Skip to comments.Gun Remark Kills Outdoorsman's Career (WP)
Posted on 02/24/2007 5:18:52 PM PST by xsrdx
SEATTLE - Modern hunters rarely become more famous than Jim Zumbo. A mustachioed, barrel-chested outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near Yellowstone National Park, he has spent much of his life writing for prominent outdoors magazines, delivering lectures across the country and starring in cable TV shows about big-game hunting in the West.
Zumbo's fame, however, has turned to black-bordered infamy within America's gun culture -- and his multimedia success has come undone. It all happened in the past week, after he publicly criticized the use of military-style assault rifles by hunters, especially those gunning for prairie dogs.
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That's quite a varmint rifle!
Seriously though, the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
I'm happy to see so many folks here that understand that.
This is a sad day, though, none the less. (Head in hands)
I agree with every word of your post. Excellent.
Hope you have your asbestos undies handy 'cuz you're gonna need them. I'll be right back after my popcorn comes out of the microwave...;-)
Belated, but well deserved.
I still remember being infuriated with Rush on the day they voted on the AW ban. He started off his show talking about something really important happening in the House that day, and then went off about some BS bill I had never heard of, when I knew they were voting on the AW ban that day. He could have prevented that ban single-handedly if he had simply mentioned it on his show.
That was the great RKBA division of '34, I believe. That was the last time there was real success at spalling off one group of firearms owners and declaring their arms a 'device of evil'.
The 2nd amendment prohibits the federal government from making laws relating to arms - period.
Yes, but the hit parade of infringements just keeps coming and coming.
As long as people are too stupid or historically challenged to realize the founders (who had just wrested control from a tyrannical government) wanted the people to be armed to guard themselves against tyranny, the infringements will continue.
Hunting was viewed as a 'right' in need of protection about as much as we would seek to protect the right to go grocery shopping today.
That your gun and ammo? Impressive rounds.
Yup. But AnAmericanMother mentioned "assault weapons", so...
Also, there are often lurkers on these threads, including some who don't know a whole lot about firearms.
I try to keep that in mind, when posting to threads like this. I hope it doesn't make me sound too much like a broken record.
I think that will be the case for a long time. The sheeple seem to like being house slaves. It is pretty sad what happened to this country.
They won't stop until they get the guns designed to project the dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide. (did you know that even small children can legally buy them - with no background check?)
I can't take credit for it. I found it over at AR15.COM
I've got a couple, maybe three more I found there, and elsewhere, if anyone wants a chuckle.
Just trying to square the document with reality. Somewhere along the line we lost our rights to bear whatever arms we need to overthrow our government. Even the NRA doesn't seem interested in allowing that. So if the intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep government at bay through the threat of force and a bloody revolution every 200 years, how is that possible today?
That stuff can kill you! It should be banned for the children. They should make that a controlled substance to save the children from accidental poisoning.
The Washington Post one published anti-gun articles or Editorials over 300 days in a row. Don't expect truth from them. They are the "running dog lackys" of the forces of tyranny. The best thing about the Compost is that its circulation is declining like all other urban marxist rags
no wonder the groundhog didn't come out this year...
See post 103 above. Same idiot.
My personal opinion is that the battle rifle should be brought back for regular troops. "Spray and pray" has been no substitute for good marksmanship.
"The reaction -- from tens of thousands of owners of assault rifles across the country"
Eh, try tens of millions of owners of assault rifles.
How many here think there are just tens of thousands of these semi-auto or self loading rifles. It in more like tens of millions. Out of 280 million guns owned millions are of the type. I mean a technology that is over 100 years old. SIGH!!!!!!!!!!
I personally know literally dozens of guys who had no interest in guns of ANY kind until Clinton said they couldn't have them. Now they are 2A hardliners and black rifle addicts.
NOT ALL GUNOWNERS ARE ON THE RIGHT. Something people need to understand. Do not let the media propaganda educate you. Many gun owners are Democrats. Many. 80% of gun owners do not hunt.
Not true 1986 was the last time that full autos were cut off. Republican President Demosh!t Kongress - Kind of like what we have now.
Notice that when the Democrats are in power, their first priority is push for the destruction of our second amendment rights. When the Republicans are in power they do nothing to roll back the infringements put in by the democrats and eagerly enforced by the traitors in the federal bureaucracy.
There is the text and I am having a hard time seeing "overthrow the government" in those words. I know about some of the associated writings of the Founders such as "the tree of liberty requires blood", etc. but I don't see this Amendment as the source for government overthrow. It is, however, definitely not about hunting and that is the crux of the Zumbo matter.
I met one of those guys in 1994 at a local range. He said that he never owned a weapon in his life but when the feds wanted to take AR's, hi-cap magazines and semi-auto shotguns away from him as a law-abiding citizen, he went out and bought all three. I laughed for weeks, but was damn glad that some folks still have brains.
"I personally know literally dozens of guys who had no interest in guns of ANY kind until Clinton said they couldn't have them. Now they are 2A hardliners and black rifle addicts."
I never owned a semi-automatic rifle until Clinton became our president and moved congress to pass the AWB. I ran up my credit cards buying rifles and high-capacity magazines. I also made many aware of the ramifications of the AWB and the slippery downslope that follows.
I also personally signed up over three dozen NRA members in the mid-90's, about a 1/3 are still members and are now hard-core. Now that the dim's have power AND are clamoring for more gun-laws, I am going the get the NRA 1-800 # handy to sign up new members. The only thing these idiot politicians understand are millions of pissed off one-issue voters.
Surely you jest. You apparently have NO IDEA.
Probably all started back when they banned cannons.
"So if the intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep government at bay through the threat of force and a bloody revolution every 200 years, how is that possible today?"
Do you really think the American military will ever agree to take on 80 million American firearm owners? Who would they bomb with their sophisticated weapons of mass destruction? Their own liberal infested cities? That'll create a lot of friends.
As long as there are firearms widely distributed amongst the population, the threat of force of a bloody revolution can exist. As long as that threat exists, the government is still basically responsible to answer to the people.
This is why there is such a strong apprehension to gun banning of any kind. It reduces the potential threat.
"Thank you all for letting me speak. Yes, I know the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and hunting guns, and yes, I promise you I am now dedicated to educate all shooters that we must all stick together regardless of our gun choices, and also tolerate the firearms others may choose to use if they are dissimilar to ours. I will do everything I can, within my power as a journalist and public speaker, to protect the 2nd Amendment and America's gun owners."
Quotation by prominent gun writer in a private forum:
Well, in the bigger picture, what has happened to Zumbo and now Petzal serves as a signal to Congress, as that gomer wrote in the Washington Post article.
If we, as a community, are willing to butcher giants like Zumbo and Petzal in public, it may give some of those on Capitol Hill pause before they try to take on gun rights. "We have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve."
The timing of this is remarkable. Carolyn McCarthy introduced HR 1022 the other day to renew and expand the AWB. and make it permanent. Days later, the EBR community (Evil Black Rifle) is energized as they have not been before. Even if it was only a lynch party, they may now be fired up enough to turn their attention toward their own congressional representatives.
We can only hope. To that end. Zumbo probably DID do us all a favor.
I learned some really interesting things in watching the various forums, the main thing being that the companies that sell black rifles must be distributing history books because the guys with those rifles are the ones who "get it" about the 2nd Amendment.
FUDD - Hunters who don't understand the 2nd Amendment.
ARF - Someone who owns an "EBR". Contraction of AR-Fifteen.
EBR - Evil black rifle
GOMER - Haven't figured this one out yet. Seems to be the opposite
of a FUDD. May be a reference to Gomer Pyle.
Zumbo's replacement is David Petzal who is now getting "Zumboed":
Bulletin board to coordinate blog swarms:
WOW!!! This is looking a lot like a lib-site. Whats his name is an idiot, youre a jerk, and who the hell are you to be thinking anything?
In my humble opinion, there have been a bunch of idiots, jerks, and people not thinking writing a bunch of crap here.
So who among you actually hunts prairie dogs? Do you machinegun them? They are big and fat, theyre slow and easy targets. A 22 or a slingshot would the weapon of choice.
The man apologized. His apology should be considered. And Ted Nugent is an honorable man more than I can say for a bunch of you.
LOL - you're either a pinhead or you don't know much about your freedoms. In either case, you're a hoot.
I guess they think there's a big enough crowd of blueblood Republicrat hunters and only a few 'assault weapons' owners (e.g. semiautomatic owners) and ne'er the two shall meet and overlap.
No it is attempt to draw a line of departure as to value, say a collection of beautiful per 64 model 70 Winchesters as to the value of a plastic stock ak for example.
However, you can make book on the fact that as soon as the democrats get one they will come after the other.
Awfully elitist attitude to assume to tell us idiots what is the proper kind of firearm for prairie dogs. You sound just like Zumbo.
Also you have to ask yourself
"Here's how it is. Tho a nice man, there was a maniacally out of touch Jim Zumbo right into Sunday 2-18-07. He got coldcocked by his friends & enemies alike, rightly so, for his outrageously insane antigun statements, most offensively calling for a ban & daring to reference our beloved rifles to terrorists. I cannot imagine a dumber, more egregious mistake against his own. Then Monday 2-19 arose, I & others intensely educated Jim to his 1-ignorance, 2-insane antigun mindset, 3-how perfect all guns are, 4-that the 2nd Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. On all counts, Jim Zumbo, after a long, illustrious 67 year life & blindfolded gun career, now stands ABSOLUTELY with 2nd Amendment ABSOLUTISTS & not only deserves our forgiveness, he & we all need to take advantage of his horrific mistake & let all gunners who are so stupid to think the way he did prior to 2-18 that they are deadass wrong & out & out antigun AND THAT ALL OF EM MUST UPGRADE as Jim has done. This is a grand "Spotlight the Cockroach" moment my friends. Use it wisely & frwd motion will be ours. Thankyou all for your input, now let us UPGRADE on, shall we!"
A post from The Nuge. I always wished The Nuge would run for some public office, he has a way with words.
1. What's an assault weapon? (Or, more accurately, what weapon is not an "assault weapon"?)
2. What's the problem with hunting prairie dogs? It's not as if they're in short supply or are beneficial in any way (other than as a food-chain member)
3. If you'd read with some effort, you'd realize that the idea the author is proposing is preposterous (as well as false, emotion-laden, and intentionally deceptive). Spraying bullets at small, fast targets who hide underground would simply be wasting money and making noise. Why spend $40 in ammo in 6 seconds just to scare away the varmint hordes and ruin the hunt for everyone? The entire point of the exercise is one-shot-one-kill (and don't terrify the rest into hiding for the day). If you just want to make holes in the dirt and hear loud noises, you don't need prairie dogs to do so. There are plenty of places to go shooting at fake targets that don't run away.
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It was the editor in chief of Outdoor Life who had accepted (reluctantly?) JZ's resignation.
Here's where to find it: After going to the link at the top of this thread, look near the very of the article (2nd page) for the following:
"Jim is a good guy, and I feel bad about this unfortunate situation," Smith said. "We are living in very delicate times. For someone to call these firearms 'terrorist' rifles, that is a flash-point word. You are painting a bunch of enthusiasts with the word. They don't like being called terrorists."
What is with this LIKE? What part of "we don't deserve being called something we're not" doesn't this effing moron get?
Had he said "They don't deserve being called terrorists." Mr. Smith would have been defending us.
But instead, by saying that American gun-owners "don't like being called terrorists," I think he revealed too much. Mr. Smith's words sound like he's comparing us to Al Qaeda which doesn't like being called terrorists either even though that is what they actually are. Al Qeada earned the word Mr. Smith!
Either these people just don't get it, or that is the thinking they must have before they can get a job in any old style media (especially one like Outdoor Life that is owned by Time Inc).
Well, I do the same thing, and it IS a boycott. If they work towards destroying my country, I won't contribute to their income.
P.S. With reference to singers whose records I no longer buy, high on the list is Tony Bennett, that left-wing POS. He contributes bigtime to the Democratic Party. Well, it won't be with my money.
The .223 is a type of .22 caliber. It is not a high power caliber. They are NOT machine guns. Have you ever shot at something that small a hundred or more yards away? Apparently NOT. Would you FEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL better if I used my ..............................22 magnum semi auto or bolt action rifle. PLUS YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. WE are speaking about the 2nd AMendment and it IS NOT about HUNTING>
In 1968 the Kongrss banned "destructive devices" including anything over .5 cal However, they didn't keep the police from arming up
There are hunters, there are assault weapons owners and then there are cowboy action shooters. The last time I looked the SASS badges were up in the 60,000. These are folks with play money to burn and a close eye on the Second Amendment. As far as hunting guns costing a lot of money price a first generation Colt single action or an old Winchester lever action rifle. Cowboy action shooters have the passion and the money to burn.
the Brady bunch used his comments within the hour. Literally they will continue to do so as long as it suits them,Zumbo is sadly by his own efforts TOAST!
You don't get it. The cops need kind of vehicle in case they have to run over a house because someone might be growing the wrong plants inside.
Japan's leaders were terrified of the idea of invading America (although they were considering the possibility). They correctly foresaw "a sniper rifle behind every blade of grass".
Never underestimate the power of 10,000,000 practiced shooters who can never be massed in a single location.
Try dynamite it works every time.
Your ignorance of hunting is beyond words.