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Gun Remark Kills Outdoorsman's Career (WP)
The Washington Post ^ | 24 FEB 07 | Blaine Harden

Posted on 02/24/2007 5:18:52 PM PST by xsrdx

SEATTLE - Modern hunters rarely become more famous than Jim Zumbo. A mustachioed, barrel-chested outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near Yellowstone National Park, he has spent much of his life writing for prominent outdoors magazines, delivering lectures across the country and starring in cable TV shows about big-game hunting in the West.

Zumbo's fame, however, has turned to black-bordered infamy within America's gun culture -- and his multimedia success has come undone. It all happened in the past week, after he publicly criticized the use of military-style assault rifles by hunters, especially those gunning for prairie dogs.

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To: DJ Taylor

That's quite a varmint rifle!

Seriously though, the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

I'm happy to see so many folks here that understand that.

This is a sad day, though, none the less. (Head in hands)


101 posted on 02/24/2007 6:53:56 PM PST by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I agree with every word of your post. Excellent.


102 posted on 02/24/2007 6:56:11 PM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: xsrdx

http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/gunnut/2007/02/zumbomania_davi.html

More entertainment.


103 posted on 02/24/2007 6:56:50 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: gotribe
For all intents and purposes the 2nd Amendment today is about hunting weapons.

Hope you have your asbestos undies handy 'cuz you're gonna need them. I'll be right back after my popcorn comes out of the microwave...;-)

104 posted on 02/24/2007 6:57:43 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Spirochete
Actually, a guy named Petzal at Field and Stream did the same thing in 1993, and got away with it (at least until today---it appears the back-blast from Zumbo has recalled him to the active memory of the "black guns" community, and a similar ****storm is going on at HIS blog.

Belated, but well deserved.

105 posted on 02/24/2007 6:59:10 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Spirochete
Rush was a relative newcomer

I still remember being infuriated with Rush on the day they voted on the AW ban. He started off his show talking about something really important happening in the House that day, and then went off about some BS bill I had never heard of, when I knew they were voting on the AW ban that day. He could have prevented that ban single-handedly if he had simply mentioned it on his show.

106 posted on 02/24/2007 6:59:40 PM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: MichiganConservative
Why do people seem to be down on "select-fire" weapons here?

That was the great RKBA division of '34, I believe. That was the last time there was real success at spalling off one group of firearms owners and declaring their arms a 'device of evil'.

The 2nd amendment prohibits the federal government from making laws relating to arms - period.

Yes, but the hit parade of infringements just keeps coming and coming.

As long as people are too stupid or historically challenged to realize the founders (who had just wrested control from a tyrannical government) wanted the people to be armed to guard themselves against tyranny, the infringements will continue.

Hunting was viewed as a 'right' in need of protection about as much as we would seek to protect the right to go grocery shopping today.

107 posted on 02/24/2007 7:00:58 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: DJ Taylor

That your gun and ammo? Impressive rounds.


108 posted on 02/24/2007 7:03:30 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Melas
Agreed, which is why I used assault rifle and not assault weapon.

Yup. But AnAmericanMother mentioned "assault weapons", so...

Also, there are often lurkers on these threads, including some who don't know a whole lot about firearms.

I try to keep that in mind, when posting to threads like this. I hope it doesn't make me sound too much like a broken record.

109 posted on 02/24/2007 7:04:28 PM PST by holymoly (Molon Labe)
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To: Smokin' Joe
As long as people are too stupid or historically challenged...

I think that will be the case for a long time. The sheeple seem to like being house slaves. It is pretty sad what happened to this country.

110 posted on 02/24/2007 7:05:02 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Your government is your freedom's biggest enemy.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Now the anti's are going after .22's and shotguns along with semiautomatics.

They won't stop until they get the guns designed to project the dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide. (did you know that even small children can legally buy them - with no background check?)

111 posted on 02/24/2007 7:05:03 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( for those in Rio Linda, there's conservapedia)
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To: driftdiver
By the way, that was quick work and quite appropiate too.

I can't take credit for it. I found it over at AR15.COM

I've got a couple, maybe three more I found there, and elsewhere, if anyone wants a chuckle.

112 posted on 02/24/2007 7:06:01 PM PST by holymoly (Molon Labe)
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To: T-Bird45

Just trying to square the document with reality. Somewhere along the line we lost our rights to bear whatever arms we need to overthrow our government. Even the NRA doesn't seem interested in allowing that. So if the intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep government at bay through the threat of force and a bloody revolution every 200 years, how is that possible today?


113 posted on 02/24/2007 7:06:57 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
...chemical dihydrogen monoxide.

That stuff can kill you! It should be banned for the children. They should make that a controlled substance to save the children from accidental poisoning.

114 posted on 02/24/2007 7:07:18 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Your government is your freedom's biggest enemy.)
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To: holymoly
Obviously, Mr. Harden has been drinking the Brady Campaign Kool-Aid.

The Washington Post one published anti-gun articles or Editorials over 300 days in a row. Don't expect truth from them. They are the "running dog lackys" of the forces of tyranny. The best thing about the Compost is that its circulation is declining like all other urban marxist rags

115 posted on 02/24/2007 7:07:55 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: DJ Taylor

no wonder the groundhog didn't come out this year...


116 posted on 02/24/2007 7:08:56 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Wonder Warthog

See post 103 above. Same idiot.


117 posted on 02/24/2007 7:09:34 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Melas
I should have said, "originally designed for" special forces = Sturmgewehr.

My personal opinion is that the battle rifle should be brought back for regular troops. "Spray and pray" has been no substitute for good marksmanship.

118 posted on 02/24/2007 7:14:03 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Jonah Hex
Some gun porn for you, then... :-)

Romanian AK?

119 posted on 02/24/2007 7:14:06 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: Russ
"What Zumbo said was stupid and wrong but it amazes me how vicious we on the right become..."

Last time I checked STUPID and WRONG were not qualities we on the right looked for in our leaders. As a business owner STUPID and WRONG is not even something I look for in my least critical employee. If we were to gladly put up with leadership types and talking heads who were prone to be STUPID and WRONG how would we be able to tell ourselves from the democrats?

Although I never knew this Zumbo, I'm glad we live in a free market society where nobody has the right to piss on his customers with impunity.
Quite frankly I believe that not only does Mr. Zumbo not understand the original intent of our second amendment but he also arrogantly fails to grasp what hunting originally was. A desperate attempt to feed one's self and family by capturing and/or killing unowned wildlife in the most expeditious way possible.
If a hungry Daniel Boone, or Kit Carson had been given an "assault rifle" I guarantee you they'd have pitched their flintlock in a heartbeat and hunted with the best firepower they could bring to bear on those tasty animals. Leave it to some latter-day windbag to pompously declare that hunting is only hunting when done per his preferred tradition.
120 posted on 02/24/2007 7:14:59 PM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: Terriergal

"The reaction -- from tens of thousands of owners of assault rifles across the country"

Eh, try tens of millions of owners of assault rifles.


121 posted on 02/24/2007 7:15:40 PM PST by Cruz
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To: Terriergal

How many here think there are just tens of thousands of these semi-auto or self loading rifles. It in more like tens of millions. Out of 280 million guns owned millions are of the type. I mean a technology that is over 100 years old. SIGH!!!!!!!!!!


122 posted on 02/24/2007 7:15:43 PM PST by therut
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To: Spirochete
Things are different now.

I personally know literally dozens of guys who had no interest in guns of ANY kind until Clinton said they couldn't have them. Now they are 2A hardliners and black rifle addicts.

123 posted on 02/24/2007 7:17:26 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Russ

NOT ALL GUNOWNERS ARE ON THE RIGHT. Something people need to understand. Do not let the media propaganda educate you. Many gun owners are Democrats. Many. 80% of gun owners do not hunt.


124 posted on 02/24/2007 7:20:59 PM PST by therut
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To: Smokin' Joe
That was the great RKBA division of '34, I believe. That was the last time there was real success at spalling off one group of firearms owners and declaring their arms a 'device of evil'.

Not true 1986 was the last time that full autos were cut off. Republican President Demosh!t Kongress - Kind of like what we have now.

Notice that when the Democrats are in power, their first priority is push for the destruction of our second amendment rights. When the Republicans are in power they do nothing to roll back the infringements put in by the democrats and eagerly enforced by the traitors in the federal bureaucracy.

125 posted on 02/24/2007 7:23:19 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: gotribe
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

There is the text and I am having a hard time seeing "overthrow the government" in those words. I know about some of the associated writings of the Founders such as "the tree of liberty requires blood", etc. but I don't see this Amendment as the source for government overthrow. It is, however, definitely not about hunting and that is the crux of the Zumbo matter.

126 posted on 02/24/2007 7:26:06 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I met one of those guys in 1994 at a local range. He said that he never owned a weapon in his life but when the feds wanted to take AR's, hi-cap magazines and semi-auto shotguns away from him as a law-abiding citizen, he went out and bought all three. I laughed for weeks, but was damn glad that some folks still have brains.


127 posted on 02/24/2007 7:27:40 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of RINOs.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

"I personally know literally dozens of guys who had no interest in guns of ANY kind until Clinton said they couldn't have them. Now they are 2A hardliners and black rifle addicts."

I never owned a semi-automatic rifle until Clinton became our president and moved congress to pass the AWB. I ran up my credit cards buying rifles and high-capacity magazines. I also made many aware of the ramifications of the AWB and the slippery downslope that follows.

I also personally signed up over three dozen NRA members in the mid-90's, about a 1/3 are still members and are now hard-core. Now that the dim's have power AND are clamoring for more gun-laws, I am going the get the NRA 1-800 # handy to sign up new members. The only thing these idiot politicians understand are millions of pissed off one-issue voters.


128 posted on 02/24/2007 7:28:54 PM PST by Cruz
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To: gotribe

Surely you jest. You apparently have NO IDEA.


129 posted on 02/24/2007 7:30:07 PM PST by therut
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To: gotribe
"Somewhere along the line we lost our rights to bear whatever arms we need to overthrow our government."

Probably all started back when they banned cannons.

"So if the intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep government at bay through the threat of force and a bloody revolution every 200 years, how is that possible today?"

Do you really think the American military will ever agree to take on 80 million American firearm owners? Who would they bomb with their sophisticated weapons of mass destruction? Their own liberal infested cities? That'll create a lot of friends.

As long as there are firearms widely distributed amongst the population, the threat of force of a bloody revolution can exist. As long as that threat exists, the government is still basically responsible to answer to the people.

This is why there is such a strong apprehension to gun banning of any kind. It reduces the potential threat.

130 posted on 02/24/2007 7:31:26 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: xsrdx
If you have been following Ted Nugent's forum, Zumbo finally came out with an acceptable apology on the 3rd try.

"Thank you all for letting me speak. Yes, I know the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and hunting guns, and yes, I promise you I am now dedicated to educate all shooters that we must all stick together regardless of our gun choices, and also tolerate the firearms others may choose to use if they are dissimilar to ours. I will do everything I can, within my power as a journalist and public speaker, to protect the 2nd Amendment and America's gun owners."

http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/287127.html

Quotation by prominent gun writer in a private forum:

Well, in the bigger picture, what has happened to Zumbo and now Petzal serves as a signal to Congress, as that gomer wrote in the Washington Post article.

If we, as a community, are willing to butcher giants like Zumbo and Petzal in public, it may give some of those on Capitol Hill pause before they try to take on gun rights. "We have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve."

The timing of this is remarkable. Carolyn McCarthy introduced HR 1022 the other day to renew and expand the AWB. and make it permanent. Days later, the EBR community (Evil Black Rifle) is energized as they have not been before. Even if it was only a lynch party, they may now be fired up enough to turn their attention toward their own congressional representatives.

We can only hope. To that end. Zumbo probably DID do us all a favor.

I learned some really interesting things in watching the various forums, the main thing being that the companies that sell black rifles must be distributing history books because the guys with those rifles are the ones who "get it" about the 2nd Amendment.

New Lexicon:

FUDD - Hunters who don't understand the 2nd Amendment.
ARF - Someone who owns an "EBR". Contraction of AR-Fifteen.
EBR - Evil black rifle
GOMER - Haven't figured this one out yet. Seems to be the opposite
of a FUDD. May be a reference to Gomer Pyle.

Zumbo's replacement is David Petzal who is now getting "Zumboed":

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=257553
http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/gunnut/2007/02/zumbomania_davi.html
http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/gunnut/2007/02/zumbomania_part.html

Bulletin board to coordinate blog swarms:

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=304334&page=1&pp=30


131 posted on 02/24/2007 7:32:37 PM PST by Mini-14
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To: freeplancer

WOW!!! This is looking a lot like a lib-site. What’s his name is an idiot, you’re a jerk, and who the hell are you to be thinking anything?

In my humble opinion, there have been a bunch of idiots, jerks, and people not thinking – writing a bunch of crap here.

So who among you actually hunts prairie dogs? Do you machinegun them? They are big and fat, they’re slow and easy targets. A 22 or a slingshot would the weapon of choice.

The man apologized. His apology should be considered. And Ted Nugent is an honorable man – more than I can say for a bunch of you.


132 posted on 02/24/2007 7:33:58 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Dale 1

LOL - you're either a pinhead or you don't know much about your freedoms. In either case, you're a hoot.


133 posted on 02/24/2007 7:36:23 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of RINOs.)
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To: Terriergal
Huh?????

I guess they think there's a big enough crowd of blueblood Republicrat hunters and only a few 'assault weapons' owners (e.g. semiautomatic owners) and ne'er the two shall meet and overlap.

No it is attempt to draw a line of departure as to value, say a collection of beautiful per 64 model 70 Winchesters as to the value of a plastic stock ak for example.

However, you can make book on the fact that as soon as the democrats get one they will come after the other.

134 posted on 02/24/2007 7:37:15 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Dale 1

Awfully elitist attitude to assume to tell us idiots what is the proper kind of firearm for prairie dogs. You sound just like Zumbo.


135 posted on 02/24/2007 7:37:15 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Bob Mc

Also you have to ask yourself


Which side will the military be on. Not all will be on one side.


136 posted on 02/24/2007 7:38:15 PM PST by therut
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To: Mini-14

"Here's how it is. Tho a nice man, there was a maniacally out of touch Jim Zumbo right into Sunday 2-18-07. He got coldcocked by his friends & enemies alike, rightly so, for his outrageously insane antigun statements, most offensively calling for a ban & daring to reference our beloved rifles to terrorists. I cannot imagine a dumber, more egregious mistake against his own. Then Monday 2-19 arose, I & others intensely educated Jim to his 1-ignorance, 2-insane antigun mindset, 3-how perfect all guns are, 4-that the 2nd Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. On all counts, Jim Zumbo, after a long, illustrious 67 year life & blindfolded gun career, now stands ABSOLUTELY with 2nd Amendment ABSOLUTISTS & not only deserves our forgiveness, he & we all need to take advantage of his horrific mistake & let all gunners who are so stupid to think the way he did prior to 2-18 that they are deadass wrong & out & out antigun AND THAT ALL OF EM MUST UPGRADE as Jim has done. This is a grand "Spotlight the Cockroach" moment my friends. Use it wisely & frwd motion will be ours. Thankyou all for your input, now let us UPGRADE on, shall we!"

A post from The Nuge. I always wished The Nuge would run for some public office, he has a way with words.


137 posted on 02/24/2007 7:39:15 PM PST by Cruz
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To: Krankor
Hunting prairie dogs with assault weapons? How is that a sport?

1. What's an assault weapon? (Or, more accurately, what weapon is not an "assault weapon"?)

2. What's the problem with hunting prairie dogs? It's not as if they're in short supply or are beneficial in any way (other than as a food-chain member)

3. If you'd read with some effort, you'd realize that the idea the author is proposing is preposterous (as well as false, emotion-laden, and intentionally deceptive). Spraying bullets at small, fast targets who hide underground would simply be wasting money and making noise. Why spend $40 in ammo in 6 seconds just to scare away the varmint hordes and ruin the hunt for everyone? The entire point of the exercise is one-shot-one-kill (and don't terrify the rest into hiding for the day). If you just want to make holes in the dirt and hear loud noises, you don't need prairie dogs to do so. There are plenty of places to go shooting at fake targets that don't run away.

138 posted on 02/24/2007 7:39:44 PM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

How many people are registered at AR15.com?  Over 118,000

The Most Users Online Was 11785 On 9/23/2006 1:44:58 AM .
We have 118516 registered members, 118322 are active accounts.
There have been 899205 topics created and 10982226 replies.

139 posted on 02/24/2007 7:40:54 PM PST by Mini-14
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To: therut
In fact, I would dare venture to say, that a very large portion of the military comes from rural America, with family and friends who own firearms. I don't think they will mindlessly follow an order to shoot their own brethren.
140 posted on 02/24/2007 7:41:29 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: driftdiver; marron; xsrdx; Spirochete; Thumper1960
Well, according to this article, the writer says an associate of JZ implied, yet again, that we are terrorists.

It was the editor in chief of Outdoor Life who had accepted (reluctantly?) JZ's resignation.

Here's where to find it: After going to the link at the top of this thread, look near the very of the article (2nd page) for the following:

What is with this LIKE? What part of "we don't deserve being called something we're not" doesn't this effing moron get?

Had he said "They don't deserve being called terrorists." Mr. Smith would have been defending us.

But instead, by saying that American gun-owners "don't like being called terrorists," I think he revealed too much. Mr. Smith's words sound like he's comparing us to Al Qaeda which doesn't like being called terrorists either even though that is what they actually are. Al Qeada earned the word Mr. Smith!

Either these people just don't get it, or that is the thinking they must have before they can get a job in any old style media (especially one like Outdoor Life that is owned by Time Inc).

141 posted on 02/24/2007 7:42:48 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: marron
...There are actors whose movies I no longer watch, singers whose records I no longer buy, and writers I don't read. Its not a boycott,...

Well, I do the same thing, and it IS a boycott. If they work towards destroying my country, I won't contribute to their income.

P.S. With reference to singers whose records I no longer buy, high on the list is Tony Bennett, that left-wing POS. He contributes bigtime to the Democratic Party. Well, it won't be with my money.

142 posted on 02/24/2007 7:43:35 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Dale 1

The .223 is a type of .22 caliber. It is not a high power caliber. They are NOT machine guns. Have you ever shot at something that small a hundred or more yards away? Apparently NOT. Would you FEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL better if I used my ..............................22 magnum semi auto or bolt action rifle. PLUS YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. WE are speaking about the 2nd AMendment and it IS NOT about HUNTING>


143 posted on 02/24/2007 7:44:02 PM PST by therut
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To: Bob Mc
Probably all started back when they banned cannons.

In 1968 the Kongrss banned "destructive devices" including anything over .5 cal However, they didn't keep the police from arming up

144 posted on 02/24/2007 7:44:03 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: digger48

There are hunters, there are assault weapons owners and then there are cowboy action shooters. The last time I looked the SASS badges were up in the 60,000. These are folks with play money to burn and a close eye on the Second Amendment. As far as hunting guns costing a lot of money price a first generation Colt single action or an old Winchester lever action rifle. Cowboy action shooters have the passion and the money to burn.


145 posted on 02/24/2007 7:44:58 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: flashbunny

the Brady bunch used his comments within the hour. Literally they will continue to do so as long as it suits them,Zumbo is sadly by his own efforts TOAST!


146 posted on 02/24/2007 7:45:14 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: from occupied ga

You don't get it. The cops need kind of vehicle in case they have to run over a house because someone might be growing the wrong plants inside.


147 posted on 02/24/2007 7:46:08 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Your government is your freedom's biggest enemy.)
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To: gotribe
You don't need a single weapon that is capable of "overthrowing the government". You don't need F-16's to defeat an out-of-control American tyrant. You simply need enough people with enough competent firearms that can defeat an opposing force equipped with similar weaponry. (Heck, even with slightly less-modern weapons, individuals can "find" the modern variants simply by killing an opponent and taking his.)

Japan's leaders were terrified of the idea of invading America (although they were considering the possibility). They correctly foresaw "a sniper rifle behind every blade of grass".

Never underestimate the power of 10,000,000 practiced shooters who can never be massed in a single location.

148 posted on 02/24/2007 7:46:11 PM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: Bob Mc

Try dynamite – it works every time.

Enjoy.


149 posted on 02/24/2007 7:47:20 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Dale 1
So who among you actually hunts prairie dogs? Do you machinegun them? They are big and fat, they’re slow and easy targets. A 22 or a slingshot would the weapon of choice.

Your ignorance of hunting is beyond words.

150 posted on 02/24/2007 7:48:30 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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