Skip to comments.No Escape: Male Rape In U.S. Prisons
Posted on 02/12/2007 11:22:29 AM PST by B-Chan
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--Once, if you count the brig on the ship.--
I was on the Enterprise. You really must have screwed up big time. Is that why you are so angry?
Yeah, Meyer Lansky was our cappo.
None of the thousands of friends or professional associates that I have known over my lifetime have ever been to jail.
I never knew them personally, but the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr went to jail more than a few times. So did the Apostle Paul.... Just because you have been in jail doesnt' make you a horrible person for the rest of your life. And I hate to say this being a black person, it is possible to have a relative in jail and a different relative that is a physician or dentist or teacher. I am speaking from experience.
I feel sorry for you that you do not realize that otherwise good and decent people might not mention embarrassing episodes in their past.
--And I hate to say this being a black person, --
None of my black friends or co-workers have been in jail either.
--I feel sorry for you that you do not realize that otherwise good and decent people might not mention embarrassing episodes in their past.--
Aren't you just a little p!ssed off about this?
I am not saying that all black people go to jail, but I bet if you ask any of you black co-workers, they can name a family member or friend that has been in or is in jail.
You see anger where there is none. That says something about you.
--I am not saying that all black people go to jail, but I bet if you ask any of you black co-workers, they can name a family member or friend that has been in or is in jail.--
I think not. Same for my friends.
"Aren't you just a little p!ssed off about this?"
--You see anger where there is none. That says something about you.--
I only saw this.
Jokes confuse you, don't they?
Sorry about your luck.
> Try to keep up with the context of the conversation.
Uhh, no -- try not to shift the goalposts. You said:
>> Ministering to those in prison does not include stopping the punishment that *comes with being in prison*.
I observed that there *is* no legitimate punishment that "comes with being in prison." Being imprisoned *is* the punishment.
Good people -- not just Christians -- have an obligation to ensure that the prison experience comprises nothing more and nothing less than the removal of liberties.
> ANYONE that is not a member of the Body of Christ is bound by the laws of nature and of Moses.
Athiests, wiccans, Hindoos, Sikhs and idol worshipers would all argue that they are *not* bound by the laws of Moses. And Transcendental Meditationalists would probably argue that they are *not necessarily* even bound by the laws of nature. All are protected by your constitution.
I don't see the necessity to turn this into a religious argument: as such it is jolly dull and uninteresting. It is an argument about natural and constitutional Justice: nothing more.
> How many of you that are crying for this man's aching anus and poor little psychie would give a rat's rear about whomever he would have killed had the cops not gotten him off the road?
He is in Gaol as punishment, that is sufficient for me.
As a recidivist DUI he repeatedly put himself and others at an illegal *risk*, but that risk had not, so far, materialized. Nobody was killed.
Whether he ever would have killed anybody is a matter of pure conjecture -- unless you are claiming to be a prophet as well as a preacher it is by no means an established fact that he *would* have killed anybody if the cops hadn't gotten him off the road.
He is a fool, and he has come to a fool's end. That said, I care less about hypothetical victims than I care about real ones. And in his case, he is a real victim of a serious injustice.
I think not. Same for my friends.
Don't make assumptions, ask. I had this discussion with a Navy Captain's wife (who is black and an attorney for a U.S. government entity in Washington D.C- we came to the same conclusion) I'm sure the people you know are great people, it is just an ugly reality. I consider myself a good person, from a good middle class intact family (a Mom and a Dad) and I have a family member that had a brush with the law.
The lack of responses to your post speaks volumes, and the gleeful replies by some who are in effect sanctioning the rapists is flat-out sickening.
Sad day for FR.
He is nothing more than a victim of his own selfishness and stupidity. And as you say, prisoners have NO liberty. Meaning they have NO freedoms or RIGHTS while in prison. In fact, depending upon one's crimes they man have most of their rights stripped from them for the rest of their lives! He's lucky society didn't execute him. Some societies execute prisoners for a lot less.
Now don't snivel to me about how bad a prisoner is being treated. Next time, if he ever gets out, he may wish to obey the law. Otherwise tough luck.
--Don't make assumptions, ask.--
That is one stupid post.
--I had this discussion with a Navy Captain's wife (who is black and an attorney for a U.S. government entity in Washington D.C- we came to the same conclusion) I'm sure the people you know are great people, it is just an ugly reality.--
Not many great people. Just ordinary people.
--I consider myself a good person, from a good middle class intact family (a Mom and a Dad) and I have a family member that had a brush with the law.--
Did he go to jail?
That's the funny thing about our hyper-bureaucracy... there are few people left in the nation who have not violated some edict from our beloved leaders. No citizen can guarantee that they have filled out their taxes with 100% precision (even the IRS itself cannot give consistent answers to basic questions)... if you have enough dollar bills in your pocket, you may have enough residue to earn a cocaine possession charge... heck, spanking your child can now be interpreted as child abuse.
Then ask the Duke lacrosse players or ex-husbands of particularly vindictive women about how facing this kind of thing despite being innocent.
I don't think it is stupid, I think its my opinion, which is what FR is all about.
Just ask, tell them about my post and ask. And yes, the person went to jail but, I'm sure you'll be glad to know, they have been a productive member of society since then. Hugs'n'kisses to you.
You are a blithering fool. Prisoners certainly do retain many, if not most, basic human rights. An incredibly small percentage can potentially face the death penalty, but even then, we require nearly a decade filled with mandatory hearings and appeals that they are entitled to, simply because they are human. Religious rights, due process rights, hell even the "right" to abortions are all recognized for those behind prison walls.
Some societies execute prisoners for a lot less.
Of course... but we're talking about this society... and in this society, decent people do not defend the notion of gang-rape of anyone, for any reason. With your attitude, you'd do well in a Muslim society that condoned gang raping teenaged girls for perceived slights to male family members. Thankfully, most of America isn't joining up for that kind of society yet.
> He is nothing more than a victim of his own selfishness and stupidity.
He is a victim of rape. Multiple times. Rape is a serious crime, no matter where it happens or under what circumstances.
> And as you say, prisoners have NO liberty. Meaning they have NO freedoms or RIGHTS while in prison.
Prisoners have basic Human Rights: including the right not to get raped.
> Now don't snivel to me about how bad a prisoner is being treated.
I bet your brand of "Christianity" is lots of fun to follow, ay! You sound more like the Taliban than a real Christian -- in fact, it is attitudes like yours that give Christians a bad name.
Here's one to you, from Jesus:
(Matthew 7 -- the Sermon on the Mount)
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
And later in the Chapter:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I shall pray for you.