Skip to comments.A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)
Posted on 02/23/2007 7:45:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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Many valid points yet many silly analogies. The this % and that % stuff being the most silly........
If you want to get real honest blame your man Bush for the perspective America now has as a voting block. It's going to be more centrist if not slightly left. It is a reaction to the bungles and misdeeds of the present man in office. It is a natural reaction. And we will pay for it this time around.
So that said.... no Duncan Hunter is winning the White House. Be true to yourselves and vote that way. It may take a Hillary 4 year term to change the tide back in our direction
Well reasoned and well said.
" than those principles which are clearly defined by Divine revelation and proven over time to be paramount- "
Funny, I get a different Divine revelation out of the Bible and it has precious little to do with aligning federal law with Puritanical bigotry.
I won't miss you guys either when you pack your bags and find some nutjob 3rd party that embraces secular enforcement of a specific religious interpretation. Maybe after that, we in the GOP can get back to the issue of limiting federal power, reach, and wealth. Lord knows those issues have been neglected completely in the wake of this failed, and *painfully embarassing* religious coup.
I hear the Taliban has good, "conservative" responses to gays, abortions, and adultery. Check out of Qu'ran maybe you'll find some inspiration for your psuedo-crusade of morally judging people through secular law.
I don't like the slamming of him or anyone else people support here and wish it would stop. In all fairness though, have you ever chucked about the picture of "Carey in the bunny suit"?
I think an explanation on how you arrived at the 20% conservative statistics might be in order. Anyone can draw a number out of the air and it seems to me that is what you did.
Anybody who trusts Rudy's promises on judges is a fool. A guy who supports abortion and believes the 2nd Amendment is about hunting wouldn't know original intent or "strict constuctionism" if it bit him on the @$$.
That is just darn sad.
That is fine and that is your right. If you feel that you need to vote third party then have to.
So because it was said in 2004, now Kerik and Giuliani should be looked upon as if they have changed their character? You still cannot deny that the story is true. Giuliani is not suited to select someone to run the Homeland Security, and his business partners and dealings are a sham.
Is this really the best America can come up with for a Presidential candidate? Get serious. If Rudy has this much opposition from his own party, can you imagine the crap that will be tossed at him from the Democrats?
No one has shown that to be true. Explain why that is true please. It seems it is mostly a few posters here that would not vote for him under any circumstances, and that is just plain stupid in my opinion.
If Rudy is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
..stay tuned, kaotic, you just may get your wish
Sounds like you have some serious issues with religious conservatives--sorry to upset your world...
That's the kind of crap I expect to see on DU - comparing Christian values towards abortion to the Taliban. The fact that Rudy boosters are resorting to such speaks volumes about them and their candidate.
Now that kind of attitude will help a lot..../sarcasm
Good work, thanks.
It's a good thing the French donated her when they did. If the donation had been a century later, she'd be holding a white flag instead of a torch.
Nice attitude. Maybe I should add you to a few ping lists that you don't want to be on.
So your belief is that Rudy is running for President so that he can focus on social issues and leave a lasting legacy? I'm betting you couldn't be further off the mark.
Thank you for your intelligent, quality post. If you decide to have a ping list, please add me to it.
I suppose you would call me a Wall Street Journal Republican. I think of illegal immigrants as people who are struggling for a better life by going through incredible hardships to get here, and then doing the most menial jobs, ones that Americans have largely abandoned.
Although I understand and respect many people who do not share my position - which includes most of FR - I think it's a big stretch to lump illegal immigrants in with thieves, murders and rapists.
I lived in Los Angeles for most of my life, and left because I lost my job and couldn't afford to keep my house :-(. I wish I was still there, but a friend found me a job in Pennsylvania, and here I am. I'm absolutely miserable here, and one reason is that there is no dynamism. What happened yesterday is what happens today and will happen tomorrow. Illegal immigrants add spice and dynamism to society. If there's one thing worse than overpopulation thanks to illegal immigrants, it's underpopulation thanks to nobody caring anymore.
During my time in Los Angeles, I have never -- repeat -- never -- had any trouble with illegals. Their presence helps business grow that could not otherwise afford to exist. The very company I worked for almost certainly (I never checked anyone's papers) owed its existance to the hard work of illegals, and it also employed many true-blue Americans at good wages(*).
Illegals cause problems but also create opportunities. I think the opportunities are greater than the problems, and I gather Rudy Giuliani agrees with me.
So I think you can say we have a reasonable disagreement on that particular issue.
'Concerning the abortion and gun control issues, I've made a point in my posts that nobody's made a satisfactory response to. I just plain don't believe that Rudy or any other President is going to waste time on these issues, and so regardless of how I stand on them I will not base my support or opposition to a candidate on her or his positions on them. For this reason, I'm just not sure why people make such a fuss about them. President Bush, for example, is against abortion, but has he made a single move to change the law? Rudy Giuliani is for abortion, but I'd be shocked if he would mention the word even once as President.
Why do we waste our time asking about issues that are never going to come up?
Finally, I think it would be remiss if I didn't address our pal Bernie. From what I can see, he was apparently quite a capable police commissioner, and the previous people in the job fell flat on their faces. So maybe he wasn't such a bad appointment after all, on the whole.
I guess he did some Bad Things, too. But did he and Rudy Giuliani not work hard and well to clean up NYC? He's paid his fine and made up for his mistakes. Now he can't work for government again. Justice has been served. The End.
I wonder how many completely honest people there are in government. I think most freepers would answer that question with a derisive laugh and a snort. And in that case, again, if we strike a balance through Rudy's record, it looks overwhelmingly positive. He did great things while in power.
How many of his opponents can say that?
(*) Incidentally, all our employees were legally on payroll and got the usual employment benefits, including workers' comp. So in the case of our specific business, you can't use the argument that their health costs were subsidized.
No, and please show me where I said that.
Instead, I doubt he would be able to reisit the temptation to go along with some social engineering when presented the opportunity. Or even call for some himself.
Yet is it in any way untrue? Strip away international politics and examine the domestic agenda of all religiously conservative political groups and you will find precious little difference. It has a lot to do with establishing a society of conformity and a moral majority.. Not very different from the socialist goal, just with different talking points and the arrogance of "God told me so."
"They think I'm interesting!"
Bump for later.
In the meantime
Friday, February 23, 2007
"All Of Us Make Mistakes"
Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:04 AM
That's one of the answers Rudy Giuliani gave to one of my questions in an interview taped Thursday which will air today.
We also discuss Mitt Romney's religion, Hillary and Obama, and the longest speech the Mayor has ever given --at which I was present.
First hour, first two segments.
And, no, the question wasn't whether he had bought my book.
while I have problems with Rudy, my point has always been it may take someone like Rudy to beat Hillary. Someone who can get down and dirty, and is not afraid to throw some mud, because you KNOW the Clinton smear machine will.
The sad part is that there are many anti-religious bigots out there who would love for the Religious Right to just go away.
I'm not sure where they come from, but they are a small segment of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan. I refer to them as the Agnostic wing of the GOP. Tiny, but throwing grenades at the Christian voters.
You truly are an idiot. Once again, you sound just like a dumbass DU poster comparing Christian conservatives to Islamists.
Last I checked, Christians aren't engaging in global terrorist campaigns, beheading captives and shooting women who won't wear a burka. Just for starters.
Go somewhere else where they wallow in that kind of ignorance.
Those who get all worked up about those pictures have such a skewed sense of humor and proportion or both, the rest of their perspective is called into question.
I don't get this at all...just because people don't agree on what is "humor" , it calls into question their perspective?????
I could turn that around you know, and say that since you do find that sort of thing humorous, your perspective is called into question.
What Rudy does for humor is Rudy's business, what his stance on major issues such as abortion, gun control, and gay rights, is what concerns me.
Personally, I would like to see an adequate, reasonable defense for these issues addressed by a Republican Rudy supporter.
Thanks for the ping.
While Mayor Rudy Giuliani is a very likeable and somewhat admirable man, he does not possess or share my conservative values. Even Mayor Richie Daley of Chicago appears more conservative than Mayor Giuliani.
While there is no way I will not support Mr. Giuliani for the Republican Presidential nomination, I would support Rudy for New York Senator.
"They think I'm interesting!"
FOOLED EM AGAIN! :-)
Getting past name recognition, which can be fixed, what's not supportable about Duncan Hunter?http://www.gohunter08.com/
I completely agree with this post. Those of you who find New York City too foreign can't reach out to voters in any blue urban areas -- and these areas keep growing across the country. Maybe red staters have more children, but these children go off to college, move to blue urban areas and develp bluish perspectives. Hence, if you can't even envision working or communicatine with such people, you're not going to win them over. And you're going to have a hard go winning any national offices in 2008 or beyond.
By the way, I don't know anyone in New York who thought Rudy was "weird." Many here saw him as ultra right wing, which makes the diatribes here rather amusing.
My other problem with this post is that I don't choose a candidate based on a laundry list of his positions on the issues. Maybe this makes sense when voting for the legislature, but hardly for president! Someone please tell me what executive experience Duncan Hunter has. (This is a sincere question, not a rhetorical one.)
No, it does not. Please!
You don't get it, do you?
A President Giuliani might not have to spend more than five minutes on legislation regarding these issues - long enough to either sign it or veto it.
The point is, his choice of actions determines whether a renewal of the assault weapons ban or a revocation of the PBA ban requires a simple majority or a 2/3rds supermajority. THAT is why who sits in the Oval Office is a big deal for those issues.
With all due respect, I think Rudy-Rooters like yourself are getting a little nervous about an "unknown" jumping out of the bushes and making Rudy pee himself.
He will split the GOP, as is indicated on the current FR Poll. The HildaBeast as POTUS will be the death of "America, The Great Experiment". Sad, but true and you surely must realize it.
I agree with your sentiments. In many ways, a Giuliani nomination will redefine what it means to be a Republican. That redefinition would coincide with a sad defeat for conservative ideology.
"Conservative principles will have to take a back seat to competence dealing with huge international and economic issues."
Sure I have. I've even photoshopped it.
The difference is though, it's clearly a joke.
The Anti-Rudy Oompa-Loompas (necessary to the plot but still annoying) post the Rudy pictures and either imply or outright state that he's a "cross-dresser."
And that's a lie.
That's why so many of us are going for Rudy. Because Duncan is a longshot. I don't understand why he has to be the only option. The election is 2 years away. There is time to push another candidate. I'd back someone like Santorum.
Sure, you cling to your sense of righteousness and moral superiority and just keep telling yourself you're different from those other guys over there who also claim to be enacting God's will against unwilling sinners.
I mean, you're different right? Christians believe in love, compassion, and forgiveness, right? They don't believe in judging people, right? Its the biggest load I've heard since, well, maybe Hitlary's last speech.