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Ron Paul, the Real Republican? (Announcing the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
Fox News ^ | February 20, 2007 | Radley Balko

Posted on 02/20/2007 8:59:49 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian

Ron Paul, the Real Republican?

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
By Radley Balko

When you read about a vote in Congress that goes something like 412-1, odds are pretty good that the sole "nay" came from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas. He so consistently votes against widely popular bills, in fact, that the Washington Post recently gave him the moniker "Congressman 'No.'"

Paul isn't a reflexive contrarian--he doesn't oppose just to oppose. Rather, he has a core set of principles that guide him. They happen to be the same principles envisioned by the framers of the U.S. Constitution: limited government, federalism, free trade and commerce -- with a premium on peace.

When most members of Congress see a bill for the first time, they immediately judge the bill on its merits, or if you're more cynical, they determine what the political interests that support them will think of it, or how it might benefit their constituents.

For Paul, the vast majority of bills don't get that far. He first asks, "Does the Constitution authorize Congress to pass this law?" Most of the time, the answer to that question is "no." And so Paul votes accordingly.

This hasn't won him many friends in Congress, or, for that matter, his own party. It hasn't won him influential committee assignments or powerful chairmanships, either. Those are generally handed out to the party animals who vote as they're told. An incorruptible man of principle in a corrupt body almost utterly devoid of principle, Paul is often a caucus of one.

Paul recently announced his intentions to run for president in 2008. For the few of us who still care about limited government, individual rights, and a sensible foreign policy, Paul's candidacy is terrific news....Continue reading

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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

"Iraqi Government is now a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood"

I've found one Iraqi MP that could be convicted so far;

Jamal Jafaar Mohammed

Who are the many that have been actually convicted?


151 posted on 02/20/2007 9:56:39 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
We've already heard your "push-poll" statement and it's been pretty much debunked.

Got any other tunes to play for us today or is that it?

152 posted on 02/20/2007 9:57:23 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: Patrick1

Exactly. If cut-and-run Ron Paul is a "Real Republican", then I guess I'm not one.


153 posted on 02/20/2007 9:58:16 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Austin Willard Wright
It's frankly amazing to me how:

"Continuing to provide Military and Financial support to an Iraqi Government which is dominated by Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of US Marines" is something which:

Bizarro World.

154 posted on 02/20/2007 9:58:19 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: wideawake

His word means nothing.

You are welcome to your opinion, I think you might be overstating the case just a little bit.

I don't really think this makes him specifically "corruptable."


155 posted on 02/20/2007 9:59:06 AM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Dog Gone

Letters of marque and reprisal are a constitutionally prescribed response to attacks by non-state actors. They are also sound strategy, since the US military is just not structured for Fourth Generation warfare. In fact, the US government currently employs a private company, Blackwater Group, as mercenary combat units. These men make six figure salaries, and are thus quite motivated.


156 posted on 02/20/2007 9:59:28 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: jd777

You have no idea of knowing that. No idea whatsoever. So, why not argue the vitures of Mr. Paul instead of attacking Reagan.


157 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:00 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (I support the President and the war on terror!)
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To: bcsco
Shoot the messenger if you want -- but what do you think of the Ruling Coalition Iraqi Member of Parliament who is still under a Kuwaiti Death Sentence for his attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait?

It's true, no matter who reports it.

158 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:04 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You answer my question first I posed to you. Do you think Saddam should still be in power and alive? Answer it. If Ron had his way he would be.


159 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:15 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Continuing to provide Military and Financial support to an Iraqi Government which is dominated by Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of US Marines" is something which:

It's because it is loaded with half-truths and is worded like it came from "DU"

Word twisting like that is very popular over there.

160 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:34 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Ron Paul is the RIGHT candidate to cut and run with the Dimocrat Socialist surrender monkeys. He will never be President unless he moves to France.


161 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:59 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: jrooney

Yes he should, because he was a secular Sunni who hated both the Saudi Wahabbists and the fundamentalist Shi'ites, kept a lid on the Kurds which is a boon to our staunch allies, the Turks, and was an effective counterweight to Iranian attempts to dominate the region.


162 posted on 02/20/2007 10:02:31 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Paul wore out his welcome when he cast that pandering anti-American vote with the rats last week. He may as well changes partie. (And sorry to say I actually voted for this guy in '88.)


163 posted on 02/20/2007 10:02:45 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: AmishDude
Ron Paul could have voted "present". That he didn't is telling.

Good point. The part that bothers me the most is the fact that we do have troops in hams way while this vote is going on. If there is even the slightest chance that our enemies will be emboldened then there is simply no excuse for allowing that to happen.

164 posted on 02/20/2007 10:03:28 AM PST by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
The links are provided right there in the article.

I didn't ask for links to wade through.

I want you to name the names of the terrorists convicted in US Embassy bombings that currently dominate the Iraqi government. Please give me their names, the offices in the Iraqi government they currently hold and of which crimes they were convicted.

165 posted on 02/20/2007 10:03:29 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SteamshipTime

"Nations do not have friends. They only have interests."

People have friends. And nations are merely collections of people.

Loving thy neighbor is the duty of all humans. A duty we fall short of, generally.

That said, looking at it from what is apparently your self-interest-only-here-and-now point of you, it is the USA's interest to be a bed-rock solid, reliable, friend.

Cut-and-run and no one would EVER stick their neck out for us.


166 posted on 02/20/2007 10:04:10 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: dynoman
Jamal Jafaar Mohammed is not an MP who "could be" convicted, he HAS BEEN convicted and is still under a Kuwaiti death sentence.

As to the rest, they are convicted by their own claims of responsibility for Anti-American Terror:

Their own words condemn the Radical Terrorist Al Dawa Party, the Ruling Party of Iraq.

167 posted on 02/20/2007 10:04:14 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: bcsco
The link you provided in your article, the one regarding Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his link to the Iraqi Dawn party, is interesting in that it contains sidebar links to all kinds of leftist blogs. I didn't see one conservative blog I recognized.
This tells me something of your agenda. All I can say for those motivated to sign up for your ping list is "buyer beware".

It also provided little 'factual' information that has been requested in a few posts here.

I am holding any comment until I SEE that list of officials who are now in the Iraqi parliment that have been convicted or have been purported to be terrorists. The link you provided is one man's viewpoint.

It's not a hard question. Why don't you answer, OC?

Aside from that, you can parse RP's vote with the Democrats any way you like, it won't change the fact that it is considered treasonous and seditious by a large number of Freepers.

168 posted on 02/20/2007 10:04:25 AM PST by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: capt. norm
Iraqi Government which is dominated by Islamic Terrorists

You came up with ONE. We probably have at least that many terrorists in positions of power over here.

You just haven't been paying attention.

169 posted on 02/20/2007 10:05:08 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: SteamshipTime

Idiocy. Saddam was a state sponsor of international terrorism.


170 posted on 02/20/2007 10:05:38 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Shoot the messenger if you want --

Thanks for the offer.

BAM!

Glad to do it. Now take your leftist friends and your cut-and-run agenda elsewhere.

171 posted on 02/20/2007 10:05:59 AM PST by bcsco
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To: SteamshipTime
If you think Saddam should still be in power you are an IDIOT. He was a mass murderer that was the current version of Hitler. You are a heartless bastard that would leave innocent women, children and elderly to his evil ways. Like to see you explain your thinking to your creator you will meet someday. Good luck with that one.
172 posted on 02/20/2007 10:06:27 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: jrooney
You answer my question first I posed to you. Do you think Saddam should still be in power and alive? Answer it. If Ron had his way he would be.

I supported a Constitutional Declaration of War on Saddam Hussein's Iraq -- as did Ron Paul.

Constitutionally, kill Saddam, and then refuse to support ANY "democracy" which elects Terrorists to Power.
173 posted on 02/20/2007 10:07:26 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: SteamshipTime

Saddam was also --- and this is according to no less a liberal source than the NYT --- one year away from a nuclear bomb at the point of invasion.

Saddam would have had no compuction to using said weaponry on the USA.

9/11 would have been a mere echo.

Is that self-interested enough for you?


174 posted on 02/20/2007 10:07:37 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

"Iraqi Government is now a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood"

"Ruling Coalition Iraqi Member of Parliament who is still under a Kuwaiti Death Sentence for his attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait?"

Which is it one Iraqi MP convicted of terrorism or lots of them?

If the Iraqi governemnt had as many convicted terrorists as your statement implies their manes would be as easy to find as Jamal Jafaar Mohammed's andplastered on every moonbat site out there.



175 posted on 02/20/2007 10:08:26 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Good try but Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war, thus Saddam would still be in power to murder the innocent.


176 posted on 02/20/2007 10:09:16 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: AmishDude

No he wasn't. You're thinking about the Saudi Wahabbists that Bush invites to his ranch. They are building mosques and subsidizing radical clerics all across Europe and the US. Saddam was despised by the Islamists as a secular sell-out.


177 posted on 02/20/2007 10:09:20 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: capt. norm; Dynamo
See #167.

The whole Al Dawa Party has previously claimed responsibility for their Anti-American Terrorist attacks.

Their Ruling Government in Iraq is unworthy of further US support.

178 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:15 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Constitutionally, kill Saddam, and then refuse to support ANY "democracy" which elects Terrorists to Power.

AND let Iran take over the whole country....which is just what they're waiting to do.

I'm sure the Mullahs would like to thank you and Ron Paul for your support.....you sure aren't giving any to our troops.

179 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:17 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

"Iraqi Government is now a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood"

"Ruling Coalition Iraqi Member of Parliament who is still under a Kuwaiti Death Sentence for his attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait?"

Which is it one Iraqi MP convicted of terrorism or lots of them?

If the Iraqi governemnt had as many convicted terrorists as your statement implies their manes would be as easy to find as Jamal Jafaar Mohammed's and plastered on every moonbat site out there.



180 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:24 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Saddam would have had no compuction to using said weaponry on the USA.


How? did he have a missle capable of reaching the US?


181 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:27 AM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Chi-townChief

Corrected typos:

Paul wore out his welcome when he cast that pandering anti-American vote with the rats last week. He may as well change parties. (And I'm sorry to say I actually voted for this guy in '88.)


182 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:30 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: MeanWestTexan

Who's that from, Judith Miller?

The Bush administration paid the Iraqi National Congress $400K/month to tell them such poppycock.


183 posted on 02/20/2007 10:10:58 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: Pistolshot
Aside from that, you can parse RP's vote with the Democrats any way you like, it won't change the fact that it is considered treasonous and seditious by a large number of Freepers.

Are you addressing this to me or OC? Your post is ambiguous. I'm not for Ron Paul at all and am taking OC to task for the links he provided being all leftist material.

184 posted on 02/20/2007 10:11:18 AM PST by bcsco
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You said "dominated by". After all, the US Congress has Ron Paul, but the Congress is not dominated by the likes of him.

Oh and you quote a 27-year old article to make what point, exactly? I'm not up on my Arabic, but my guess is that "Al Dawa" is a pretty common term. My research indicates it means "an invitation," although the underlying connotation is possibly different.


185 posted on 02/20/2007 10:11:54 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: jrooney
Good try but Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war, thus Saddam would still be in power to murder the innocent.

No, he didn't.

There was never a Vote on the Iraq WAR, because Congress abdicated its responsibility to Declare War.

Ron Paul advocated a Vote for an Iraq WAR.

186 posted on 02/20/2007 10:11:54 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Add me to your ping list for Ron Paul.


187 posted on 02/20/2007 10:12:18 AM PST by jragan2001
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To: WhiteGuy
did he have a missle capable of reaching the US?

Atta didn't have such a missle either.

188 posted on 02/20/2007 10:12:50 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

A head in the sand conservative.


189 posted on 02/20/2007 10:13:05 AM PST by pissant
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

"Iraqi Government is now a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood"

becomes;

"Continuing to provide Military and Financial support to an Iraqi Government which is dominated by Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of US Marines"

So it isn't dominated by "convicted" Islamic terrorists??


190 posted on 02/20/2007 10:13:27 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: All
Please, please let Ron Paul run for the presidency, so he can thoroughly get his ass handed to him. He will be exposed nationally for the cut and run coward he is.
191 posted on 02/20/2007 10:13:56 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Their Ruling Government in Iraq is unworthy of further US support.

Cuba once had a dictator named Batista and he was a bad guy.

The guy who replaced him was Castro and he is even worse.

You want us to bail on Iraq and hand the keys to Iran. In that case I'm pretty sure they are not going to end up with a government LESS corrupt.

192 posted on 02/20/2007 10:14:00 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Jamal Jafaar Mohammed is not an MP who "could be" convicted, he HAS BEEN convicted and is still under a Kuwaiti death sentence.

I see.

So your argument is that Jamal Jafaar Mohammed dominates the Iraqi government.

How so? I was unaware that a single MP holds power over the entire Iraqi government - when was that change in the Iraqi constitution made?

After all, his party received less than 4% of the vote - doesn't it usually take a majority to dominate a parliamentary government?

193 posted on 02/20/2007 10:14:19 AM PST by wideawake
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To: AmishDude

Atta didn't have such a missle either.


Yes, but that problem has been corrected, right?


194 posted on 02/20/2007 10:14:32 AM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: jrooney

If your heart bleeds so for foreigners, then by all means help them on your own dime. There are victims of thuggish regimes all over Africa, South America and Southeast Asia.


195 posted on 02/20/2007 10:14:38 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: SteamshipTime

Where did Abu Nidal find sanctuary?


196 posted on 02/20/2007 10:15:00 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude
You said "dominated by". After all, the US Congress has Ron Paul, but the Congress is not dominated by the likes of him.

Check the Links I provided. Al Dawa and SCIRI, "Al Sistani's List", are the Ruling Majority Government of Iraq.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, of the Al Dawa Party, was the Al Dawa bureau chief in Damascus in the 1980s and was thus heavily responsible for Al Dawa operations in Beirut, while parliament member Jamal Jafaar Mohammed of his ruling coalition is one of the "Kuwait 17", still under a Kuwaiti death sentence (in absentia) for his direct involvement in the vicious attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait!

Oh and you quote a 27-year old article to make what point, exactly? I'm not up on my Arabic, but my guess is that "Al Dawa" is a pretty common term. My research indicates it means "an invitation," although the underlying connotation is possibly different.

Al Dawa means "The Islamic Call" and is the Islamic Terrorist progenitor of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad... all sorts of wonderful folk.

197 posted on 02/20/2007 10:15:09 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: WhiteGuy

Missle?! What a false premise.

Try the cargo hold of an oil tanker (particularly bothersome, since much oil had NORM, making a nuke hard to detect). Or a truck driving across the Mexican border.

Etc.

You know that.


198 posted on 02/20/2007 10:15:33 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: dynoman

Check the Links I provided. Al Dawa and SCIRI, "Al Sistani's List", are the Ruling Majority Government of Iraq.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, of the Al Dawa Party, was the Al Dawa bureau chief in Damascus in the 1980s and was thus heavily responsible for Al Dawa operations in Beirut, while parliament member Jamal Jafaar Mohammed of his ruling coalition is one of the "Kuwait 17", still under a Kuwaiti death sentence (in absentia) for his direct involvement in the vicious attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait!


199 posted on 02/20/2007 10:15:56 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You are a damn liar. He voted agaisnt the Iraq war resolution! We will not forget he would let Saddam remain in power, and we will not forget he sided with the donks to cut and run and not support opur troops when they are on the battlefield.


200 posted on 02/20/2007 10:16:25 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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