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Immigration debate acquires an Irish brogue
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | February 28, 2007 | Susan Ferriss (A.P)

Posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:23 AM PST by Graybeard58

SAN FRANCISCO In a cozy room above a Russian market and a Shanghai-style restaurant, an Irish nanny gently rocked an American baby.

When the nanny reveals that she hails from the Emerald Isle, she said, American citizens are usually warm and welcoming and many speak proudly of their own Irish heritage.

They don't suspect her secret. They'd never imagine that the San Francisco nanny feels a special bond with millions of others, most from Latin America or Asia, who are illegal immigrants just as she is.

"The Irish are a bit luckier. We speak English, and we tend to get the better jobs," said the $17-an-hour, full-time nanny. She requested anonymity because she feared she and her 8-year-old son could be located and deported.

Next month, in what some call a critical turning point for their cause, the nanny and more than 150 other undocumented Irish and supporters from California will travel to Washington, D.C., to join a rally on March 7 outside Congress.

Donning "Legalize the Irish" T-shirts, they are expected to join thousands to lobby Congress for an increase in work-based immigrant visas and enactment of a program for undocumented workers to earn legal status.

They have powerful allies on Capitol Hill, and they hope to woo more.

Once more numerous, undocumented Irish immigrants are today estimated at about 50,000 nationwide, a number that pales in comparison to Latin Americans, Chinese or Indians, but could be matched, for instance, by undocumented Polish immigrants.

A decline in Irish immigration in recent years is attributed to Ireland's unprecedented economic boom, the so-called "Celtic Tiger."

The European Union has invested billions in grants to develop infrastructure, and the Irish embrace of the high-tech industry is fueling economic growth.

But some Irish arrived in America on tourist visas before the emergence of the Celtic Tiger, staying because they found plenty of work here. Also flocking to the United States are those from less-prosperous Northern Ireland.

In 2005, out of a total of more than 1.1 million people who were granted legal residency, only 2,088 were Irish. Most were married to U.S. citizens or legal residents.

In a separate lottery competition that reserves 50,000 slots a year for people from around the world, only 160 slots were won by Irish in 2006.


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1 posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:24 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

The Irish just want a better life and to assimilate into our society.


2 posted on 02/28/2007 11:16:52 AM PST by gjones77
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To: Graybeard58

Let the Irish in, Kick the Mexicans out !


3 posted on 02/28/2007 11:16:57 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Graybeard58
They don't suspect her secret. They'd never imagine that the San Francisco nanny feels a special bond with millions of others, most from Latin America or Asia, who are illegal immigrants just as she is.

I guess I'm just a bigot, but comparing a relative handful to the southern influx/invasion seems to me absurd.
4 posted on 02/28/2007 11:22:42 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: Graybeard58; Irish_Thatcherite
In 2005, out of a total of more than 1.1 million people who were granted legal residency, only 2,088 were Irish.

This is sad.

5 posted on 02/28/2007 11:23:10 AM PST by jla
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To: kinoxi

Relative quantities isn't the problem, illegally staying/working in the US is.


6 posted on 02/28/2007 11:24:55 AM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

I tend to think that quantity is the main problem.


7 posted on 02/28/2007 11:31:15 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: Graybeard58; jla; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; ...
undocumented Irish immigrants are today estimated at about 50,000 nationwide

Funny that Bertie Ahern wants Bush to grant an amnesty to Fine Gael voters.....

Ireland Ping!

8 posted on 02/28/2007 11:33:47 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: kinoxi

I've heard that about half of the illegal aliens are from Hispanic countries. Most people don't realize how many illegals here are from Europe, Canada, Australia, Asian countries, etc.


9 posted on 02/28/2007 11:35:48 AM PST by Kathy in Calif
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To: kinoxi

I agree that aggregate quantity is a problem, but not relative quantities. One could say that there are less than 0.1% of illegals who drive a AMC Gremlins. Should we therefore not worry about illegals who drive AMC Gremlins? If we want to reduce the huge aggregate number of illegals, we shouldn't ignore small subsets which make up the whole.


10 posted on 02/28/2007 11:36:02 AM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: staytrue

They are still illegal.


11 posted on 02/28/2007 11:36:28 AM PST by It's me
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

He needs to grant immediate citizenship to Gráinne Seoige.


12 posted on 02/28/2007 11:37:18 AM PST by jla
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To: Graybeard58
Control the borders. Illegal aliens need the application of current laws, regardless of where they come from.
13 posted on 02/28/2007 11:38:00 AM PST by Candor7
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks
"Relative quantities isn't the problem, illegally staying/working in the US is."

They're both problems.

However, 'relative quantities' is half of the reason it is even being discussed.
The other reason is that our southern enemies think they're getting ancient lands back and will not assimilate under present circumstances.

14 posted on 02/28/2007 11:39:07 AM PST by norton
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To: Kathy in Calif

Depends on what part of the country you live in. On the east coast I've met quite a few people here illegally from every continent except antarctica.


15 posted on 02/28/2007 11:39:39 AM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: jla

Bertie will go along with that, seeing as she's Mayo, she might just vote for Enda Kenny....

;)


16 posted on 02/28/2007 11:40:06 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Kathy in Calif

The lack of desire to assimilate into our society coupled with the sheer numbers is the main problem with the southern influx in my humble opinion. Do european or asian illegals refuse to learn the language in such numbers? The answer is no. The logical question is why?


17 posted on 02/28/2007 11:41:28 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: Kathy in Calif

Me thinks you've been "hearing" from a tainted source.

It's estimated that about 80-81% are from south of the border.....56-57% from Mexico, 22-24% from other Latino countries.


18 posted on 02/28/2007 11:45:05 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Well, I'll do my part and sponsor her. If she needs a place to stay until she gets on her feet I guess I can be talked in to having her at my house.
19 posted on 02/28/2007 11:45:35 AM PST by jla
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To: staytrue
I'm an Irishman, I don't expect Irish illegals to be treated any differently from other illegals.

You must remember there was an agenda behind the mass exodus of my countrymen post independence - De Valera and his Fianna Fail successors did what Vincente Fox is doing now with Mexico - driving political opponents out of Ireland.

20 posted on 02/28/2007 11:46:32 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: kinoxi

I think the reasons illegals from Mexico and S. America don't learn English are a) they have no intention of remaining here -- they want to earn some money and then go back home; and b) they don't need to learn English to get by because it's to the point where almost everything is bilingual. There are Spanish radio and TV stations, food labels, and on and on.

As far as assimilation of others, I think Asians want to remain here and fit in, and Europeans don't have to do much to assimilate. Most of the time we don't even know they weren't born here until we speak to them.


21 posted on 02/28/2007 11:46:36 AM PST by Kathy in Calif
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To: jla

What could possibly twist your arm? ;)


22 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:21 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

By the way, are you familar with Lydon's guesthouse in Cong? A Dublin gal was telling me about it last night. She recommended it if I am in Mayo.


23 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:22 AM PST by jla
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To: Graybeard58

Illegals are illegals. Irish or Mexican, they're illegal.


24 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:47 AM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

I live in Newport Beach, CA, and know tons of illegal Irish and Australian here.


25 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:56 AM PST by Kathy in Calif
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To: staytrue
Let the Irish in, Kick the Mexicans out !

So much for the "we're not prejudiced against Mexicans, we just want the laws enforced" crowd.

26 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:36 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: norton

Sad thing about that is, if it were to come down to a war with Mexico it would be over in about 4 days...


27 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:46 AM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: jla

Actually.. I'm not sure, I have never stayed in Cong, as it's only a 30 min drive from where I live.

Visited it plenty of times, though!


28 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:54 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: RockinRight

I hope there are no plans to invade Ireland... would hate to see the US get such a humiliating defeat! :-P


29 posted on 02/28/2007 11:51:38 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

I could make a rude, stereotypical comment, but won't! ;-)


30 posted on 02/28/2007 11:52:24 AM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: Graybeard58; gjones77; staytrue

An Illegal is an illegal is an illegal. Deport them all. No amnesty for law breakers.


31 posted on 02/28/2007 11:57:30 AM PST by NYCynic
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To: RockinRight
Damn.. I can't think which one that is!

BTW, Bertie Ahern is harbouring terrorists:

War!! :-P

32 posted on 02/28/2007 11:58:02 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
We speak English, and we tend to get the better jobs . . .

The Irish also don't use the ERs as their primary care physician, insist on government services in Gaelic, mooch off the taxpayer, harbor reconquistadora intentions or demand affirmative action hiring preferences. If the number of illegal Mexicans were somewhat comparable to the number of illegal Irish, the whole thing would be a non-issue.

Thems the facts, jack, not racism.

33 posted on 02/28/2007 12:07:06 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman
Check VDare for the Irish contribution to America

http://www.vdare.com/fulford/gangs.htm


Deport all 12M+ illegals, that includes roughly 6M Mexicans, 2M Salvadorians, 100K Russian, 50K Irish, 50K Polish, 50K Italians, etc. The law is the law!
34 posted on 02/28/2007 12:15:21 PM PST by NYCynic
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks
In response to post #10 I have to disagree. The flood is the immediate concern, the subsets are naturally taken care of later.
35 posted on 02/28/2007 12:29:23 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

I was just gonna say if we invaded right after the pubs closed...we'd be done and over with it in an hour. ;-)


36 posted on 02/28/2007 12:34:51 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: Graybeard58

I know that the term illegal immigrant is becoming politically incorrect; would Illegal Economic Refugees be better?


37 posted on 02/28/2007 12:34:59 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: kinoxi

Sounds like we are just speaking in different terms. To me it's all one big flood. I want the water from my basement pumped out. I don't care what part of the basement it is in or which broken pipe it came from. I'll deport all that water as I find it, all with the same pump, and not save some water for later based on what pipe it came from.


38 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:57 PM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: NYCynic
An Illegal is an illegal is an illegal. Deport them all. No amnesty for law breakers.

Yes, but first we should change our policies about who gets in legally. We are legally admitting a huge number of immigrants from third world countries, many of whom have little chance of being self-sufficient here due to lack of education and lack of English, and some of whom have allegiances to fundamentalist brands of Islam and other cultural traits incompatible with assimilation into civilized US society. And meanwhile, well-educated, English-speaking Irish, who are very much in demand by employers here, are only being admitted in tiny dribbles.

39 posted on 02/28/2007 12:41:04 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

I agree. The main influx of water would naturally be your first concern when attempting the repair though.


40 posted on 02/28/2007 12:43:21 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: RockinRight

Doesn't matter... all the pubs are closing down, with the smoking ban and ridiculous drink-driving laws!


41 posted on 02/28/2007 12:44:36 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Graybeard58

Ahh! The ones they left behind don't even drink Guinness! They drink swill like Miller Lite! What has the country come to?! I need a wee shot of Paddy to steady me nerves.

Francis, himself


42 posted on 02/28/2007 12:47:46 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: kinoxi

True, I would fix the biggest pipe in an effort to prevent new water from coming in.


43 posted on 02/28/2007 12:48:36 PM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: jla
In 2005, out of a total of more than 1.1 million people who were granted legal residency, only 2,088 were Irish.

Frankly, relative to population, this is a huge number of Irish. Irish are 7 million out of 7 billion or 1 in 1000. Apparentely, in 2005, they go 1 out of 500 green cards.

44 posted on 02/28/2007 12:53:26 PM PST by staytrue
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks
As would I. I think we agree mostly.
:)
45 posted on 02/28/2007 12:53:28 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Kathy in Calif
Most people don't realize how many illegals here are from Europe, Canada, Australia, Asian countries, etc.

Most people don't care how many illegals here are from Europe, Canada, Australia, Asian countries, etc.

46 posted on 02/28/2007 12:54:39 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Frank Sheed

People are staying at home - why bother when you can't smoke and can't even drive home after 3 pints?


47 posted on 02/28/2007 12:55:39 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: norton
southern enemies think they're getting ancient lands back

I did not realize 150 years ago was considered ancient.

48 posted on 02/28/2007 12:56:27 PM PST by staytrue
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To: GovernmentShrinker
well-educated, English-speaking Irish, who are very much in demand by employers here

Doing the work americans won't do.

49 posted on 02/28/2007 1:00:27 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Vigilanteman
The Irish also don't use the ERs as their primary care physician

You have no idea about that. When an illegal irish goes to the ER, you probably think they are a citizen, while when a hispanic citizen goes, you probably think they are illegal.

50 posted on 02/28/2007 1:02:43 PM PST by staytrue
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