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Gun Remark Kills Outdoorsman's Career (WP)
The Washington Post ^ | 24 FEB 07 | Blaine Harden

Posted on 02/24/2007 5:18:52 PM PST by xsrdx

SEATTLE - Modern hunters rarely become more famous than Jim Zumbo. A mustachioed, barrel-chested outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near Yellowstone National Park, he has spent much of his life writing for prominent outdoors magazines, delivering lectures across the country and starring in cable TV shows about big-game hunting in the West.

Zumbo's fame, however, has turned to black-bordered infamy within America's gun culture -- and his multimedia success has come undone. It all happened in the past week, after he publicly criticized the use of military-style assault rifles by hunters, especially those gunning for prairie dogs.

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To: Bob Mc

You can still own cannons. Some owners get together and have cannon shoots.


151 posted on 02/24/2007 7:48:48 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: headstamp

There are so many misrepresentations in that piece, some of them outright lies, that it would be difficult to know where to begin to refute them. This event provided an excellent vehicle for lying publicly about the aims and efforts of the NRA.


152 posted on 02/24/2007 7:49:08 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: flashbunny

Can I own an artillery piece? Where would I buy one and where would I get the ammo?


153 posted on 02/24/2007 7:50:15 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Dale 1

You are a pinhead. You decided a sneer and insult was a fitting repost. A principled man would've stood up and defended his words.


154 posted on 02/24/2007 7:51:13 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of RINOs.)
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To: muleskinner
"That your gun and ammo? Impressive rounds."

Nah, found the photo on the Internet and thought it was "purty."

Are you ATF?

155 posted on 02/24/2007 7:52:07 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: MichiganConservative
The cops need kind of vehicle in case they have to run over a house because someone might be growing the wrong plants inside.

Yes I just can't understand why our government needs military equipment to keep us inline.

156 posted on 02/24/2007 7:52:29 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Dale 1

Trying to zumbo yourself?

Plenty of people shoot prairie dogs at long distances with their rifles. A .22lr or slingshot are not long distance weapons. Accurized AR's are great for "varmint" hunting and are widely used. For about $1,000 (not counting glass) you (well, not YOU) can get a sub MOA rifle that can accept a 20 round mag (because 30's can cause trouble when prone).

Why give people crap when they've selected what many think is the best rifle for the job?


157 posted on 02/24/2007 7:54:56 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: from occupied ga
I just can't understand why our government needs military equipment to keep us inline.

Because they're feeling insecure from all the firepower the bad guys have stolen from law abiding citizens. Since the gub'mint isn't interested in prosecuting or eliminating armed criminal enterprise, by default you're the source of the problem.
158 posted on 02/24/2007 7:56:21 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of RINOs.)
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To: from occupied ga
"Yes I just can't understand why our government needs military equipment to keep us inline."

There wasn't supposed to be any need, at least it wasn't intended when our government was founded. In fact, the 2nd Amendment was to make certain we could keep the government inline.

159 posted on 02/24/2007 7:56:24 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Terriergal
Yeah but it kinda spoils the meat

I thought irradiated was the wave of the future.

160 posted on 02/24/2007 8:00:26 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Bob Mc

You can get a lahti 20mm anti-tank cannon, but you have to jump through the BATF hoops and pay through the nose for it.

But for regular old cannons, people have owned them as private citizens ever since the country was founded.


161 posted on 02/24/2007 8:00:56 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: flashbunny
"Why give people crap when they've selected what many think is the best rifle for the job?"

I've always thought, that people who criticize others on the type of firearm they own or use, are at best, elitist snobs, and at worst, fearful of their fellow citizens. Why else would they care?

I know several people who have firearms that I think are not good choices for their purpose. I would offer my advice if asked, but I would never condescend them.

162 posted on 02/24/2007 8:03:14 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: barb-tex
Well the .222 Rem, which was developed as a varmit caliber became the .223 which was chosen as the military standard of the

You are going to have some nut thinking these two rounds interchange, they do not. The 223 cal. was developed for the AR15 , because Remington developed the 222 and to use it would have required paying Remington. Of the two the 222 is the better, mainly because the bolt action rifles it is chambered for have a different rifling twist than the one chambered for the 223. But in custom long guns all things are possible.

163 posted on 02/24/2007 8:04:13 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: sit-rep
And this is Ted Nugent's post to the people coming down on Zumbo at Nugents Blog...

...if you don't accept his apology, get the hell away from my campfire..."

*********

A sad day it is...

I suspected that Nugent would regret getting mixed up in this, but I never figured the damage would be self-inflicted. Zumbo is now the equivalent of a leper to many gun enthusiasts, and Ted seems eager to walk alongside him, hollering out "Unclean!! Unclean!!".

Stay away from your campfire, Ted? Nooooo problem.

164 posted on 02/24/2007 8:04:25 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Spirochete
Honestly, I don't know. I "borrowed" the image from AR15.com.
165 posted on 02/24/2007 8:04:51 PM PST by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: holymoly; Melas
I'll part company with you on "assault weapon" versus "assault rifle".

"Gewehr" is more general than "rifle" - it comes from the verb "wehren" to resist or fight, and is thus closer to the general term "weapon" than the term for a specific weapon. A gun is a "Schießgewehr" - a "shooting weapon". A rifle in German is a "Büchse", as opposed to a "Schrotflinte" which is a shotgun (the name must be rather an old one as it appears to have originated when they still had flints!)

(you never know when 10 years of German (in jr high, high school, and college) is going to turn out useful. Any native speakers/shooters welcome to tell me where & if I've gone wrong . . .)

166 posted on 02/24/2007 8:07:12 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Eagles6
Mr. Zumbo and msnbc seem to be under the delusion, as many of the unwashed masses are, that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting.

No one seems to ask the question: Isn't it odd (if the 2nd Amendment is about hunting) that the Bill of Rights would have a clause about a sport? And if so, then why did it single out hunting and not mention other sports? Obviously, the 2nd Amendment is about a political right and it has nothing to do with somehow protecting a sport. The idea that the Bill of Rights was written in part to recognize sports is absurd.

167 posted on 02/24/2007 8:07:19 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: flashbunny
20mm? Hmmm. That's more like a really big gun.

I'm thinking, a piece that is on wheels pulled behind a truck, capable of a 20 mile range, with explosive rounds.

168 posted on 02/24/2007 8:07:22 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: U S Army EOD
I think the use of nukes would be more appropriate.

Nukes are expensive overkill for prairie dogs. I reserve mine for spiders.

169 posted on 02/24/2007 8:10:54 PM PST by sphinx
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To: therut

You’re right, I don’t the difference between a 223 and a 22 caliber – actually, I’ve never hear of a 223.

My comment was meant to make a distinction between “hunting” and general firepower. When I hunt I always select what I consider to be appropriate – I’ve never hunted ground hogs, but I doubt that I select a high-powered assault weapon for that.

The original reason for this discussion was that a renowned sportsman didn’t think using assault weapons to hunt prairie dogs was appropriate. I agree with him.


170 posted on 02/24/2007 8:11:16 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Mini-14

At least Private Pyle was a Marine!


171 posted on 02/24/2007 8:11:27 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The modern infantry issue assault rifle, is hardly spray and pray. It's highly accurate selective fire weapon. Selective in this case typicaly being burst or semi-auto. Automatic selective fire weapons as you indicated weren't as effective as hoped.


172 posted on 02/24/2007 8:12:45 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: freeplancer
Let's say the NRA is "extreme" for arguments sake. I like having an extreme element to balance out the leftist extremists.

Roger that. Can't give an inch to the grabber crowd. We've learned that lesson already.

LBT
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173 posted on 02/24/2007 8:12:58 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (In the end, it's gonna come down to the guns.)
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To: billorites

I figure it's extremely unlikely you've been a sleeper troll for the last nine years.

Does this mean you aren't pleased with some NRA and Republican decisions / tactics?


174 posted on 02/24/2007 8:13:58 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: Bob Mc

Well explosive rounds are another problem - iirc there is a $200 destructive device 'tax' for everything that goes 'boom' outside a barrel.

Not sure if there is anything that outright bans modern artillery, but they would be over the .50 caliber limit and not a shotgun - therefore subject to more regulations.

Been a long time since I;ve read about cannon ownership but I believe old style cannons are allowed due to them being black powder devices.


175 posted on 02/24/2007 8:16:05 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: Dale 1

No one really "hunts" prairie dogs. They are not even good eating. We shoot them because they are rodent pests (like rats), damaging to property, prolific like rabbits, and are excellent target practice. So it is not unusual at all, that they are killed with a very large range of calibers and types of firearms. Who knows, maybe even dynamite.


176 posted on 02/24/2007 8:16:16 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, a guy named Petzal at Field and Stream did the same thing in 1993, and got away with it (at least until today---it appears the back-blast from Zumbo has recalled him to the active memory of the "black guns" community, and a similar ****storm is going on at HIS blog.

Belated, but well deserved.

Wow. I'll bet everyone who has typed out a Zumbo-ism is now cursing Al Gore for inventing this "Internet" thing. ;-)

177 posted on 02/24/2007 8:18:11 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: xsrdx
...he publicly criticized the use of military-style assault rifles
by hunters, especially those gunning for prairie dogs.


It's deja vu all over again.

It feels like Jocelyn Elders and the Bill Clinton years all over again.
As in "let's use safer bullets".
As if the varmits care about whether they are terminated by
traditional varmit rifles or adapted modern arms.
178 posted on 02/24/2007 8:19:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: flashbunny

Yes, I've ready stories about these "cannon shoots". Sounds like fun.


179 posted on 02/24/2007 8:19:14 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: AnAmericanMother
Well, crap. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Everything I've read over the years has stated that "Sturmgewehr" translates literally as "Storm rifle".

Using Bablefish to translate "weapon" from English to German results in "Waffe".

It translates "wehren" as "resist".

And it translates "gewehr" as "rifle".

Not definitive, I know. Maybe we need someone fluent in German. ;)

180 posted on 02/24/2007 8:19:23 PM PST by holymoly (Molon Labe)
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To: Dale 1

Get lost.


181 posted on 02/24/2007 8:20:45 PM PST by Godebert
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To: digger48

This statement is the "journalist's" effort to represent the gun culture to the masses. I use the term "journalist" advisedly.


182 posted on 02/24/2007 8:21:53 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Dale 1

Educate yourself. These other fine people have given you hints about the truth. Or do you wish to be blind to the truth.


183 posted on 02/24/2007 8:21:57 PM PST by WVNight (We havn't played Cowboys and Muslims yet....)
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To: gotribe

Just a thought: a simple bolt-action Enfield MkIII 2a in .308 is more than sufficient for term limits enforcement. You can bust milk jugs at 400 yards even with the crappy stock iron sights. All it takes is a little practice.


184 posted on 02/24/2007 8:22:11 PM PST by Noumenon (The Koran is the Mein Kampf of a religion that has always aimed to eliminate the others - O. Fallaci)
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To: Bob Mc

Okay! Enjoy.


185 posted on 02/24/2007 8:22:23 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: tarheelswamprat
My point is, don't worry over his lost "career". The left will take good care of him now - he is far too valuable and useful to them to let this opportunity pass.

Probably. We will be treated to a lot of "sportsmen" who will say that no one needs an "assault weapon," no one needs a "sniper rifle," no one needs a .50 caliber rifle, no one needs a .30 caliber rifle, no one needs a .223 rifle, no one needs a bolt-action rifle, no one needs a handgun, no one needs a shotgun that sells for less than $5,000... The Fudds will eat it up, even though their shotguns will be up for confiscation.

186 posted on 02/24/2007 8:22:45 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Dale 1
"I doubt that I select a high-powered assault weapon for that."

What you don't seem to know is that what you are referring to as "assault weapons" typically use much LOWER POWERED cartridges that commonly used in hunting rifles.

I'll see if I can find some relative pics.

187 posted on 02/24/2007 8:25:17 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: Jonah Hex

If that's your collection, I humbly submit that you consider a sport-utility rifle chambered in .308 (or two or three). And one or more scoped, accurized bolt rifles in that caliber, if not greater.


188 posted on 02/24/2007 8:25:45 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: T-Bird45
You don't have to see "overthrow the government" in the second amendment.
As long as you can see "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
The rest will take care of itself!
Bozos like Booth, Oswald, Hinckley, and others figured it out. You use the arms to attack the human leadership element of the government. Shooting at the monuments accomplishes little. It's perfectly fine if you don't understand how having the right to bear arms protects you from tyranny. It only takes a few people to figure it out for it to be effective. Do the math with me. One president and a hand full of department heads plus nine supreme court justices plus 100 senators plus 435 representatives is still far less than 300 million potentially disgruntled citizens with the right to be packing heat.
Have you ever wondered why disarming the general public is ALWAYS a priority of tyrants? Think about it! Eventually it will come to you. If you still don't get how the second amendment enables us to "overthrow the government" I think I can break it down even more simply, but spare me the work and just think....politicians run government....politicians ain't bulletproof....guns can fire bullets....guns are often referred to as arms....lots of armed people are often referred to as an army....If the peoples army can kill the leading politicians then the governments army usually switches sides and joins the people to form one big happy winning team....and thus begins the battle to see who will be the new boss. In french it is called "coup d'etat" some people call it revolution but, regardless of what you call it, it helps to have arms to get the job done.
189 posted on 02/24/2007 8:26:31 PM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
A very slanted article, that misses the whole reason for the anger against Zumbo.

I'm shocked, shocked that this could possibly be the case, given that this is the WP.

190 posted on 02/24/2007 8:27:27 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: xsrdx
Ted Nugent has used his message boards to get Zumbo's apology out. You can read both Nuge and Zumbo's comments here:

The Apology
191 posted on 02/24/2007 8:28:35 PM PST by DesScorp (.)
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To: Cruz; Mini-14
This is a grand "Spotlight the Cockroach" moment my friends. Use it wisely & frwd motion will be ours. Thank you all for your input, now let us UPGRADE on, shall we!"

After reading Zumbo's 3rd apology and Nuge's comments, I believe his suggestion above is the wisest way to handle this. As I have said previously in this post, I believe there is a strong possibility of Zumbo being recruited to work for the anti-gun forces. Now that he is on record as supporting the proper meaning of the Second Amendment, it would be good tactics to "forgive" him and keep him ostensibly on "our side". Whether he truly means it or not is secondary to the benefits of prempting that possibility.

I'd like to add, I'm surprised and extremely gratified to see this positively Machiavellian streak in Nuge... /grin

192 posted on 02/24/2007 8:29:49 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: Bob Mc
"Somewhere along the line we lost our rights to bear whatever arms we need to overthrow our government."

I think that "Right" came into question back in 61 when a bunch of Democrats down in South Carolina thought it would be a good idea to fire on Fort Sumpter.

193 posted on 02/24/2007 8:33:17 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DJ Taylor

Yep.


194 posted on 02/24/2007 8:34:43 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: sit-rep

Yep, count me disappointed.


195 posted on 02/24/2007 8:36:30 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: holymoly

I've always thought that Gewehr translated to rifle. The German army from the 1870's through WW1 has designated their infantry rifles with models such as Infantry Gewehr Model 71, Gewehr Model 88, and of course the famous Gewehr 98.


196 posted on 02/24/2007 8:36:53 PM PST by Godebert
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To: from occupied ga
"In 1968 the Kongrss banned "destructive devices" including anything over .5 cal"

Destructive devices are not "banned" under Federal law. They only require registration and a $200.00 transfer or "making" tax.

197 posted on 02/24/2007 8:36:55 PM PST by bruoz
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To: xsrdx
"As hunters, we don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them. . . . I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles."

Funny, I alway thought of mine as anti-terrorist rifles.

LBT
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198 posted on 02/24/2007 8:38:52 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (In the end, it's gonna come down to the guns.)
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To: Noumenon

Makes sense. The old "who wants to be first" threat.


199 posted on 02/24/2007 8:38:52 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: T-Bird45

Is the intent of the 2nd to secure a free state from outsiders or from insiders? I really don't know, but always thought it was the latter.


200 posted on 02/24/2007 8:40:47 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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