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A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)
Self | February 23, 2007 | Alberta's Child

Posted on 02/23/2007 7:45:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child

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To: TommyDale
"What part of the article is not true? Does truth only apply to publications that you personally approve?"

Then you must be on board also with this neo-Communist publication's mantra to "IMPEACH CHANEY THEN BUSH". With Rudy there's no accusation of anything illegal. Just innuendos. There's nothing new in this 2004 article or your Newsday article.

If guilt by association is your cup of tea, then we all are guilty. Give us a break.
101 posted on 02/23/2007 9:02:08 AM PST by Gop1040
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To: LtdGovt

Many valid points yet many silly analogies. The this % and that % stuff being the most silly........

If you want to get real honest blame your man Bush for the perspective America now has as a voting block. It's going to be more centrist if not slightly left. It is a reaction to the bungles and misdeeds of the present man in office. It is a natural reaction. And we will pay for it this time around.

So that said.... no Duncan Hunter is winning the White House. Be true to yourselves and vote that way. It may take a Hillary 4 year term to change the tide back in our direction


102 posted on 02/23/2007 9:03:50 AM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: Alberta's Child

Well reasoned and well said.


103 posted on 02/23/2007 9:03:57 AM PST by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: WalterSkinner

" than those principles which are clearly defined by Divine revelation and proven over time to be paramount- "

Funny, I get a different Divine revelation out of the Bible and it has precious little to do with aligning federal law with Puritanical bigotry.

I won't miss you guys either when you pack your bags and find some nutjob 3rd party that embraces secular enforcement of a specific religious interpretation. Maybe after that, we in the GOP can get back to the issue of limiting federal power, reach, and wealth. Lord knows those issues have been neglected completely in the wake of this failed, and *painfully embarassing* religious coup.

I hear the Taliban has good, "conservative" responses to gays, abortions, and adultery. Check out of Qu'ran maybe you'll find some inspiration for your psuedo-crusade of morally judging people through secular law.


104 posted on 02/23/2007 9:03:58 AM PST by kaotic133
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To: Corin Stormhands

I don't like the slamming of him or anyone else people support here and wish it would stop. In all fairness though, have you ever chucked about the picture of "Carey in the bunny suit"?


105 posted on 02/23/2007 9:05:08 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Alberta's Child

I think an explanation on how you arrived at the 20% conservative statistics might be in order. Anyone can draw a number out of the air and it seems to me that is what you did.


106 posted on 02/23/2007 9:05:25 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (I support the President and the war on terror!)
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To: Chuck Dent

Anybody who trusts Rudy's promises on judges is a fool. A guy who supports abortion and believes the 2nd Amendment is about hunting wouldn't know original intent or "strict constuctionism" if it bit him on the @$$.


107 posted on 02/23/2007 9:05:40 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Lakeshark
"Hillary for Pres is so comforting to me.........."

The answer to that is, don't vote for Rudy in the primaries. Because if he wins in the primaries, you WILL get Hillary. That's a lead pipe cinch.
108 posted on 02/23/2007 9:05:50 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Corin Stormhands

That is just darn sad.


109 posted on 02/23/2007 9:06:30 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (I support the President and the war on terror!)
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To: CindyDawg

That is fine and that is your right. If you feel that you need to vote third party then have to.


110 posted on 02/23/2007 9:07:24 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (I support the President and the war on terror!)
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To: Gop1040

So because it was said in 2004, now Kerik and Giuliani should be looked upon as if they have changed their character? You still cannot deny that the story is true. Giuliani is not suited to select someone to run the Homeland Security, and his business partners and dealings are a sham.

Is this really the best America can come up with for a Presidential candidate? Get serious. If Rudy has this much opposition from his own party, can you imagine the crap that will be tossed at him from the Democrats?


111 posted on 02/23/2007 9:07:51 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: Alberta's Child
Thanks for he one-time ping.

Rudy is low on my list, but I don't bear him any animosity. I'm glad he's a Republican actually, he might be much more dangerous as a Democrat.

The Republicans in general have been disappointing enough that I may change my affiliation to independent, but I have to investigate how that impacts my voting status in Colorado primaries.
112 posted on 02/23/2007 9:08:41 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Boycott all Leftist Media, ignore them and they will go away...)
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To: babygene

No one has shown that to be true. Explain why that is true please. It seems it is mostly a few posters here that would not vote for him under any circumstances, and that is just plain stupid in my opinion.


113 posted on 02/23/2007 9:08:57 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: You Dirty Rats
You clearly haven't got the slightest idea what the Statue of Liberty is all about.

The Statue of Liberty was an 1886 gift from the French. According to the National Park Service, it was given "in recognition of the friendship established during the American Revolution" and "to commemorate the centennial of the American Declaration of Independence." Is that inaccurate?
114 posted on 02/23/2007 9:09:06 AM PST by ruination
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To: Alberta's Child

If Rudy is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.


115 posted on 02/23/2007 9:11:01 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: kaotic133
I won't miss you guys either when you pack your bags..

..stay tuned, kaotic, you just may get your wish

Sounds like you have some serious issues with religious conservatives--sorry to upset your world...

116 posted on 02/23/2007 9:11:19 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: kaotic133
I hear the Taliban has good, "conservative" responses to gays, abortions, and adultery. Check out of Qu'ran maybe you'll find some inspiration for your psuedo-crusade of morally judging people through secular law.

That's the kind of crap I expect to see on DU - comparing Christian values towards abortion to the Taliban. The fact that Rudy boosters are resorting to such speaks volumes about them and their candidate.

117 posted on 02/23/2007 9:11:22 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart
" To call him a cross dresser is the height of absurdity. And to say he is effete - asinine. "

For a politician that expects to run for office anywhere other than N.Y. or Ca, it shows extremely poor judgment.
118 posted on 02/23/2007 9:11:47 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Alberta's Child
An excellent post FRiend, my first reaction was to see if you would like me to drop ship a few bottles of Absorbine Jr. to you for your hands and fingers, that's a LOT o' typing pal! lol

You hit the major issues about Giuliani and I mentioned in another thread that one reason I think we're seeing this frenzy about Rudy Guiliani is mostly due to the combination of his 9/11 image and the fact that he is a very talented speaker, he knows how to deliver a powerful speech, and that is a vital tool that no candidate can be without.

(Even though he is a Democrat, I sadly recall the somewhat lack of exciting speechmaking talent in Senator John Glenn, who should have been able to parlay his positive image as the first American to orbit the Earth and one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts into a successful presidential run for the White House. But listening to him deliver a speech was painful, I felt bad for him.)

But back to topic, Rudy Guiliani also has an extra advantage over any other Republican candidate, which is FIRST name recognition. You say 'RUDY' and 99 out of 100 people are going to know who you're talking about, just as when you say 'HILLARY', those same people know exactly who Mrs. Bill Clinton is, (and many of those people will make the sign of the Cross and reach for a chunk o' garlic, lol)

But name recognition and great speechmaking abilities aren't enough.

That is why I'm going for the workhorse, not the showhorse, and supporting Congressman Duncan Hunter of California.
119 posted on 02/23/2007 9:12:17 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: kaotic133

Now that kind of attitude will help a lot..../sarcasm


120 posted on 02/23/2007 9:12:40 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Alberta's Child

Good work, thanks.


121 posted on 02/23/2007 9:12:47 AM PST by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: Alberta's Child
When I am ready to take orders from a Canadian on who to vote for as president of these United Sates, I'll let ya know.
In the meantime, why don't you concentrate on your own country's politics?
122 posted on 02/23/2007 9:13:28 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: ruination

It's a good thing the French donated her when they did. If the donation had been a century later, she'd be holding a white flag instead of a torch.


123 posted on 02/23/2007 9:16:11 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Alberta's Child
If you wish you hadn't been pinged -- well, too bad

Nice attitude. Maybe I should add you to a few ping lists that you don't want to be on.

124 posted on 02/23/2007 9:16:40 AM PST by pogo101
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To: dirtboy
He will have FAR more power to enact such actions as president, and the temptations will therefore be that much greater.

So your belief is that Rudy is running for President so that he can focus on social issues and leave a lasting legacy? I'm betting you couldn't be further off the mark.

125 posted on 02/23/2007 9:16:54 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: LtdGovt
Good comment.



Lots of posts about conservatism.

Suddenly a minority in the Republican party has defined conservative membership qualifications as being tight wads and religious fanatics far to the right of religious zealots and jihadists Muslim suicide bombers.

Our party is way to big to have such narrow minded standards for an individual to carry the moniker of Conservative.

I believe I am a conservative but not necessarily as defined by the fervent who think they own the party.

The liberal, left-wing nut job muck divers over in the DNC sewer have given the Dimocrats a no win, Cut and Run, one agenda bunch of candidates.

Does anyone really believe that Osama Obama and Hellary are qualified to run this great country.

Personally I do not believe that anyone has the right to doubt my conservative credentials nor tell me how I must vote to satisfy their wishes.

Unlike most air-headed liberals over on the left, a person can tell me who they LIKE and WHY then I will make up my own mind as to who is the better candidate.

Just my lowly opinion.
126 posted on 02/23/2007 9:18:12 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia now a certified socialist state reporting to Mexico City for further instructions)
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To: Alberta's Child; Peach; BunnySlippers; DustyMoment

Thank you for your intelligent, quality post. If you decide to have a ping list, please add me to it.

I suppose you would call me a Wall Street Journal Republican. I think of illegal immigrants as people who are struggling for a better life by going through incredible hardships to get here, and then doing the most menial jobs, ones that Americans have largely abandoned.

Although I understand and respect many people who do not share my position - which includes most of FR - I think it's a big stretch to lump illegal immigrants in with thieves, murders and rapists.

I lived in Los Angeles for most of my life, and left because I lost my job and couldn't afford to keep my house :-(. I wish I was still there, but a friend found me a job in Pennsylvania, and here I am. I'm absolutely miserable here, and one reason is that there is no dynamism. What happened yesterday is what happens today and will happen tomorrow. Illegal immigrants add spice and dynamism to society. If there's one thing worse than overpopulation thanks to illegal immigrants, it's underpopulation thanks to nobody caring anymore.

During my time in Los Angeles, I have never -- repeat -- never -- had any trouble with illegals. Their presence helps business grow that could not otherwise afford to exist. The very company I worked for almost certainly (I never checked anyone's papers) owed its existance to the hard work of illegals, and it also employed many true-blue Americans at good wages(*).

Illegals cause problems but also create opportunities. I think the opportunities are greater than the problems, and I gather Rudy Giuliani agrees with me.

So I think you can say we have a reasonable disagreement on that particular issue.

'Concerning the abortion and gun control issues, I've made a point in my posts that nobody's made a satisfactory response to. I just plain don't believe that Rudy or any other President is going to waste time on these issues, and so regardless of how I stand on them I will not base my support or opposition to a candidate on her or his positions on them. For this reason, I'm just not sure why people make such a fuss about them. President Bush, for example, is against abortion, but has he made a single move to change the law? Rudy Giuliani is for abortion, but I'd be shocked if he would mention the word even once as President.

Why do we waste our time asking about issues that are never going to come up?

Finally, I think it would be remiss if I didn't address our pal Bernie. From what I can see, he was apparently quite a capable police commissioner, and the previous people in the job fell flat on their faces. So maybe he wasn't such a bad appointment after all, on the whole.

I guess he did some Bad Things, too. But did he and Rudy Giuliani not work hard and well to clean up NYC? He's paid his fine and made up for his mistakes. Now he can't work for government again. Justice has been served. The End.

I wonder how many completely honest people there are in government. I think most freepers would answer that question with a derisive laugh and a snort. And in that case, again, if we strike a balance through Rudy's record, it looks overwhelmingly positive. He did great things while in power.

How many of his opponents can say that?
D

(*) Incidentally, all our employees were legally on payroll and got the usual employment benefits, including workers' comp. So in the case of our specific business, you can't use the argument that their health costs were subsidized.


127 posted on 02/23/2007 9:19:00 AM PST by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: Dolphy
So your belief is that Rudy is running for President so that he can focus on social issues and leave a lasting legacy?

No, and please show me where I said that.

Instead, I doubt he would be able to reisit the temptation to go along with some social engineering when presented the opportunity. Or even call for some himself.

128 posted on 02/23/2007 9:20:05 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy

Yet is it in any way untrue? Strip away international politics and examine the domestic agenda of all religiously conservative political groups and you will find precious little difference. It has a lot to do with establishing a society of conformity and a moral majority.. Not very different from the socialist goal, just with different talking points and the arrogance of "God told me so."


129 posted on 02/23/2007 9:20:15 AM PST by kaotic133
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To: Alberta's Child
If you've been pinged to this thread, it's probably because I've come across some interesting comments from you -- for or against Rudy Giuliani -- on another thread.

"They think I'm interesting!"

130 posted on 02/23/2007 9:21:36 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well done.


131 posted on 02/23/2007 9:22:28 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Alberta's Child; BunnySlippers; PhiKapMom; Mia T

Bump for later.

In the meantime

Friday, February 23, 2007
"All Of Us Make Mistakes"
Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:04 AM

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/895f5b47-147d-48b1-a3a1-c2ba0904b833

That's one of the answers Rudy Giuliani gave to one of my questions in an interview taped Thursday which will air today.

We also discuss Mitt Romney's religion, Hillary and Obama, and the longest speech the Mayor has ever given --at which I was present.

First hour, first two segments.

And, no, the question wasn't whether he had bought my book.

______________________________________

while I have problems with Rudy, my point has always been it may take someone like Rudy to beat Hillary. Someone who can get down and dirty, and is not afraid to throw some mud, because you KNOW the Clinton smear machine will.


132 posted on 02/23/2007 9:22:39 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: dirtboy

The sad part is that there are many anti-religious bigots out there who would love for the Religious Right to just go away.
I'm not sure where they come from, but they are a small segment of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan. I refer to them as the Agnostic wing of the GOP. Tiny, but throwing grenades at the Christian voters.


133 posted on 02/23/2007 9:22:46 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: kaotic133
Yet is it in any way untrue? Strip away international politics and examine the domestic agenda of all religiously conservative political groups and you will find precious little difference.

You truly are an idiot. Once again, you sound just like a dumbass DU poster comparing Christian conservatives to Islamists.

Last I checked, Christians aren't engaging in global terrorist campaigns, beheading captives and shooting women who won't wear a burka. Just for starters.

Go somewhere else where they wallow in that kind of ignorance.

134 posted on 02/23/2007 9:23:13 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ok now, you can't get mad at me here, since you pinged me to the other thread the other day, I've kind of been reading some of the Rudy threads, and now I'm ready to comment:)

Those who get all worked up about those pictures have such a skewed sense of humor and proportion or both, the rest of their perspective is called into question.

I don't get this at all...just because people don't agree on what is "humor" , it calls into question their perspective?????

I could turn that around you know, and say that since you do find that sort of thing humorous, your perspective is called into question.

What Rudy does for humor is Rudy's business, what his stance on major issues such as abortion, gun control, and gay rights, is what concerns me.

Personally, I would like to see an adequate, reasonable defense for these issues addressed by a Republican Rudy supporter.

Becky

135 posted on 02/23/2007 9:23:20 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: mkjessup
"But name recognition and great speechmaking abilities aren't enough"

One important downside to "name recognition" is that once the views of a candidate on issues are well known everyone knows exactly who not to vote for.

Jim Zumbo was very well known and popular in gun and hunting circles. Now that his real views came out his career is over.
136 posted on 02/23/2007 9:23:20 AM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Lakeshark
"No one has shown that to be true. Explain why that is true please. It seems it is mostly a few posters here that would not vote for him under any circumstances, and that is just plain stupid in my opinion."

Do you by any chance follow the polls on the right side of your browser. Rudy looses 28% of member and non-menber, with another 30 percent undecided / praying. He gets less than a third of those on FR., how can he win against the dems.

Also, just taking a good part of the 20 million in Rush's audience out of the mix assures defeat.
137 posted on 02/23/2007 9:23:24 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for the ping.

While Mayor Rudy Giuliani is a very likeable and somewhat admirable man, he does not possess or share my conservative values. Even Mayor Richie Daley of Chicago appears more conservative than Mayor Giuliani.

While there is no way I will not support Mr. Giuliani for the Republican Presidential nomination, I would support Rudy for New York Senator.

Cheers,
OLA


138 posted on 02/23/2007 9:23:30 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Truth was the first casualty in the MSM's war on President Bush.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"They think I'm interesting!"


FOOLED EM AGAIN! :-)


139 posted on 02/23/2007 9:24:11 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: All

Getting past name recognition, which can be fixed, what's not supportable about Duncan Hunter?http://www.gohunter08.com/


140 posted on 02/23/2007 9:24:32 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: You Dirty Rats

I completely agree with this post. Those of you who find New York City too foreign can't reach out to voters in any blue urban areas -- and these areas keep growing across the country. Maybe red staters have more children, but these children go off to college, move to blue urban areas and develp bluish perspectives. Hence, if you can't even envision working or communicatine with such people, you're not going to win them over. And you're going to have a hard go winning any national offices in 2008 or beyond.

By the way, I don't know anyone in New York who thought Rudy was "weird." Many here saw him as ultra right wing, which makes the diatribes here rather amusing.

My other problem with this post is that I don't choose a candidate based on a laundry list of his positions on the issues. Maybe this makes sense when voting for the legislature, but hardly for president! Someone please tell me what executive experience Duncan Hunter has. (This is a sincere question, not a rhetorical one.)


141 posted on 02/23/2007 9:24:49 AM PST by joylyn
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To: babygene

No, it does not. Please!


142 posted on 02/23/2007 9:25:17 AM PST by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: daviddennis
I just plain don't believe that Rudy or any other President is going to waste time on these issues,

You don't get it, do you?

A President Giuliani might not have to spend more than five minutes on legislation regarding these issues - long enough to either sign it or veto it.

The point is, his choice of actions determines whether a renewal of the assault weapons ban or a revocation of the PBA ban requires a simple majority or a 2/3rds supermajority. THAT is why who sits in the Oval Office is a big deal for those issues.

143 posted on 02/23/2007 9:26:01 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Corin Stormhands

With all due respect, I think Rudy-Rooters like yourself are getting a little nervous about an "unknown" jumping out of the bushes and making Rudy pee himself.

He will split the GOP, as is indicated on the current FR Poll. The HildaBeast as POTUS will be the death of "America, The Great Experiment". Sad, but true and you surely must realize it.


144 posted on 02/23/2007 9:26:12 AM PST by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: Alberta's Child

I agree with your sentiments. In many ways, a Giuliani nomination will redefine what it means to be a Republican. That redefinition would coincide with a sad defeat for conservative ideology.


145 posted on 02/23/2007 9:27:11 AM PST by Flightdeck
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To: Sabramerican

"Conservative principles will have to take a back seat to competence dealing with huge international and economic issues."



Why? Are you saying that we MUST abandon conservative principles to survive?
I suspect that what you are really trying to tell me is that you want things your way, and to Hell with my principles.


146 posted on 02/23/2007 9:27:55 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: CindyDawg
In all fairness though, have you ever chucked about the picture of "Carey in the bunny suit"?

Sure I have. I've even photoshopped it.

The difference is though, it's clearly a joke.

The Anti-Rudy Oompa-Loompas (necessary to the plot but still annoying) post the Rudy pictures and either imply or outright state that he's a "cross-dresser."

And that's a lie.

JoinRudy2008 * Virginia is for Rudy * The Ward View

147 posted on 02/23/2007 9:29:35 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (If you don't support their mission, you don't support the troops.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Bravo! Bravo!!

148 posted on 02/23/2007 9:29:35 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
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To: beltfed308
Long shot or not Duncan Hunter is my only option.

That's why so many of us are going for Rudy. Because Duncan is a longshot. I don't understand why he has to be the only option. The election is 2 years away. There is time to push another candidate. I'd back someone like Santorum.

149 posted on 02/23/2007 9:33:16 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: dirtboy

Sure, you cling to your sense of righteousness and moral superiority and just keep telling yourself you're different from those other guys over there who also claim to be enacting God's will against unwilling sinners.

I mean, you're different right? Christians believe in love, compassion, and forgiveness, right? They don't believe in judging people, right? Its the biggest load I've heard since, well, maybe Hitlary's last speech.


150 posted on 02/23/2007 9:33:29 AM PST by kaotic133
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