Posted on 02/15/2007 9:01:18 AM PST by Mount Athos
LIFE can become untenable when the Muslim population of a non-Muslim country reaches about 10 per cent, as shown by France, a Jewish expert on Islam says.
The Australian Jewish News yesterday quoted Raphael Israeli as saying Australia should cap Muslim immigration or risk being swamped by Indonesians.
Professor Israeli told the Herald that was a misunderstanding. But he said: "When the Muslim population gets to a critical mass you have problems. That is a general rule, so if it applies everywhere it applies in Australia."
Professor Israeli, an expert on Islamic history from Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has been brought to Australia by the Shalom Institute of the University of NSW. The Australia-Israel Jewish Affairs Council is co-hosting many of his activities.
He said Muslim immigrants had a reputation for manipulating the values of Western countries, taking advantage of their hospitality and tolerance.
"Greeks or Italians or Jews don't use violence. There is no Italian or Jewish Hilaly [a reference to the controversial cleric Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly of Lakemba mosque]. Why?"
Professor Israeli said that when the Muslim population increased, so did the risk of violence.
"Where there are large Muslim populations who are prepared to use violence you are in trouble. If there is only 1 or 2 per cent they don't dare to do it - they don't have the backing of big communities. They know they are drowned in the environment of non-Muslims and are better behaved."
In Australia, Muslims account for about 1.5 per cent of the population.
Professor Israeli said that in France, which has the highest proportion of Muslims in Europe at about 10 per cent, it was already too late. There were regions even the police were scared to enter, and militant Muslims were changing the country's political, economic and cultural fabric, and demanding anti-Semitic and anti-Israel policies.
"French people say they are strangers in their own country. This is a point of no return.
"If you are on a collision course, what can you do? You can't put them all in prison, and anyway they are not all violent. You can't send them all back. You are really in trouble. It's irreversible."
Professor Israeli said that in Australia a few imams had preached violence. "You should not let fundamentalist imams come here. Screen them 1000 times before they are admitted, and after they are admitted screen what they say in the mosque."
He said some Muslims wanted to impose sharia (Islamic law) in their adopted countries, and when propaganda did not work they turned to intimidation.
Professor Israeli said his task was to describe, not prescribe. He also said his warning did not include immigrants, including Muslims, who simply wanted to improve their lot. As long as they respected the law and democracy, their numbers — Buddhist, Muslim or Jew — were immaterial. It became material when a group accepted violence.
"The trains in London and Madrid were not blown up by Christians or Buddhists but by Muslims, so it is them we have to beware," he said.
Keysar Trad, of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said "Not only religious clerics need to be screened before entering Ausralia but also academics … this type of academic does nothing but create hatred, suspicion and division … We should review not only what the man has said but also those who have sponsored him, to see if they endorse those comments."
This is amazing. Someone who actually wrote what a lot of us think. Thank you for the article.
Australia may be the safest place in the world one day.
President Obama or Rodham and it's fair dinkum for me.
What limits would be workable?
How about the limit on Mohammedan immigration being equal to the number who emigrate less the number of births to Muslims living in Australia? If you can keep the Mohammedans from breeding like cockroaches, the number dying will make Mohammedans an extinct army in Australia.
Standard practice of letting their toddlers poop in the seats on an airline should be enough for anybody in making this decision!
So someone finally said it.
All the western countries should totally stop all Muslim immigration.
They don't have to let people who's book tells them to replace the current government with sharia (Islamic law) into the country.
All Muslims by definition have to believe in sharia (Islamic law) That law says it must be supreme over all other law.
Somebody gets it.
George Orwell knew his stuff. Aldus Huxley too!
What?
Someone speaks the truth!
So as long as we monitor them and ensure they aren't becoming "radicalized," we can allow their numbers to increase to what?... Say a third or a half of the population?
I really loved the article but I have to disagree with Zwartz on a couple of points. It's not sufficient for a country to ensure its muslim population is peaceful because that can turn around on a moment's notice. And as the author points out, Australia's muslim population is only 1.5% of the total and Australia is already having tons of problems with its koranimals. The simple truth is, if you have any sense whatsoever, you will not allow muslims to immigrate into your country, or into neighboring countries, and you'll totally outlaw the religion within your own borders. Even that may not save us, what with nukes and missile delivery systems proliferating as rapidly as they are.
"French people say they are strangers in their own country. This is a point of no return.
I confirm. In France, I felt like non-Muslims are now untermenschen in the eyes of the French government. The President sends his best wishes to the Muslims at each Muslim holiday such as Aid el Kebir, but he never, ever wished a merry Christmas to the 90% nominally Christian majority. That's revealing.
You have to understand Islam that Islam is one of the most peaceful religions in the world. Just because the Muslims are violent doesn't mean that the religion teaches violence. [Quran 5:32] "......, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people.
Islam means submission or peace, and Islam does definitely not encourage violence, and if people read and learned what Islam taught then there would be less prejudice.
To set the record straight, muslims have slaughtered more innocent people than all the tyrannies and all the murderers in the world combined. They are liars, thieves, cowards, rapists and murderers who worship an insane, stinking pedophile named mohammad. And why do they do these things? Because the koran commands them to, again and again and again.
It's been a pleasure schooling you.
We are currently letting in 80,000 per year! Insane. Another couple hundred thousand are probably sneaking in.
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