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Ron Paul, the Real Republican? (Announcing the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
Fox News ^ | February 20, 2007 | Radley Balko

Posted on 02/20/2007 8:59:49 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian

Ron Paul, the Real Republican?

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
By Radley Balko

When you read about a vote in Congress that goes something like 412-1, odds are pretty good that the sole "nay" came from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas. He so consistently votes against widely popular bills, in fact, that the Washington Post recently gave him the moniker "Congressman 'No.'"

Paul isn't a reflexive contrarian--he doesn't oppose just to oppose. Rather, he has a core set of principles that guide him. They happen to be the same principles envisioned by the framers of the U.S. Constitution: limited government, federalism, free trade and commerce -- with a premium on peace.

When most members of Congress see a bill for the first time, they immediately judge the bill on its merits, or if you're more cynical, they determine what the political interests that support them will think of it, or how it might benefit their constituents.

For Paul, the vast majority of bills don't get that far. He first asks, "Does the Constitution authorize Congress to pass this law?" Most of the time, the answer to that question is "no." And so Paul votes accordingly.

This hasn't won him many friends in Congress, or, for that matter, his own party. It hasn't won him influential committee assignments or powerful chairmanships, either. Those are generally handed out to the party animals who vote as they're told. An incorruptible man of principle in a corrupt body almost utterly devoid of principle, Paul is often a caucus of one.

Paul recently announced his intentions to run for president in 2008. For the few of us who still care about limited government, individual rights, and a sensible foreign policy, Paul's candidacy is terrific news....Continue reading

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To: capt. norm; Patrick1
It's "liberal" to oppose spending hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American Lives to provide military and financial support to a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood?

See #36, and answer the question: Yes, or No?

51 posted on 02/20/2007 9:20:14 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: JSDude1
Ron Paul voted for the cut-and-run nonbinding resolution that was a personal slap in the face to every member of our armed forces.

Ron Paul is a terrorist-appeasing zero.

52 posted on 02/20/2007 9:20:16 AM PST by wideawake
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

See #48


53 posted on 02/20/2007 9:20:24 AM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who claims to be a Conservative)
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To: wideawake

Reagan was right to pull out of Lebannon. If we had stayed in that mess, the marines would still be fighting in a futile nation-building effort to bring "democracy" to the Shi'ite masses of Lebannon.


54 posted on 02/20/2007 9:20:30 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Your question is based on a false premise.

How about the real question:

Now that Saddam Hussein is DEAD: do you believe the Federal Government should:

(A) abandon those people of Iraq who put their trust in the USA (e.g., the Kurds) and our promises of support, such that no other people would EVER trust the USA again and (B) surrrender the people and oilfields of Iraq to the terrorists state of Iran, so as to help Iran dominate the Middle East, have more money to build nuclear weapons, and create an unstable venue and a bunch of desperate people for terrorists to exploit who will eventually come to the USA and kill us?

Yes, or No?


55 posted on 02/20/2007 9:20:31 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You are out of your mind!


56 posted on 02/20/2007 9:20:43 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: WhiteGuy

Apparently your dictionary does not contain separate entries for "corrupt" and "corruptible."


57 posted on 02/20/2007 9:21:16 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Patrick1

Unfortunately for Ron Paul. I saw his speech last week. I am with you Patrick1.


58 posted on 02/20/2007 9:21:24 AM PST by griswold3
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To: lormand
Now that Saddam Hussein is DEAD, do you believe that the Federal Government should spend hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American Lives to provide military and financial support to a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood?

YES, or NO? It is a simple question. What is your answer?

59 posted on 02/20/2007 9:21:36 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: wideawake
Ron Paul is a terrorist-appeasing zero

Just like Hannity and Rush who supported similar action during the Kosovo war right? It looks like you're going to have to string up some of your friends on the gallows too!

60 posted on 02/20/2007 9:22:00 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: jd777

"Reagan pulled the marines out of Lebanon."

Yes, that was weak. We should have gone in heavy, or not at all.

As a result of that weakness, Lebanon is unstable and a constant source of problems.


61 posted on 02/20/2007 9:22:12 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Didn't Ron Paul just vote with the Democraticks on this stupid "Iraq Resolution"?


62 posted on 02/20/2007 9:22:16 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Austin Willard Wright
"Ron Paul is a man of principle, not a politician,"

Huh?

Does he not serve as a member of the US House of Representatives?

If so, then he is a politician.

You can think he is some god or something, but you can't take away from the fact that he is a politician.

63 posted on 02/20/2007 9:22:31 AM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who claims to be a Conservative)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

We used to live in Ron Paul's district and we still own a ranch there. We moved about the time he first ran for congress. Ron Paul was, and still is a NUT!


64 posted on 02/20/2007 9:22:53 AM PST by Ditter
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Sorry but Ron Paul isn't my kind of guy. While he may have some good things about him, the fact that he's totally inflexible on so many things and prides himself in being the Lone Ranger on a lot of things (though by no means because he's the most conservative) has thoroughly disenchanted me with him.


65 posted on 02/20/2007 9:23:08 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Reagan was right to pull out of Lebannon.

History proves that appeasing terrorists does not work.

He was not arguably, but demonstrably, wrong.

66 posted on 02/20/2007 9:23:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Now that Saddam Hussein is DEAD, do you believe that the Federal Government should spend hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American Lives to provide military and financial support to a Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who attacked our Embassies and murdered hundreds of United States Marines in cold blood?

YES! I believe in finishing the job and not bailing out as we forced or troops to do in Vietnam.

Trying to twist the facts as you are doing will not hide the fact that you have joined the surrender monkeys and, in fact, are carrying their water for them.

When Paul drops out, your allegences are right in line with Hillary, so you'll still have someone you can support.

67 posted on 02/20/2007 9:24:29 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I don't answer stupid loaded questions which serve as an editorial to the one posing the question.
68 posted on 02/20/2007 9:24:40 AM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who claims to be a Conservative)
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To: USMMA_83

Alas, loser Ron Paul is a Texan.

Albeit a TINO.


69 posted on 02/20/2007 9:24:49 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
IMO, he is right on everything except the war on Islamic fascism. I know he will not horse-trade on issues...his campaign does not stand much of a chance so long as he advocates cutting troop funding while armed forces personnel are in a theater of war. FWIW, I agreed with him right up until boots were on the ground in Iraq. Afghanistan, on the other hand, leaves a wide gulf between the two of us:

"Obviously, we are not putting forth the full effort required to capture Osama bin Laden. Instead, our occupation of Afghanistan further inflames the Muslim radicals that came of age with their fierce resistance to the Soviet occupation of a Muslim country. Our occupation merely serves as a recruiting device for al-Qaeda, which has promised retaliation for our presence in their country. We learned nothing after first allying ourselves with Osama bin Laden when he applied this same logic toward the Soviets. The net result of our invasion and occupation of Afghanistan has been to miss capturing bin Laden, assist al-Qaeda's recruitment, stimulate more drug production, lose hundreds of American lives, and allow spending billions of American taxpayer dollars with no end in sight."

Since 2001 we have spent over $300 billion occupying Afghanistan and Iraq. We’re poorer but certainly not safer for it. We removed the Taliban from power in Afghanistan – much to the delight of the Iranians, who consider the Taliban an archenemy. Warlords now control the country, operating a larger drug trade than ever before.
Similarly in Iraq, our ouster of Saddam Hussein will allow the majority Shia to claim leadership title if Iraq’s election actually leads to an organized government. This delights the Iranians, who are close allies of the Iraqi Shia.
Talk about unintended consequences! This war has produced chaos, civil war, death and destruction, and huge financial costs. It has eliminated two of Iran’s worst enemies, and placed power in Iraq with Iran’s best friends. Even this apparent failure of policy does nothing to restrain the current march toward a similar confrontation with Iran. What will it take for us to learn from our failures?

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Within US borders, Ron Paul is exactly what America needs. On the other hand, his foreign policy views, for all matters other than trade, are not my own. Not wanting to start wars is one thing. What to do once we are knee-deep is another.

70 posted on 02/20/2007 9:25:24 AM PST by M203M4
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To: capt. norm; wideawake

NO OFCOURSE I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, victory, and America, and was against the res, but on the domestic front I think Paul has a great philosophy. FOREIGN P. wise, not so much.. (that's one reason why I dont want on his presidential list yet..)!


71 posted on 02/20/2007 9:25:38 AM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: lormand

A politician is someone who bases his votes on polls (and that includes Romney, McCain, Newt, and Guilliani). Ron Paul has never done this. I know he really gets under your skin, but the record shows that for him principle trumps expediency over and over again.


72 posted on 02/20/2007 9:25:51 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Please add me to the ping list.


73 posted on 02/20/2007 9:26:19 AM PST by beaureguard
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Just like Hannity and Rush who supported similar action during the Kosovo war right?

I don't much care what Hannity or Rush say or do.

They are just pundits who talk for talk's sake. I don't own their books, listen to their programs or go to their public appearances.

Ron Paul is a member of Congress and his idiocies have a real impact on this country.

Voting for that nonbinding resolution was the act of a traitorous coward, not of a statesman.

74 posted on 02/20/2007 9:27:01 AM PST by wideawake
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican candidate who wants to get our troops out of harm's way and home to their families

Sorry, You can try to package Ron Paul any way you like, I ain't buying!

75 posted on 02/20/2007 9:27:16 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: wideawake

ok, able to be corrupted instead of already corrupt like cunningham.

what makes Dr. Paul specifically able to be corrupted?


76 posted on 02/20/2007 9:27:48 AM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

read later


77 posted on 02/20/2007 9:27:50 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I don't think the terrorists would be smiling when; cutting taxes causes and deregulating industry causes our economy to triple in size; gun laws are repealed thus allowing for a truly armed populace capable of defending itself from the enemy within, etc.

Ron Paul cast a vote regarding Iraq because of his firm commitment to not support Islamic terrorists. Just because his vote was tallied with the Dems does not mean his rationale was the same.

His record in Congress on issues of life, gun rights, taxes, traditional marriage, and federalism has been consistent and flawless. Amazing how so many people here are willing to throw all those things right out the window so quickly.

78 posted on 02/20/2007 9:28:04 AM PST by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: Ditter

Ron Paul was, and still is a NUT!



What I've never been able to understand is how he continues to get elected over and over.


79 posted on 02/20/2007 9:28:39 AM PST by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: wideawake

So you think that Hannity and Rush are "traitorous cowards" because of their stand on Kosovo? I answered yes to your question. How about doing the same for me?


80 posted on 02/20/2007 9:29:30 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Ron Paul & John MeCain?

That's your team for 2008?

81 posted on 02/20/2007 9:30:28 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Yes, but what's he gonna do about 'Goball Hotting'?


82 posted on 02/20/2007 9:30:31 AM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Clump
Just because his vote was tallied with the Dems does not mean his rationale was the same.

It had the same effect on our troops and military capability...and I couldn't care less about his "nuanced" (a la Kerry) reason for voting that way.

The damage has been done and he was an accomplice.

How disgusting!

83 posted on 02/20/2007 9:31:09 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; All

"Government dominated by convicted Islamic Terrorists who "

What about this Iraqi MP??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzLnMk-bO8w

I've read that many Iraiqs feel this way, those are the ones we are there for.

I've voted for Ron Paul in the past but his willingness to hang guys like this Iraqi MP out to dry does not sit well with me at all.


84 posted on 02/20/2007 9:31:11 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Your question is based on a false premise. How about the real question: Now that Saddam Hussein is DEAD: do you believe the Federal Government should: (A) abandon those people of Iraq who put their trust in the USA (e.g., the Kurds) and our promises of support, such that no other people would EVER trust the USA again and (B) surrrender the people and oilfields of Iraq to the terrorists state of Iran, so as to help Iran dominate the Middle East, have more money to build nuclear weapons, and create an unstable venue and a bunch of desperate people for terrorists to exploit who will eventually come to the USA and kill us? Yes, or No?

Those people voted convicted Islamic Terrorists guilty of murdering hundreds of US Marines into Ruling Government office, such that Iraqi oilfields are NOW under the control of Iranian-backed Islamic Terrorists.

"Democracies" which vote Terrorists into Power are unworthy of US support.

So, having answered your question, you answer mine:

YES, or NO?

85 posted on 02/20/2007 9:31:27 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Ron Paul just eliminated any possibility that I would vote for him for any office. I was a fan of his. I even tried to overlook some of the things he was saying about the WoT. Last week he voted with the Democrats FOR the non-binding resolution to betray our troops in Iraq. He's a disgrace to the Republican Party and will never get my support.
86 posted on 02/20/2007 9:32:16 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: beaureguard

As a person who loves Israel (and has many family members there), Ron Paul's position to abandon Israel to the Arabs "because it is a mess over there" is particularly disheartening and wrong-headed.


87 posted on 02/20/2007 9:32:32 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

White Flag Paul.....I'll pass.


88 posted on 02/20/2007 9:32:41 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Clump
He could have abstained, and drafted a resolution that stated his point rather than the cut-and-run resolution. So, in fact he did cut-n-run...you can't spin that any other way. He's a loser, and we are going to offer him retirement during the next election cycle.
89 posted on 02/20/2007 9:32:51 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: TexasCajun

Ron Paul and... whomever he picks for Veep, it won't be McCain.


90 posted on 02/20/2007 9:33:01 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Ron Paul would get us killed.


91 posted on 02/20/2007 9:33:22 AM PST by pissant
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I would take your position much more seriously if you didn't misspell Lebanon.

Twice.


92 posted on 02/20/2007 9:33:35 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: WhiteGuy
Oooh! "Dr." Paul! How fancy!

How is he able to be corrupted?,p>He took a principled stand on term limits and pledged not to serve more than three terms.

He is now in his 6th or 7th term, I forget which.

I guess principle goes out the window for Ron Paul when he stands to benefit from violating his principles.

93 posted on 02/20/2007 9:33:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You didn't answer the question, you merely repeated your lie.


94 posted on 02/20/2007 9:34:03 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Sorry, Ron Paul is a cowardly, spineless White Flag Republican, and that "Republican" is stretching it.


95 posted on 02/20/2007 9:34:27 AM PST by Brian Sears (Time flies like an arrow, and fruit flies like a bannana)
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To: dynoman
Regardless, the Parties in Iraq are made up of Islamic Terrorists who have attacked our Embassies and murdered our Marines.

The Iraqi government is thus unworthy of any further support.

96 posted on 02/20/2007 9:34:41 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Add please.


97 posted on 02/20/2007 9:35:12 AM PST by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I love fanatics. They are very entertaining and immune to all logic.

You are now in that category and I'm enjoying the show.

The Ron Paul campaign has already 'peaked' and will soon descend even further into irrelevance.

98 posted on 02/20/2007 9:35:19 AM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The guy's a loon. Daffy Duck looks like a genius next to our orthodox FRiend.


99 posted on 02/20/2007 9:35:47 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: Clump

Ron Paul could have voted "present". That he didn't is telling.


100 posted on 02/20/2007 9:36:13 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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