudy's not a bum, just a Rockefeller Republican scumbag, both as a person and a politician.

[word_warrior_bob]

Agreed. SOME people hated Giuliani, of course, but even before 9/11 he was famous all over as the guy who helped clean up New York.

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Before 9/11 there were "students" and other losers doing goose-stepping Nazi rallies denouncing Rudy. I distinctly remember a black "protest" like this.

Shows you how grateful they were for saving so many black lives in the areas he cleaned up and policed, maybe if he was a real Nazi-racist he would have ignored your neighborhoods and stepped down policing and let the criminals run the projects the way Dinkins did.

At the time Rudy took over, you didn't even want to go to the city, the thugs thought when Dinkins became mayor that it was time to take over things, and they did. They said the city was "ungovernable" it was, if you were a passive, timid, liberal moron.

[stockstrader]

Not if you're a gun-grabbing, pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro big govt, pro-amnesty, Clinton-apologist, liberal. In those cases, he would be a dream come true!

[Biblebelter]

On 9/10, Rudy was a RINO, a label that has been used so often on FR, it has almost lost its meaning. Rudy was truly a Republican in Name Only on 9/10. On 9/11, Rudy was a leader whose party affiliation was at the time entirely irrelevant. And now after, 9/12 Rudy somehow is being taken seriously as a REPUBLICAN candidate for President. Life can change in an instant, but one's politics do not change instantaneously and Rudy is still a RINO, even if RINOs have become so ubiquitous as to become a cliche.

I seriously doubt that you even knew who Rudy Giuliani WAS on 9/10/01

You are wrong about that. Rudy and I share a very serious mental disorder, we are both die hard Yankee fans.

[presidio9]

That disease can redeem a lot of flaws in my mind, but not all...

[7thson]

I don't think you quite understnad what I was said. The difference between Katrina and what is happening in upstate New York - or in the midwest or in Colorado - is that New Orleans represented over 60 years of a entitlement society. They believed they had no personal responsibility to take care of themselves. The other areas do not have that mentality.

[7thson]

Very good!

[Kenny Bunk]

Of 8.5mm residents, there are 2.5mm hispanics, 800,000 Italians, 700,000 Irish, 350,000 Poles, and 100,000 Philipinos

And to you this looks good for Republicans? I'd say those 2.5 m Hispanics are going to throw the city to the Democrat in any race. This Hispanic thing is now the wild card all over the state. Combine their overwhelmingly Democrat vote with the African-American vote at 98% Democrat, The Jewish vote at 90% Democrat (most of the time), and the steady 52% of women who'll vote for Democrat and you come up with a state that would not vote for Teddy Rooselvelt or Abraham Lincoln, even if they had Jesus Christ as a running mate.

Let us bid a fond ¡Adios Amigos! to the Republican Party in New York State. In the 50s and 60s the European ethnic balance occasionally gave the Republicans a Chance. Now? Fuggedaboutit. ¡Viva América!

[Alberta's Child]

Interesting information. I've long speculated that Giuliani has never had any intention of running for the White House -- because being a "prospective candidate" has been far more lucrative for him than a "former candidate" or "actual candidate" would be.

[Kenny Bunk]

New York, New York, it's a wonderful town.
The Bronx is up
And the Battery's down.

[presidio9]

I don't deny that, but I also think that Giuliani could well take NY State in a Presidential election. He was, after all, elected mayor of NYC, and much of the rest of the state votes Republican. Hillary Clinton's relationship with Arafat's wife could end up turning off a lot of Jews when given the choice of the pro-Israel Giuliani. He would get the Italian and Irish votes, and it would be up to the Democrats to get the Blacks and Hispanics to the polls. It's not out of the question. And the Democrats can not win without NY. That being said, I will definitely NOT vote for Giuliani in the primary.

[presidio9]

Interesting information. I've long speculated that Giuliani has never had any intention of running for the White House -- because being a "prospective candidate" has been far more lucrative for him than a "former candidate" or "actual candidate" would be

That's asinine. George Bush has been president ever since Giuliani was a "prospective candidate." This is the first opportunity that he has had to declare, and he has done so.

[hosepipe]

Any heros on 9/11 are DEAD...

Polititians grabbing photo-ops are not..
Giuliani did his job.. you know.. that he was paid handsomely for..
Being better than Dinkins at it?.. well anybody would have been..

[Alberta's Child]

The MSM changed from the man who cleaned up NYC to the Nazi image that the far left used to attack him.

It wasn't just the MSM that was responsible for this. There were several high-profile incidents involving NYPD officers shooting innocent civilians that didn't help Giuliani's image at that time, too.

[Alberta's Child]

Katrina showed the corruption of the LA local and state governments. However, dealing with 12ft of Snow is quite different than being under 12+ft of Water.

This isn't the first time a northern region of this country has been "overlooked" in the face of a crisis like this. One of the worst natural calamities in my lifetime was a major ice storm across upstate New York and eastern Canada back in 1998. Most people probably don't even remember it because it didn't get a lot of media attention, but it was far worse than a hurricane in many respects.

For one thing, it covered a much larger region than the path of a hurricane. And the impact of this storm was devastating (see photo below) . . . with huge high-tension towers crumpled to the ground under the weight of the ice, leaving thousands of people all over New York State and eastern Canada without heat, electricity, etc. for 4-6 weeks after the storm -- in the dead of winter, with temperatures reaching as low as -30 on the coldest days.

[finnman69]

On 9/10 rudy was a great mayor.

[presidio9]

It wasn't just the MSM that was responsible for this. There were several high-profile incidents involving NYPD officers shooting innocent civilians that didn't help Giuliani's image at that time, too.

Actually, there was one. Abner Louima, who reached inside his jacket when armed police officers in uniform told him to put his hands up. There was also the bizarre case of NYPD officers raping inmate Abner Louima with a plunger. The media and Al Sharpton took the opportunity to blame both incidents on Giuliani. The media did NOT, howver take the opportunity to blame the even more egregious shooting of Sean Bell on Michael Bloomberg. Nope, no double standard there.

[joylyn]

I didn't notice any "Rudy fatigue" prior to 9/11. I'm sure he could have been re-elected.

Many liberals in NYC -- and there are a lot of them -- considered Giuliani slightly to the right of Hitler prior to 9/11. I remember Susan Sarandon in front of the Brooklyn Museum denouncing Giuliani after he threatened to pull the museum's funding when they displayed a painting of the Virgin Mary decorated with pornographic cutouts of vaginas and anuses. (This was the famous "elephant dung" painting, but the media somehow never mentioned the porno collage element.) Still, I think a lot of people, even here, considered Giuliani a hero for calling the museum to task.

[Alberta's Child]

You mentioned Louima twice, so I'm assuming the first one was supposed to be a reference to the Amadou Diallo case.

I would add the Anthony Baez and Patrick Dorismond cases to that list, too.

[presidio9]

The Diallo case was the only one that had any traction, because the other men died while they were physically fighting with police officers.