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Rudy Guliani Opts Out of Religious Broadcasters MeetingIs Rudy Going to Ignore Evangelicals?
Associated Content ^ | February 16, 2007 | Jeff Musall

Posted on 02/18/2007 8:00:38 AM PST by WalterSkinner

With the bare fact being that no Republican in recent memory has been able to win a major contest without at least the tacit backing of the religious right, Rudy Guliani might be trying to buck that trend.

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KEYWORDS: christians; electionpresident; elections; evangelicals; giuliani; religion; rino; rudy; rudy2008
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To: JCEccles; All

Well .. you're wasting your breath on me .. I'm not supporting Rudy .. or anybody at the moment!

And .. by the way .. who are YOU supporting that you believe is so much better than Rudy .. or any other candidate.

All I hear people saying is AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST .. nobody's FOR a candidate .. and you know what .. that tactic is what the democrats have been doing for over 6 years .. AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST .. makes me kind of wonder just who you people really are supporting.


201 posted on 02/18/2007 12:49:26 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: WalterSkinner

I haven't come out in support of one candidate or another.

I think that our next candidate needs to be a strong leader in his own right and part of being a leader is getting people to follow you. He gets why we are fighting the war on terror and articulates it well. Just like Reagan articulated the war against the "evil empire" well here and abroad. I don't expect my president to be a religious leader.


202 posted on 02/18/2007 12:53:14 PM PST by kcbc2001
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To: Corin Stormhands

These people are starting to sound like anyone who is for Rudy must be sent to a re-education camp and soon. That's eerily reminiscent of another kind of person than a conservative, if you know what I mean.


203 posted on 02/18/2007 1:01:40 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

I agree with you .. did you see my #201 ..??


204 posted on 02/18/2007 1:07:26 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt

No, I hadn't seen that. I was responding to a ping upthread a ways.

Great minds and all that :-)


205 posted on 02/18/2007 1:08:52 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

I was thinking more along the lines of little children...noting to do with race. Thanks.


206 posted on 02/18/2007 1:11:46 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Corin Stormhands

Now it is a sin to vote for Rudy? This place never ceases to amaze me any more!

Evangelicals I know here are supporting Rudy as well and several of the churches are considering going non-demoninational because of the national leadership that they are saying is out of touch.


207 posted on 02/18/2007 1:21:04 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com/fo)
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To: Peach

Yep!


208 posted on 02/18/2007 1:22:35 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt

So it is your unwavering opinion that Rudy is our one and only chance to defeat the Islamic terrorists? Or are you saying that Rudy is our one and only chance to defeat Hillary? Or is it both? Please clarify so that I'll know what Rudy is saving me from.


209 posted on 02/18/2007 1:24:37 PM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: Blackirish
A pack of hissy fitters on FR means completely nothing

Are you talking about Jim Robinson, me or who on FR?

Why don't you start your own moderate forum if you think conservatives on a conservative site are hissy fitters. See how much excitement you can muster on your own? Don't answer, I already know, your here because you want to push this liberal crap down are throats.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

quote from Jim Robinson:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

Do you honestly believe that people who believe it is wrong to kill babies can justify voting for Rudy?

Do you believe people who think the 2nd amendment is very important for our country to remain free can justify voting for Rudy?

"because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."Matthew 13:13
210 posted on 02/18/2007 1:30:11 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: deaconjim; All

My "unwavering opinion" .. where on earth did you get that from what I said ..??

I'm not supporting Rudy !!!! HELLO!!! ANYBODY WHO CAN READ ENGLISH.

I'm just saying .. it's way too early to be making that kind of judgment about a person. I do like Rudy's determined mindset about the WOT .. but .. will I vote for him .. I DON'T KNOW YET!!

But .. even as an Evangelical .. I WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR AMERICA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR VERY SURVIVAL IS AT STAKE AND IF WE DON'T WIN THIS WAR .. WILL ANYTHING ELSE REALLY BE THAT IMPORTANT ..?? I MEAN RIGHT NOW .. and that has to mean that electing somebody stronger than Hillary on the WOT. And .. if having Rudy is so bad .. HILLARY WOULDN'T BE WORSE ..?? I just don't get the logic that not voting (and getting Hillary by default) would be better than having somebody who doesn't totally agree with my beliefs.

The "I refuse to support these people" non-voters have already gotten us into a mell of a hess, and I sure hope it's only going to last 2 years because even that will be difficult enough to recover from.


211 posted on 02/18/2007 1:38:29 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: PhiKapMom; Corin Stormhands
several of the churches are considering going non-demoninational because of the national leadership that they are saying is out of touch.

Yeah many want abortion, homosexaulity, adultry, accepted in their churches.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.ITim 4:3,4
212 posted on 02/18/2007 1:42:15 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; PhiKapMom

Have you done graduate studies in missing the point?


213 posted on 02/18/2007 1:44:34 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

You are AWESOME!


214 posted on 02/18/2007 1:45:13 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com/fo)
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To: PhiKapMom

Aw shucks. twern't nuthin'


215 posted on 02/18/2007 1:47:08 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands; PhiKapMom

216 posted on 02/18/2007 1:47:13 PM PST by ecurbh (Giuliani 2008 - http://www.rudygforamerica.com/)
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To: ecurbh

*snicker*


217 posted on 02/18/2007 1:53:02 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: ecurbh

Tony Campolo? Even when you're trying to be funny you can't avoid picking a leftist.


218 posted on 02/18/2007 1:56:51 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: CyberAnt

I never said I'm not voting. I just said I'm not voting for Rudy.

I like Rudy's views on the WOT too, but he's not the only one that has them. I just refuse to believe that we have to settle for the likes of Rudy in order to win the WOT. I don't believe that he is our only hope, or that he is even an option for that matter.


219 posted on 02/18/2007 1:58:13 PM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: garv; ecurbh; PhiKapMom

Obviously, you missed the point.


220 posted on 02/18/2007 1:59:38 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

No, I got the point. An ironic choice of authors.


221 posted on 02/18/2007 2:01:26 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: cripplecreek
And you people have adopted every insulting liberal tactic in the book.

Yes they have...

The most notable for me is equating opposition to Giuliani ON THE ISSUES as "hate."

I am an atheist and I will vote with my feet if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate that phony...

222 posted on 02/18/2007 2:04:00 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: CyberAnt
All I hear people saying is AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST .. nobody's FOR a candidate ...

I don't like the perverts, the baby killers, the dopers, the gun grabbers, the illegals or the religion bashers (and I am an atheist).

I will vote for the Ranger and no other...

223 posted on 02/18/2007 2:09:44 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ecurbh

..a book co-authored by two of the apostles of the post-modern emerging church, one of which was Bill Clinton's "spiritual advisor"--this speaks volumes...


224 posted on 02/18/2007 2:24:44 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Delphinium

Out of touch? Geez why dont they just come out and say HEY im ok youre ok.

Im so sick of "feel good" do nothing churches.


225 posted on 02/18/2007 2:36:40 PM PST by OMalley (HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM!!!!! Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Corin Stormhands
What point did I miss about churches wanting their leaders to be more in touch with the society that they live in?

I know the Bible quite well if that's what you are asking, and that's what I go by first. Then I look at the Constitution. After that I consider years of political experience.

When I gave up on the religious forum, you were there arguing about doctrine. What could you share with me from the Bible that would justify voting for such a proabortion, pro-homosexual agenda, pro-gun control candidate?
226 posted on 02/18/2007 2:43:53 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: OMalley
why dont they just come out and say HEY im ok youre ok.

That is exactly what they want.

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jude 1
227 posted on 02/18/2007 2:54:07 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: DCPatriot
You might want to be clearer in the future. Statements such as

"The Religious Right had better get right..and sit in the back seat and STFU!

lend themselves easily to misunderstanding.

Considering the status many "so called" conservatives wish to relegate Christians to these days, you could hardly blame someone who misunderstood the intent of your statement.

I'm glad you clarified your position.

I was thinking more along the lines of little children.

That's so much better when trying to belittle someone because of their belief.

So much better...
228 posted on 02/18/2007 3:04:48 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: deaconjim

"... don't believe he is our only hope ..."


I totally agree. And .. it's still too early to know if he will even be the nominee.

However, if he is the nominee .. I WILL VOTE FOR HIM .. because having Hillary is just out of the question.


229 posted on 02/18/2007 3:18:06 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

And .. the "Ranger" would be whom ..??


230 posted on 02/18/2007 3:18:49 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Hildy

Some of these folks better stash their bunnies.


231 posted on 02/18/2007 3:19:28 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: CyberAnt
And .. the "Ranger" would be whom ..??


232 posted on 02/18/2007 3:30:21 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ecurbh

ROFLOL! That is too funny!


233 posted on 02/18/2007 3:31:34 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com/fo)
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To: CyberAnt
...if he is the nominee .. I WILL VOTE FOR HIM .. because having Hillary is just out of the question.

There isn't a dime's worth of difference... I'll just write in my favorite (don't forget a pen).

234 posted on 02/18/2007 3:32:23 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
"The Religious Right had better get right..and sit in the back seat and STFU!

He is just trying to get us to listen.
235 posted on 02/18/2007 3:35:01 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; areafiftyone; Peach; BunnySlippers; PhiKapMom; HairOfTheDog; ecurbh
What could you share with me from the Bible that would justify voting for such a proabortion, pro-homosexual agenda, pro-gun control candidate?

Probably just as much as you could share that tells me you shouldn't vote for such a candidate. Get me the Scripture that tells us how to vote and we'll start from there.

I am an Evangelical, pro-life, Christian conservative and I am unashamedly supporting Rudy.

Now you and others in your judgemental attitude may, as someone did upthread, tell me that's a "sin."

But after years of political activism for socially conservative causes I have realized that I am fighting those battles in the wrong arena. I've marched up Capitol Hill, but I did far greater good by going to the local Crisis Pregnancy Center and folding laundry or running the vacuum than I ever did on Constitution Avenue.

When I look at the current list of candidates, and I look at the issues that are most crucial to our survival as a nation, I see Rudy emerging as the leader. Was he my first choice? No. But my first choice imploded.

I could accept several (not quite all) of the other choices. And I will support the eventual nominee.

But those who seek to judge my faith, my committement, my conservatism ~all because I support a candidate they don't like ~ are severely mistaken and are consumed by a judgemental attitude for which I can find far more Scriptural condemnation than I can for voting for the "wrong" candidate.

236 posted on 02/18/2007 3:36:43 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; Corin Stormhands

Ummm, Eomer was ~not~ a ranger. You've never read the books, have you?


237 posted on 02/18/2007 3:38:44 PM PST by ecurbh (Giuliani 2008 - http://www.rudygforamerica.com/)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; CyberAnt; ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; PhiKapMom; areafiftyone
I was right, you ARE clueless about The Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, I get the "ranger" reference for Hunter.

But the LOTR ranger was not Eomer. Eomer was a Rider of Rohan.

Aragorn is the "ranger."

You really need to try another analogy. This one ain't workin' for ya.

238 posted on 02/18/2007 3:40:46 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: ecurbh

Does not matter... the personae is identical... I want a warrior... not a limp, tassle shoed lawyer on Viagra shooting blanks...


239 posted on 02/18/2007 3:40:47 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

240 posted on 02/18/2007 3:43:01 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: WalterSkinner
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241 posted on 02/18/2007 3:50:27 PM PST by Fawn (LEMME IN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkMIdfwo32Y&eurl=)
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To: Corin Stormhands


Ok, then if he's the nominee, I will be happy to "sin."
LOL-LOL-LOL


242 posted on 02/18/2007 3:51:54 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; All

Excuse me .. "clueless" .. I don't think so.

I think you're on the wrong thread! I'm talking about politics and you're talking about childhood games and spooks and monsters and garbage stuff like that.

Why don't you go over to the GAMING websites .. because you are definitely CLUELESS about politics!!


243 posted on 02/18/2007 3:54:18 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt; ecurbh
Here, this better for ya?

Either...

1) you forgot your sarcasm tag, or

2) you really are ~clueless~ because you didn't follow ~that~ conversation very well at all.

244 posted on 02/18/2007 3:58:34 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; All

If you don't know the difference between Rudy and Hillary .. then you are voting for Hillary and you hate Rudy and can't bear the thought of him running against her.

How about that ..??

You're a fake non-supporter of Rudy - which makes you a supporter of Hillary. And .. I'm confident Hillary is terrified that Rudy will be the nominee .. and that's why all these threads on FR are so violently against him.

And .. after 8 years of that disgusting nightmare of a presidency .. even a clueless game player could figure out Hillary is not a good choice.


245 posted on 02/18/2007 3:58:36 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Corin Stormhands; All

And .. you have proven what I said was true .. you are a child and clueless about politics.

Good bye!!


246 posted on 02/18/2007 4:00:16 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt
And .. you have proven what I said was true .. you are a child and clueless about politics.

He said as he stomped off in a temper tantrum...

247 posted on 02/18/2007 4:02:32 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com)
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248 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:39 PM PST by Fawn (LEMME IN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkMIdfwo32Y&eurl=)
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To: CyberAnt; SeaBiscuit; BlackbirdSST; Spiff; Liz
you hate Rudy and can't...

Typical leftist tactic, call those in opposition to liberalism "haters."

Anyone who thinks Mrs. Clinton is the be all, end all of the '08 election has already conceded defeat...

The only way the Left can win is to undermine conservatives in the Republican primary.

I receive no benefit from the same things just because they have different Madison Avenue designer labels.

I might has well vote for Bullwinkle, there isn't a dime's worth of difference between them.

249 posted on 02/18/2007 4:51:28 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: deaconjim
As one evangelical Christian, I am fully behind Giuliani.

Conservative evangelicals have put too much faith in politics and government to address the social problems of this country. Maybe it's time to put our emphasis where we can do the most good -- in our communities, in our churches, and in our families. What has 25 years of evangelical political activism produced? Little, from what I can see. I will still vote my convictions (which are informed by my faith), but it's also my conviction that the social issues of greatest concern to evangelicals will be resolved in the courts, not in Congress. Twelve years of Republican control of congress produced exactly what for us evangelicals?

250 posted on 02/18/2007 4:51:39 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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