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What is wrong with intelligent design?
EurekAlert! ^ | 22-Feb-2007 | Suzanne Wu

Posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:34 PM PST by Boxen

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To: Wakeup Sleeper; Coyoteman
coyoteman shows arrogance and a lack of credibility and maturity!

I'm not fond of the whole Freudian stuff, but speaking of projection: we have a winner!
561 posted on 03/22/2007 4:44:01 PM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
talk about spelling, "your remember the list" post such and such do you realy want me to just go on and on with names that you have so poorly been able to deny so far,

A checked the names you gave and could find only one "who use to be eager in disproving the bible and later changed their minds because of what". This one was the first you named (correctly!), i.e., Dr. C.L. Cagan.

The rest of the names: window-dressing

562 posted on 03/22/2007 4:55:34 PM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem; Wakeup Sleeper
The rest of the names: window-dressing

Given the duplicitous nature of most of them, it's more like cross-dressing.

563 posted on 03/22/2007 7:22:42 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: si tacuissem; Wakeup Sleeper
euthanist 571
euthanisia 5.390.000

Youth in asia 39,700,000

Ha! (said ALF-style)

564 posted on 03/22/2007 10:45:34 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
You havent brought up one point just one point at a time. you dont want to seem to debate it that way1 how come. pick one thing you think is a error in the site I gave just one for now and then will go from there and will see that way plain and clear whos holds water!

See the links I provided in post #516, above.

I see you are still afraid to address the questions I have asked you in numerous posts now.

For the lurkers, those links in post #516 will provide a significant amount of information on radiocarbon dating. However, apparently Wakeup doesn't believe in that data for religious reasons, and will accept the most flimsy and unscientific arguments against the radiocarbon method if they seem to support his beliefs.

565 posted on 03/22/2007 11:07:05 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: dread78645
youth in asia: 42,900,000
"youth in asia": 63,100
Ha-Ha (said Bart-style :-)
566 posted on 03/23/2007 5:43:20 AM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
give me one specific not websites you yourself tell me where at one point tell me where its wrong!

oh not, the you with yourself tell me the one point not websites where tell me or you in place points to the specific could be right!

567 posted on 03/23/2007 7:27:42 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
I'm a little bit lost: Not talking about that site, oh my word! the carbon dating site I just showed you! anyways peace dude!

Do you mean this site:The Problem with Carbon 14 and other dating methods?

You didn't show this site, you gave a vague hint by giving a corrupted link...

568 posted on 03/23/2007 9:05:09 AM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: atlaw

~chuckling~


569 posted on 03/23/2007 9:33:13 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Wakeup Sleeper; Coyoteman
The article The Problem with Carbon 14 and other dating methods has to be scientific - it uses footnotes and stuff!

Granted, it's just three footnotes, but they show the wisdom of this remarkable essay. So, here they are, in their whole splendor and somewhat odd - but original - enumeration1:

Carbon dating references:
1) From a video Lecture by Dr. Kent Hovind2
6) Antarctic Journal, Washington
10) "Dry bones and other fossils" by Dr. Gary Parker


1: I can think of two reasons for this:
  1. Space is left for more annotations to come - or
  2. Even more embarrassing sources were eliminated
Call me a skeptic, but I tend to No. 2...
2: Link added by me :-)
570 posted on 03/23/2007 2:29:12 PM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem
1) From a video Lecture by Dr. Kent Hovind

Gee; is that by any chance the same Kent Hovind who bought his degree from an unaccreditted diploma mill called "Patriot University" and who is currently cooling his heels in jail for Tax evasions convictions?

Just for reference, here's photo of the original campus of "Patriot U" -- Hovind's alma mater:

Yup; anybody who gets a doctorate from a school like that must be a leading expert on the science of Radiometric Dating techniques.....

< /sarcasm>

571 posted on 03/23/2007 5:33:54 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his tenth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: longshadow
Just jumping into the thread here w/out having read much.

James Michener wrote at length about bogus diplomas, and Universities in his book "Space" more than 20 years ago.
572 posted on 03/23/2007 5:45:51 PM PDT by Radix (Time served in the Congress should be reason enough to disallow a person from the Presidency)
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To: si tacuissem
Hey! That's Dr. Gary Parker, Ed.D., "Creation Biologist." He's been at AIG and ICR for years. Here's a link to his AIG bio.
573 posted on 03/23/2007 6:09:50 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs; Wakeup Sleeper
Wow, he fully qualifies for wake-up sleeper's list of of thousands of scientists and historians and archeaologists who use to be eager in disproving the bible and later changed their minds because of what? and sleeper mentioned him in his post #367. So, now there are two names on the list:
  1. Dr. C.L. Cagan
  2. Dr. Gary Parker
I suppose that even sleeper won't stretch the definition of "scientist" in a way to include "Dr." Kent Hovind.

@ sleeper: only 998 to go, keep them coming!

574 posted on 03/24/2007 6:08:51 AM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: Coyoteman

I have adressed all points you have brought up, you are just unwilling to accept it, bring up one point at a time, make a specific comment regarding science pointing to evolution, and you will be easily shown that it is not scientific fact. just one point at a time. you are unwilling to do this because it makes it very clear when it is done this way. And thats just what evolurtionist propagandists are about making things anything BUT clear and specififc.


575 posted on 03/24/2007 10:57:00 AM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: si tacuissem

your replys are unfounded and petty ay best! lets debate the specific science! not refer to the petty and unscientific.


576 posted on 03/24/2007 10:58:42 AM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
What happens if you pour a gallon of water into a 1 litre measuring cup? You may get a result, something between zero and one - depends on how forceful you were. Of course the reading is worthless.... And your mom will come to complain about the mess you made - again - though everyone has told you that it doesn't work... and you will say: you have a reading, so hasn't been a gallon in the first place...

That's what the main point of The Problem with Carbon 14 and other dating methods is about:

They know, that carbon dating won't give meaningful results for samples which are older than ~50,000 years. They do it non the less. And they do it again. And they claim that they have proved either that the world is less than 50,000 years old or that carbon dating doesn't work.

To get back to our little analogy: this is like claiming that their is either less than one litre of liquid or that it is impossible to measure the amount of one gallon...

577 posted on 03/24/2007 11:12:15 AM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem; Wakeup Sleeper
Wow, he fully qualifies for wake-up sleeper's list of of thousands of scientists and historians and archeaologists who use to be eager in disproving the bible and later changed their minds because of what? and sleeper mentioned him in his post #367. So, now there are two names on the list:
  1. Dr. C.L. Cagan
  2. Dr. Gary Parker
I suppose that even sleeper won't stretch the definition of "scientist" in a way to include "Dr." Kent Hovind.

@ sleeper: only 998 to go, keep them coming!

Careful. Don't get trampled in the stampede.

578 posted on 03/24/2007 11:22:00 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Wakeup Sleeper
your replys are unfounded and petty ay best!

Petty? Maybe... But unfounded? I gave you the sources, your very words of wisdom, showing your "arrogance, lack of credibility and maturity", things you seek in others...

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? - Luke 6,41

579 posted on 03/24/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by si tacuissem (sapere aude!)
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To: si tacuissem

False again!!!! there are many upon many scientists who use to be evironmentalists, evolutionists, and archeaologists and all the many more who are very credible and highly learned in their subjects and have contributed greatly to science, unlike evolutionists who hold to creation by God the only God the Father of Jesus Christ.

let me give you another SCIENTIFIC source, Radiometric dating deception, www.cs.unc.edu

Recovery of Neandertal mt.DNA answers in genesis

just a little tid bit! Another ridiculous mathmatical joke for evolutionists! An average sized protein molecule composed of 288 amino acids, and contains twelve different types of amino acids, can be arranged in 10300 different ways (this is an astronomicaly huge number, consisiting of 1 followed by 300 zeros) Of all these possible sequences, only one forms the desired protein molecule, the rest of them are amino acid chains that are either totaly useless, or else are potentialy harmful to living things.

In other words the probability of formation of only ONE protein molecule is 1 in 10^300. Now thats funny!!!! That alone should bring laughter at the thought of this thing called evolutionism. 1 in 10^300 for one protein! and you still wouldnt have life!!! it doent even give enough for the proper function of the protein, theres more to it. and to add a protein with only 288 amino acids is a modest one compared to some that need a 1000 amino acids!

Lets continue shall we!

If you want to learn more go to the

unjustmedia.com I know you will come back with a no science answer like "you spelled the word "the" wrong " or "thats a laugh, its riddled with errors" but I will say it again you point out a specific error if you think there is one, and then we will debate it specificaly, you have to back up what you say, not just propagandise with more no evidnece and put downs! Peace!


580 posted on 03/24/2007 11:52:25 AM PDT by Wakeup Sleeper
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