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Pastor's paddle leads to assault charge
KATU 2 - Portland, OR ^
| Mar 1, 2007 at 8:27 AM PST
| Anita Kissee and KATU Web Staff
Posted on 03/02/2007 8:00:12 AM PST by Sopater
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even though in the Bible it says 'spare the rod, spoil the child,' I still feel spanking your children is not an appropriate measure, there's other means you can take.
In other words, the Bible is wrong? Well, that's your opinion.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:00:16 AM PST
by
Sopater
To: Sopater
sometimes you just have to get their attention.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:02:49 AM PST
by
Vaquero
("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
To: Vaquero
sometimes you just have to get their attention.
If you are swift, consistent, and precede it with a verbal warning, you only have to do it a few times.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:07:44 AM PST
by
Sopater
(Creatio Ex Nihilo)
To: Sopater
The bible also says that we must do so in love, and when the "spanking" goes beyond a point then it is no longer protected under the First Amendment. P.S. if anyone is going to challenge me on this kindly cite a legal precedent.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:13:18 AM PST
by
street_lawyer
(Conservative Defender of the Faith)
To: Sopater
Bible has some other choice pieces of advice that are not what I called enlightened either.
What does it teach a child that their parent needs to use a hard object to beat them? Physical violence of such nature against children are the mark of a weak person.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:14:33 AM PST
by
misterrob
(Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
To: Vaquero
sometimes you just have to get their attention. I agree. But you don't have to bruise or otherwise create visible marks on a child to get its attention.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:22:12 AM PST
by
SaveTheChief
(Chief Illiniwek (1926-2007))
To: misterrob
What does it teach a child that their parent needs to use a hard object to beat them?
that they didn't learn their lesson the first time?
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:23:14 AM PST
by
absolootezer0
(stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
To: absolootezer0
Children are not animals....
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:25:19 AM PST
by
misterrob
(Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
To: misterrob
Physical violence of such nature against children are the mark of a weak person.
Proverbs 23:13-14
(13) Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die.
(14) You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.
Spanking a child's bottom is not physical violence. For me, it takes a great deal more strength to carry through with discipline in the form of a spanking rather than consistenly telling a child to "stop that or else...", which get's no results. Spanking is not necessarily to be done as the sole form of punishment, but the threat of a quick effective consequence is key for getting a child to readily obey a parent. The real temptation is to NOT spank or carry through with a punishment that we really don't want to inflict on our children.
Proverbs 13:24
(24) He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:25:53 AM PST
by
Sopater
(Creatio Ex Nihilo)
To: Sopater
welts and bruising on the buttocks,
That is going too far.
To: misterrob
He's a real tough guy, isn't he now? Let's see how tough he is after a few days in jail. I'd say something needed to be done to catch HIS attention, Being a coward as child-beaters are*, he probably won't do it again.
*They would never raise a hand to a woman or a child if they thought they would get the snot beaten out of them in return.
To: Sopater
Children have become so much more well behaved and respectful since spanking went out of favor. /s
To: street_lawyer
legal eh?
always the same lawyer crap.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:28:07 AM PST
by
Vaquero
("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
To: SaveTheChief
you don't have to bruise or otherwise create visible marks on a child to get its attention.
This I agree with. Effective spanking doesn't have to leave long lasting physical marks on a child.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:28:33 AM PST
by
Sopater
(Creatio Ex Nihilo)
To: taxcontrol
My dad used to beat my ass black and blue. There's a better way to do it and I admire the heck out of parents who manage to raise their kids without it. But it's not worthy of an arrest and police record.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:28:54 AM PST
by
Rb ver. 2.0
(A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
To: misterrob
Gosh what a warm and fuzzy sentiment. And it is because this father loves his kids enough to discipline them that they won't grow up to be animals. Maybe, unless Children, Adult, and Family Services gets involved and yanks his kids away and then they can go into the "system" and end up little hoodlums that we can incarcerate later in life.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:29:33 AM PST
by
rednesss
To: taxcontrol
That is going too far.
If it's true, agreed.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:29:43 AM PST
by
Sopater
(Creatio Ex Nihilo)
To: Vaquero
You are missing the point...at what point does spanking become abuse?
To some on this thread, at no point. I pity their children.
To: ContemptofCourt
agreed.....spanking is spanking until it becomes more....I do agree.
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:31:16 AM PST
by
Vaquero
("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
To: Bob Buchholz
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posted on
03/02/2007 8:31:40 AM PST
by
BooBoo1000
(Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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